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Submitted by Mike on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 9:35am.
Lots of folks have decided to drive cars powered by biofuels, feeling good about the switch from fossil fuels and hoping the biofuel decision is an ethical and effective response to global warming, but the science is starting to accumulate indicating that biofuels are not an effective answer. I know this may not be what a lot of people want to hear. And it's no doubt true that if you simply measure the gases at the tailpipe, it would appear that biofuels are cleaner than fossil fuels, but once you start measuring the complete environmental picture of biofuels, it turns out that biofuels are simply not green. I don't believe that ethanol, biodiesel and the other internal combustion options for loco-motion have any real merit. The NYT carries a story today here that covers two papers recently published in the journal Science that includes the following:
If you want to read the articles themselves, not dumbed down through the NYT, you can go to the journal Science online here. The key issue here is sustainability, imho. Quick fixes that look like solutions need to be analyzed in their entirety to measure their true and complete costs. The NYT also carries an article today that mentions "inertiatives." These are public policy measures that make complete sense and can't be enacted for some reason. An example in this story is the installation/conversion of dometic hot water production in the State of Hawaii to solar. Read that article here if you want. There is lots of sun. Hawaii ships in copious amounts of power, fuel, and it is a no-brainer to convert the islands to solar production of domestic hot water, yet it is apparently not possible to enact this simple, sustainable, cost-effective public policy. The Hawaii article mentions the "blue line" project and I wonder if we have ever done that in Olympia. It's an exercise where folks take blue chalk and mark the waterline projected by a sea-level rise of one meter. It helps put the issue of global warming in perspective. I think we might want to think about doing that project later this year. Lots of folks think that global warming is not that big a deal. Rob R has said he thinks my posts are a bit alarmist. But the first NYT story carries this line:
We will pay some of the costs ourselves as the recent "unusual" flooding in the area has shown. We will pay some of the costs for global climate change a the "unusually" strong tornadoes in the country showed earlier this month, but I believe that substantial costs are being shifted to generations to come by a short-sighted national energy policy and we can do something about that once we are sufficiently alarmed.
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Bio fuels are not the answer to global warming
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 12:47pm.They are just another source of food for the the internal combustion monsters we depend on.
Not to hijiack (but you did include it in your post): I would avoid pointing to single weather events as examples of the impact of global warming. Evidence of global warming is a result of rigorous statistical analysis of very long-term climate trends, not recent dissasters. People who cite single weather events open themselves up to counter claims by deniers who now point to the substancial snow pack in the Cascades as evidence that we are not warming. Bad science all the way around.
Yes, I think about the single weather event thing
Submitted by Mike on Sat, 02/09/2008 - 9:26am.and that is why I prefer to talk about the weather events in groups, like the unusual flooding events, the stronger hurricanes, the drought in SE US, unusually strong tornado activity. I have been particularly pressed for time over the past six months, business is too good and I can work 7 days a week if I want to. It leads to some unfortunate shortcuts in my blogging habits. Thanks for noting so that I can clarify.
I understand that causation of a single event is essentially impossible to prove, but I think that lots of folks in the US finally have concluded that global warming is happening based upon their idiosyncratic experience of the weather changes that they were experiencing. It falls in the "intuition is fast science" category.
The folks who want to argue that unusual weather patterns that involve increasing snowpack show that global warming isn't happening are going to be less and less in the mainstream as folks who have a serious conservative political view clean up after horrendous tornadoes and hurricanes and come to the conclusion that their political views about global warming and Al Gore afford no protection from the elements.
As Bobby noted, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Less mainstream, yes.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 02/09/2008 - 10:01am.I seldom if ever listen to any talk radio
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 02/10/2008 - 2:13am.except what I might hear on KAOS or KXOT. I have no television channels in my home and I don't subscribe to any newspapers, so my exposure to folks like Dori Monson is so slight as to be non-existent. I have heard Monson speak on occasion and am surprised to hear he has been able discover how to procreate.
So many talk radio types have become irrelevant as the free market experiment they champion has produced the import of tainted goods from China and the export of our young men and women to secure important oil field abroad. Like the impact of truly horrific weather, the reality of dangerously contaminated imported goods and the deaths and misuse of our military troops is a reality that many americans with a seriously conservative political view can only deny for so long.
Global Warming
Submitted by DJW on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 1:29pm.I'm of the opinion that I don't know what is causing any climate changes. Is it man made, part of a cycle or what? There are far too many opinions out there for me to say this or that is the cause.
I'm trying to use some caution with how I live. Green building techniques were used in my home, recycle, paper bags when possible, driving less etc. Bio fuels? Interesting question. I have a very large diesel truck and over the last few years I have been using bio diesel whenever possible. However, I have read recently that it is no better for the environment than regular diesel. So what have I learned from this? I'm still going to use bio diesel whenever possible but I'm also being more diligent in making sure that all my vehicles are maintained properly.
At least if you use biodiesel,
Submitted by JT on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 1:55pm.it reduces the dependency on foreign oil.
“America passes the critical gate test. Open the gate and see where people go – in or out. This is still the country people flock to.” George Will
What exactly does that have to do with global warming?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 2:33pm.Nothing,
Submitted by JT on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 2:53pm.but it has everything to do with biofuels.
“America passes the critical gate test. Open the gate and see where people go – in or out. This is still the country people flock to.” George Will
Yes, that's what I though.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 2:55pm.Potentially, it does decrease reliance on foreign oil,
Submitted by Mike on Sat, 02/09/2008 - 9:35am.but a fuller analysis of biofuel production shows how much foreign oil is leveraged to produce a gallon of biofuel. I think there is a net gain because we essentially add solar power of growing crops to the energy of the oil used to produce a bushel of corn, or whatever biofuel crop is used.
The bottom line as I read these science studies is that biofuel is not a sustainable energy source.
Also, from a moral point of view, I have trouble accepting a switch to biofuels until we have committed to a principle that no human beings on the planet should starve to death as part of the bargain that turns foodstuffs into fuelstuffs.
Yes, I agree it is complicated.
Submitted by Mike on Sat, 02/09/2008 - 9:29am.and I think the choices you are making are sound.
When you say that there are too many opinions out there regarding global warming I am inclined to believe that you, like most americans, have no formal scientific training because you are correct that there are too many opinions, but the science is increasingly clear regarding global warming.
I've been wondering
Submitted by CIAGuy on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 3:35pm.It really is a poorly planned path
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 3:41pm.