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Submitted by armywife on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 3:58pm.
After the comments in the post about my husband I am through. I will make one last challenge that ... even though that many people on this blog do not support that war that you respect the soliders.
» The insults and remarks made about my husband are bull.. and I frankly want nothing to do with it. I was hoping to enlighten people about another view point. However, there are too many people on here who want to slam my husband... and therefore me because he is a soldier. The majority of people are misinformed about the war, the job of the soldiers, and what is actually occuring over there. I encourage people to step back... I will continue on with my life without being spoken to like I am a half wit... who is brain washed by the Army. My husband isnt a liar and probably would be friends with many of the haters on here because you wouldnt even know he was a soldier until he brought it up. I am deeply saddened by the comments of some on this site. I highly doubt I will ever return because the disrespect for a soldier is something I DONT TAKE LIGHTLY.... "It’s hard to put those, those feelings and emotions into words. I mean, it, it—they’re so, they’re so complex and because they’re, someone who trains, someone’s who is a soldier and who’s mission is to save you and, and that person goes in there and does it, and accomplishes a mission, if you’re on the receiving end of that, it’s, it’s (unintelligible) on a mission. I mean, it’s your life and you, you owe these people, I owe these people my life. And they’re, they’re, they’re the finest of the finest, they’re the best of the best. Um, I had to see them before I left. I had to. " Kurt Muse
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sorry
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 4:43pm.Leaving because of drew
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 4:52pm.I agree...:)
Submitted by OperaGirl on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 4:57pm.What Norm said.
Submitted by Rick on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 6:04pm.I agree :)
Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 9:02pm.And it is even possible that if you and Drew sat down in person and talked, you two might find things in common, or not, but I bet there is some common ground somewhere.
Most of us at some point have learned that we gotta walk away from a conversation here, not sweat it, not take things to heart, even when we feel passionate about the issue. Okay to take a break, also to pick and choose what we read and what we don't read. This blog is a community of diverse individuals, including you, all welcome.
I liked how you and I had a moment awhile back where in the middle of a difficult conversation, we heard each other. And I've seen that happen with other folks since. Plus, it really is okay if sometimes we disagree.
In fact I was going to ask you, if you are willing, to write for us what your experience is. Whatever you are feeling. Focus on you, how you get through the days and nights, how you keep your relationship with your husband alive, your experiences.
Because no matter what any of us think, no matter whether we disagree with the war or not, we aren't taking that away. That is yours. You own that, and I believe we can all learn from each other when we tell our stories, the stories that come from our hearts and minds and experiences.
Reminds me of what I've been taught about communication. Telling my story, focus on my experience, without blaming anyone else or making it about what they supposedly are doing to me, makes all the difference. Sometimes this is called using "I messages."
Your passion is important, it is yours. All of us have this, we can share our personal stories, without insisting that anyone else be any different. All of our stories and experiences and emotions are valid.
As Arnold once said.....
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 5:34pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
LOL
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 5:42pm.Crenshaw is the man........
Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 9:06pm.Can we bribe him to put in a good word for us?
^@^
Psh - you both know
Submitted by OperaGirl on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 9:21pm.Norm
Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 9:28pm.Don't tell her that we are having this conversation, maybe she won't notice.
O
Submitted by stevenl on Tue, 09/05/2006 - 10:47pm.wOw
Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 1:11pm.Obviously it is best to err on the side of caution, we better practice being obsequious to OperaGirl just in case.
Or are we just obsessed?
Someone (or something) once offered an obscure observation: that when humans say "O", they tend to hold still and are then more easily caught.
(Notice that I didn't write anything about you know what, at least not overtly.)
What can I say other than
Submitted by stevenl on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 6:17pm.Oh, please!
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 9:36pm.If you want to have this discussion, you will either have to choose your pain, or your politics. You seem to have mixed both, and expect us to concede a point which is political (support the troops and have us believe that your husband is doing the right thing) by justifying it with your emotions (you miss your husband, want him safely back, and you believe he is doing the right thing). That's not fair argument, that is baiting and switching, a common tactic in propaganda. And "storming off," claiming to be personally insulted by a political, non personal point is just childish behavior. You opened the can of worms, you injected your political view into an ongoing discussion, you claimed your husbands' acts were all virtuous, and that WE were the brainwashed, ill-informed masses, bleating our antiwar protests to make you feel bad and the soldiers feel bad. When I point out the reality of the situation, you want to hear none of it. B.S. The conversation goes BOTH WAYS.
I'm an anti-imperialist, Armywife. I'm not suddenly going to forget that just because you're missing your soldier husband. I'm not going to put your pain above that pain suffered by the Iraqi truck driver who lost both his daughters - doctors both - in the first month of the second Iraq war.
And you have NEVER answered the question - Do you support empire? Yes, or No?
Threatened by emotions any?
Submitted by Rick on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 9:42pm.:)
Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 10:15pm.I can see how what Drew is writing can seem unduly harsh and offensive. But I can also read his words as straight up and him telling it like it is for him, and that they aren't automatically offensive at all.
No, some of us can't. I had
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 10:21pm.infiniti
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 8:56pm.Might I suggest the same venue, on a night other than the one mentioned? Perhaps find a friend with a copwatch pin and give me a jingle?
Whoa, nellie!
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 8:54pm.If you wish to ask whether I can cater to a person's emotions, honest expressed, the answer is yes - but this is not the forum for that. If you need a hug, you'll get none from this blog fer cripes* sake.
*obscure midwestern offensiveness avoidance vocabulary five dollar word of the month (tm) (r) (1999)
Conversation goes both ways
Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 9:42pm.We can acknowledge each other's pain and still speak clearly and directly about our perspectives on the war. Our pain, our emotions, are our own, they aren't diminished or disrespected when someone disagrees with our perspective.
If you're coming on OlyBlog
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 12:45am.If you're coming on OlyBlog to "win" a debate, you're probably at the wrong place.
And by the very definition, I'm probably "losing" quite a bit of these exchanges.
As a sidenote: The blog has helped me understand progressive viewpoints a lot. In fact, I bring them out during lecture discussions quite a bit.
This is what I was telling a friend the other day: College is nothing more than paying for information. As students we're simply paying for a qualified individual (academically and/or professionally) to share the information within their head. In my opinion it's quite absurd, but this is the price we have determined information and ideas are worth.
you have my vote
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 2:41pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
Second
Submitted by Sarah on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 7:24pm.Can we have an empire support poll?
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 10:27am.Yes
or
No
I, for one, support the
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 12:28pm.Ha ha ha
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 7:00pm.We cannot have an imperial
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 7:11pm.If I understand Norm
Submitted by Phil Owen on Tue, 09/05/2006 - 6:18pm.Hmmm, that I may be able to
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 09/05/2006 - 11:13pm.A difference without a distinction
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 8:46pm.I disagree - when you claim the right to shoot people who don't follow your traffic signs, you either own the country or you're smoking methamphetamine, or both.
What is the difference between a President, declared so, who was not elected - and a King, declared so, who was also not elected and does exactly as this 'president' does? I'd say not much at all.
The difference being, you
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 10:50pm."Damn the man, save the empire."
Take Care
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 10:23am.Armywife=Shelley Webber?
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 09/05/2006 - 9:07pm.Sad to see you go. Farewell
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 09/07/2006 - 10:19pm.Farewell Army Wife! May a blanket of protection cover you in this time of need.
Just to put it all in context
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Mon, 05/21/2007 - 9:34pm.Must be like if we get out of Iraq now then all chaos will break out. armywife is just coming back to save us from ourselves. Thank you, armywife, for coming back to save all the marijuana smoking, soldier spitting on, godless hippies. Your sacrifice is duly noted and your service is appreciated by a grateful nation.
"I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
HaHa? But really, you
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 05/21/2007 - 10:38pm.tell me about it...
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Mon, 05/21/2007 - 11:31pm.Before I got to Olympia I was a Mormon, now look at me, at least I got to keep my bicycle and the black slacks and tie with white short sleeve shirt should come back into style. That or I could get a job with the Geek Squad.
"I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
lol
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 05/22/2007 - 9:18am.