I was standing alongside the roadway holding signs for Cheryl Crist this morning, and I was blown away by the exhaust fumes. It was terrible. Something has to be done to regulate emissions, because it's just not right to have to breathe air like that. This pollution is harmful. I care about my health and the health of others and the environment. Something has to be done.
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Serious Action Urged on Climate Disruption
It would be better if people would start using the term 'Climate Disruption' instead of 'Global Warming.' Because although the overall global temps are increasing, as the unseasonably cool and damp late spring here in the NW attests to, the result of anthropogenic introduction of massive quantities of heat and energy into the atmosphere is not necessarily a consistent local warming phenomenon.
Maybe all the cool air here in the Puget Sound is the result of increased mixing with arctic air. If so, I am curious to know what the conditions are in the far Northern and Southern regions of the globe...
Urgent action is needed. For the sake of so many endangered species, for the sake of so many species already lost to extinction, for the sake of my lungs(!) - we need to do something to change the way we operate on a daily basis.
There is no reason why 80% of cars on the road in the USA are not plug-in hybrids. These can typically travel 25 miles without need for combustion motoring - enough for most peoples' regular daily needs. That's where we should be right now, 80% plug-in electric hybrids. The fact that we aren't is a clear signal of governmental failure - and quite possibly corruption as well, in the form of collusion with the automobile and petroleum industries.
Anyway, I wanted to pass on this article from the NYT.
Have a good day. And I wish a lungful of clean air to you!
- bert
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/world/11climate.html
June 11, 2008 Strong Action Urged to Curb Warming By ANDREW C. REVKIN
The scientific academies of 13 countries on Tuesday urged the world to act more forcefully to limit the threat posed by human-driven global warming.
In a joint statement, the academies of the Group of 8 industrialized countries — Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States — and of Brazil, China, India, Mexico and South Africa called on the industrialized countries to lead a “transition to a low-carbon society” and aggressively move to limit impacts from changes in climate that are already under way and impossible to stop.
The statement, posted by the National Academy of Sciences in the United States, urged the Group of 8 countries to move beyond last year’s pledge to consider halving global emissions of greenhouse gases by 2050 and “make maximum efforts” to reach this target.
The academies recommended speeding the adoption of new energy technologies and encouraging changes in behavior that curb energy use and greenhouse-gas emissions. They also urged investing more to improve solar and nuclear energy technologies and in projects to capture and permanently store carbon dioxide produced by power plants. The academies also said it was necessary to study artificial “geoengineering” methods for stabilizing climate, as well as large-scale reforestation.
What? Seriously!?
JT is the most abusive poster? Well first of all, I'm glad someone else took my crown of thorns from me and second, I wholeheartedly disagree. But then, you'd expect nothing less from me huh?
It's blatantly clear that if you don't agree with those who don't eat meat, don't like guns, don't want to paint the world green, don't believe in global warming, and so much more, you're considered the most abusive blogger(s) here. You're talked down to, bullied, disemvoweled and deleted without any notice or reason why. You're not allowed to post anything that isn't hyperlocal with hyperlocal being defined by somebody elses opinion. We who don't share in your opinions or always agree with your statements just know thats the way it is.
Funny though, us supposedly abusive bloggers never call those of you who disagree with our statements or opinions abusive bloggers. Nor do we demand apologies for every statement you make about us.
Bullying people to see and agree with your stances never works.
rainy gray,
I would agree that sometimes I can be snarky, or sarcastic, but I really don't think it raises to the level of abusive.
My commenting is at a very low level any more, but as far as content, I do post an article or two every month. I don't think you are a high content person either, or have I missed something?
JPO, thanks for watching my six.
enpen, still trying to be a good boy.
Gug, you don't make me want to puke, but your arrogance does sometimes. Don't personalize things, I thought you were one of those with some thicker skin. If JPO and Norm like you, you can't be all bad ;-)
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Well enpen,
for me to have any concerns about marginalization here on Olyblog would mean I believed that I derived any power or status from the majority of this group, I don't believe that for a second, nor do I seek it.
As for my co-workers, judge them on their behavior/comments, not mine. Just as you would expect others to judge you on yours alone.
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"RITALIN, so much easier than parenting"
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Being a Northwetter from age 6
this weather, although record setting is not unheard of. June is traditionally a cool, rainy month. This year it's just more so. This is not to diss climate change and it's threat to our species, (and many other higher life forms) but to blame this anomaly on higher greenhouse gas levels is probably not accurate.
On a personal note I like this weather. As a fair skinned man of Northern European descent (Deutsch) who works outside, I do not miss the sun burn and the risk of melanoma that accompanies exposure to an unshielded thermonuclear furnace.
It's a memory kind of sky...
How about Hydrogen?
Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...
Sustainable Living Magazine
All of a sudden,
Because Rob W. has an epiphany from his hanging out on a street corner, we are suddenly aware of and worried about vehicle emissions, and our children breathing them, unbelievable.
Not enough real or fabricated gloom and doom for you folks?
If nothing else, you Greeners provide a huge comic relief.
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This "logic" escapes me
Primitive or punitive?
Killing the Earth
The Earth considerately buried this concentrated Death
I don't see the name calling I'm
accused of. As far as my post above being abusive, it is far less so than many here making such accusations have done in the past, even recently. My post was kidding the faction here that are taking this post as seriously as they are. Seems the skin here on the blog is tissue paper thin. As for abusive types here, there probably is no one more abusive on Olyblog than Mike.
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You Can't Have It Both Ways
If you push regulating emissions, you'll be oppressing the lower income society. Most who drive older cars that are exhaust bombs are folks who can't afford the financial upkeep of what they have nor are they capable of buying something newer that would meet your opinion of health standards.
There's always those cute little paper medical masks. $2.00 a dozen. If they're good enough to prevent virus spreads to your lungs in hospitals, they're good enough to protect your lungs from those darn poor people who are poisoning you with their exhausts.
Of course the worst of the fumes
Not this old argument again
?
still trying to be a good boy.

Yes, snarky comments. Your paternalism is added to my lame list. Please feel free to use this resource to help build community. Or you can keep wasting our time and further marginalize yourself and your coworkers.
Edit: Speaking of bad fumes, you should pass this picture around the office:
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
There is no reason why 80%
There is no reason why 80% of cars on the road in the USA are not plug-in hybrids.
Are you sure about that?
Technology
why are you here?
The status I seek with OlyBlog: to be a participating member of the Olympia community.
What is your intent with this space?
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
No really, it's worse
Seattle Colder than Siberia
Second-colded year, only beat by 1917
Graphically, it's significant
Doom and Gloom
It is well-known that human activities are having seriously harmful effects on the planet. Our societies are full of violence. We pollute. We degrade. We cause species to go extinct and we don't change our harmful ways.
I am glad to see that you find entertainment here.
But I am personally offended by your statement that this is all fun and games. It's not. People are getting hurt. I am being genuine. It's serious. People are suffering because of the pollutive and destructive character of this society. And apparently it is funny to you.
I don't understand how you get along in your life taking pleasure from the suffering of others.
Open your heart and mind, John. Please learn to respect the truth of others.
primitive life
Primitive is relative. Primitive is is in the eye of the beholder.
But of course you have a point. The problem with our current consumption of fossil fuels is precisely that it is not sustainable. Petroleum companies are investing not in sustainable alternatives; they're investing in infrastructure to extract the last remaining (and difficult to access) reserves.
We're killing the Earth. That's primitive.
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
eh?
There is no conspiracy by big business to stop innovation...
Are you serious? Have you been living in a cave? The Mickey Mouse Protection Act comes to mind without a second of thought. Oil companies buying and shelving battery technology advances fall somewhere in that horizon. It's all good if you want to wax poetic about some dream tide raising all boats, but reality gets no beer goggles.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
A lot of your posts on these topics
We could certainly exempt people for financial reasons
So that problem is so easily dealt with that it becomes a non issue, other than ways to encourage them to ride share, use mass transit, etc. The vast majority of emmisions are from commercial and public enterprizes and citizens who are not so poor that they cannot maintain their vehicles, lawn mowers, fireplaces, etc. The mask is a good idea.
Now that I've solved the poor people problem, welcome aboard the Cleaner Air Train. That said, while I like the idea of cleaning things up as best we can, I'm not sure how we'd do it in Olympia. No idling vehicles, alternative truck routes, improved transit, bike paths, ... Anything else?
Please cite
This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
Look at California
The do (ro did when I was down there) exempt vehicles that were a certain age from emissions quality. These typically were the older cars that low income people could afford.
While it is great to push carpooling and mass transit, does this mean that only people who can afford cars of a certain type can quality should be driving while the poor and low income get more or less relegated to public transit only?
There needs to be a more equitable solution.
The buses, I believe should be running on Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) which IIRC do not put out toxice exhaust. Again going back to Kalifornia, the transit vehicles in San Diego used CNG, and the exhaust was safe to breath. It was actually nice stand near a transit vehicle tailpipe on the rare very cold mornings.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
80% are not hybrids
Value laden words in regards to weather bug me
rainy=bad. Sunny=good. Value judgments about the weather=Stupid. I'm tired of feeling odd about my affection for rain and clouds.
Anyway. I didn't say this June wasn't very unusual. All I said is from my experience June is not known for sunny skies and warm temps. Summer weather up here begins mid-july and runs through September. Yes it was record-breakingly wet and cold but... Oh never mind...
I didn't say that poor people should should ride transit
okay
Texaco Ovanic. As of September of last year ChevronTexaco filed a claim against ECD Ovonics attempting to take all of the copyrights outright.
Here's a good book about it all.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
You mean
Patents, not copyright I hope.
This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
my mind was too narrow
And I've been thinking a lot about copyrights. At any rate, ChevronTexaco is attempting to wrest all intellectual property rights from ECD Ovonics.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
thanks for the info
n/t
This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
Yah,
My income is too low to
Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...
Sustainable Living Magazine
I'll second Chia here
I can't afford my lifestyle and a car, so I ditched having a car. Enhancing mass transit, and taxing the population for it in an equitable manner would be the thing to do.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
From what I have observed JT
blatantly clear?
What is blatantly clear to me is I get tired of people complaining about a free service with which they can create just about anything hyperlocal they want and have it read by thousands of people every week. I would love for all of the hard-work-will-get-you-everywhere people on OlyBlog to chip in a little and do some work. That'd be awesome.
JT is still welcome to create a beat for OlyBlog. As are you, as is S6, and on and on and on and on. If this were a shooting range you'd be wasting shots on shadows.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
My mom loves me too...
As for arrogance, it's a hard row to hoe...
name calling
S lng ts bn gd t knw y
There are many ways to
Don't let it get to you Rob
Disemvoweled
Thanks Jim
I disemvowled myself to acknowledge
acknowledgement
Don't forget JT's hypocrite theme
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 195
Urgh
I think JT calls 'em as he sees 'em. It's ok to use blunt language when talking about Bush, or Ralph's Thriftway, or whatever pet topic is fashionable amongst the "progressive" crowd this week. But be as blunt about other stuff, well better watch out!
This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
yes
The misnomer that calling'em like you see'em is always an admirable trait...or even approaches truth. If I look through a Coke bottle and tell you what I see, how much bearing does that have on the world outside of that bottle?
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Who is to say
That looking through a coke bottle is not your prefered world view? Should you be penalized because you see the world through a coke bottle, and not say a pepsi bottle, or no bottle at all?
So you penalize people who do not see the world through the same eyes as you?
I thought diverse world views were encourged and accepted.
This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
I am to say
That's one of the few perks of being a docent.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
So
Censorship?
EDIT: Removed stuff that would be better said in private.
This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
I'll have a double vendetta with a twist of lemon please
We all know where we all stand don't we? Anyone feel like budging?.............Nope? Okay, so there we go. I'm with EG on this one.
I'm still going to chime in with my (as someone described) schoolmarm scolding now and agian. But I'd like to se all the resentments, including mine, take a holiday. Next time this argument pops up I'm just going to say "I love you" in the language of my choosing.
I like my
Vendetta on the rocks with a Guiness chaser.
This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
Vendetta up.
Censorship?
Yes we can censor. The chances of censoring a voice intent on helping build this project are minimal. The chances of censoring a voice that wastes our time increase in accordance with the amount of time wasted. Dealing with you as a member of this free community, for example, is a part time job in terms of the number of hours spent on issues that arise from you being you.
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"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
This argument has yet to be
until...
...fuel emissions are litigated like second-hand smoke, we have no hope in the US.
I wonder if a community could pass regulations that would go beyond EPA CAFE standards?
Oh come on!!!!
Stand next to a road and you get.... not farts of talcum power and wafts of lavender, you get the byproducts of burning petroleum in internal combustion engines.
If you care about your health don't stand next to a friggin arterial waving signs for a fringe candidate. (Sorry about the marginal candidate dig. I couldn't resist.) That, or buy all those drivers a zero emission vehicle. Or a bus pass. Or...
Children wait by the road for the bus...
Excellent Point!
Sustainable Living Magazine
Yeah Robert,
if you go to the farm yard you smell manure. Sorry Bert, you are too far out on this one.
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Where shall children wait for the school bus?
If You're That Concerned
you're always free to drive them to school yourself. Then there'd be far less buses on the road that use more gas than cars do and put out just as much exhaust as cars do. I've sat behind them waiting for kids to board or get off many times and if my windows are even cracked, the fumes are noxious.
Holy smokes (smog)
Brilliant solution
Got A Better More Feasible
Don't matter
The world ends tomorrow.
This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
More feasible than extra driving?
Didn't
Paul McCartney have Wings?
This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
I believe he had a chauffeur as well
The space shuttle would be worse.
Clean Air
It is reasonable to ask for clean air
But surely in all the years you have been on this earth you have figured out by now that cars have stinky exhaust pipes? And that standing by a major roadway will expose you to them?
I'm for finding alternative fuels, but acting shocked and surprised at exhaust fumes when standing by a road is like going to a porno shop and being shocked to see explicit images of sexual acts.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
what
Bert, I think it's a fine question
Of course
My comfortable, cynical, fatalistic way is a single 5hp outboard engine that will run 1.5 hours on a single gallon of gas at cruising speed.
Perhpas Olympia should just ban internal combustion engines. Would keep those pesky warmonger cargo ships out too.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
Lead, follow, or
No car
and a carbon footprint of less than four metric tons.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
So you agree with Rod that
Never said I didnt'
I simply was surprised it took standing alongside a road to notice exhaust fumes.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
noticing exhaust fumes
Another way to reduce emissions would be to lower speed limits and enforce them. I am amazed at how regularly and routinely people speed - even the police!
Or bicyclists
going down Harrison hill for one.
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Try
lighter cars...
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
cough cough
I've done a lot of hitch hiking and i know exactly what you mean. at least it's been cold out. nothing is worse than sucking down semi exhaust in kansas in 110 degree heat for hours on end.
standing on the side of the road is the pits.
Seconded
It shouldn't be harming my health to ride a bike.
Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...
Sustainable Living Magazine
Being a bike rider myself and avid hiker,
there is likely more risk to your body by riding the bike than anything you are breathing in. Some of that risk it due to some of the crappiest drivers in the nation drive here, but also the bicyclists frequently are their own worst enemy with their riding behavior.
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I think they're talking about reducing
I need to get a crystal ball like yours Gug,
you have been able to tell us what others are thinking in the past as well as in this thread, bravo.
Never the less, if you are correct, they can reduce their risk more if they quit riding the bike. I think it's less about their health or their risk, and more about their politics. Of course, my crystal ball isn't as in tune as yours. ;-)
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Holy smokes
Ironing stick?
I use an ironing board sometimes though. :-p
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.
That was for JT, not you
I know who it was for
But I couldn't resist a joke.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.