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Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 11:09pm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPnOFv2_E10

Straight from the man's mouth, no interpretation required.

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Richardson doesn't get it!

Richardson is probably the most pro-gun of the democrats.  Well more correctly he is likely the least anti-gun of the demos.

But Bill doesn’t get it.  Bill says in his vid, “I’m a hunter”.  Well, the second amendment isn’t about hunting. On the other hand, Huckabee gets it.  Below is an excerpt from his website I link to on another thread.

*     “The Second Amendment is primarily about tyranny and self-defense, not hunting.        The Founding Fathers wanted us to be able to defend ourselves from our own government, if need be, and from all threats to our lives and property.”

   

I'm not convinced Huckabee is the right guy for President, but he does understand this one issue.

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I'm guessing you want to discuss today, JT?

nt

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See,

you didn't need to make that post, did you?  This is what I was writing about yesterday, you just can't let stuff go.  

If you think responding like you do encourages dialogue, you're incorrect. 

 

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It's so easy to get enraged here.

And the way out is to try not to respond, or to respond cordially in a kind of sideways communication that keeps our humanity in sight. 

For example, Norm and I can get along reasonably well, though we agree on almost nothing as long as he has a cold.  (Keep on sniffling, Norm.) 

So, an attempt to de-escalate the disagreements should always be a considered option.

In that sense, no matter how AL might have intended his message to you, you could take it face value and say, sure, why not? Just turn sideways and let any provocation in the message go right by you. 

I try to follow my own advice in this regard and am sometimes successful.  Always helps me when the cooler heads here demonstrate their "play the ball, not the man" message by calling me a jerk.  It's a circular argument and the only solution I see is that we each individually seek ways to communicate without being jerks or calling each other jerks. 

Some folks like emoticons to manage this.  Insert the happy, handshake style emoticon of your choice in this area:   _________


 

 

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JT...

You need to drop the mindreading act.  You are not good at it.

I asked a question to know whether or not you were encouraging discussion. After yesterday's events, it was a very fair question. 

You are too busy trying to live inside my head and direct my motives.

YOU let it go.

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Larry

How about you just nicely explain what your question was going for. Really it seemed snippy and very passive-agressive. Do you think maybe you could have worded it differently to avoid that? OR just not said anything and responded to the thread instead of a past thread? You are an ok guy, but you bring this upon yourself.
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More than happy to explain, Norm

Let's take the 36 hour history of what really happened.

JT posted issues about Huckabee.  I posted a response to Huckabee's issues one by one - I agreed with one and disagreed with four.  You can see my take on the blog that I started after JT had Rob wipe his clean.

After my post, JT took me to task (I'm still not sure why, as I was REALLY speaking to Huckabee and not JT), stipulating that I wasn't minding my "Ps and Qs" as I had mentioned on the "Where The Boys Are" blog.  Frankly, I was dumbfounded at JT's response.  I tried to respond in kind - half in jest - and chaos reigned in and next we are deleting comments on blogs (something rather rare on Olyblog).

Fast forward to this morning.  I start a blog on Bill Richardson.  JT responds.  You can see my question above.  Direct, to the point.  Granted, I didn't color it up with chatting phrases, just asked a plain simple question if JT's response was discussable. Rather than assume that JT wanted to discuss the issue, and have another episode of yesterday, I asked my question.  Assuming got me in trouble yesterday morning.

I'll say one more time, when people quit trying to read minds (remember when I defended your outburst on a thread saying that it was uncalled for that anyone claim you need professional help?) and just ask direct questions, we'll all be better off.  I recall parts of our community contract talking about civility and refraining from sarcasm.  I'm attempting to do exactly that.

So, in finito, I don't see me "bringing anything upon myself".  Unfortunately, people are trying to read something into my posts that I'm not saying.

Ask more questions - is my motto.

By the way - thanks for asking.

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It seems after Larry

explanation, if he was being honest, I likely over reacted to his question today.  

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Thank you, JT

Nothing more be said

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Hopelessly exploited wedge issue

2nd amendment says it all. We have the right to bear arms.  Like free speech, there are limitations.  Free speech does not extend to slander, hate speech and some others.  Right to bear arms is limited for felons and some others.

The day may come when people don't need to claim to be hunters to get elected.  It's like kissing babies on the campaign trail, get a shot of me in my safety orange with my shotgun, oh and stand back, we are hunting with the great white hunter Dick Cheney.  

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I agree, Mike

"Guns" is becoming the divisive issue.  Abortion, Immigration and Homosexual Marriage are passe.

I'd welcome a Constitutional Admendment discussion after the next election, in terms of the 2nd Amendment.  I think it's language is antiquated, as is its application.

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I would not welcome an amendment to the Constitution

to clarify the 2nd.  I like the constitution and especially the bill of rights and the 14th amendment.  Any discussion about amending the constitution to clarify gun rights plays into all the fears that many of us about violations of our constitutionally protected rights.

I think like free speech, the questions should all be decided by the Courts, interpreting the constitutional meaning of attempts to infringe these rights.  Local rules or federal rules that in some way limit the right to bear arms should proceed up to the SC.  

I would much prefer to have the public discussion focused on the violations of fourth and fifth amendment rights that have been occurring now for several years.  All of the rights are important.

well, maybe not the 7th amendment rights -

 

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

We can cordially agree to disagree on this. 

 

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My only reply is to illustrate...

I get the idea that Mike isn't seeking a response - rather just stating opinion - when he says "we can agree to disagree", thus I'm only posting this as a great example of communication.  If I understand Mike correctly, he is saying "you go your way, I'll go mine and I'm not seeking your opinion".

Please correct me if I'm wrong, Mike.

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Yep, you got that right.

nt
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Guns

and all of those things have always been wedge issues. They are good for distracting while getting fleeced.

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Excellent observation, Rob

nt

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