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Submitted by chad360 on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 2:28am.
Here is a starter from the good ol MRSC:

Specifically, Article VIII, Section 7 of the Washington State Constitution provides
"No county, city, town or other municipal corporation shall hereafter give any money, property, or loan its money, or credit to or in aid of any individual, association, company or corporation, except for the necessary support of the poor and infirm."

Well, that is a start-- could we declare unconditionally that animals are at least defined (in a legal sense) as "poor" in that animals have no money/capital?

This applies to folks as well...

So, let-us as a community design curving concrete walls that have a continuous bench shelf suitable for slumber.  Make these curving walls planters for nice plants, and a source of clean water on the ends of these "berms" to use a term...

These curving, sheltered, continuous benches are heated during cold times so as to make it viable to sleep in sleeping bags/blankets.

 I think that without a place to wash clothes & attend to personal hygiene in privacy (lavatory & place to bathe/shower)…have a mirror, etc…that it would be really hard, but at least starting with a sleeping structure that would work could help--

--then ask for public funds to support the design.
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Lawsuit?

If a person sleeps out in the open, she's vulnerable to being robbed or attacked.  If the city were to provide an official open air sleeping area, could a person who gets hurt sue the city for not providing security?

--Scott
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Hmmm

I understand your reasoning, but maybe you have a better suggestion? Maybe it doesn't have to be outside and in the open.

Are state/national parks ever sued for campers that are hurt or die while sleeping in the park?

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nope, this is the best bet--

Norm, thanks, but I'll stick with my design...it is not like anyone in Olympia is gonna buy land and let folks live for free, so I'm curious what ideas you have? care to share?...you may even get me to post my drawing/illustration of this design that I submitted to the UN Habitat org when I was at the U...but only if you share your design ideas...>grin<
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I actually like most of your

I actually like most of your idea, I can see some problems but a solution that works 90% of the time is better than no solution at all.
I was actually responding to Mr. Hall Wink

My suggestions? I think camp quixote has the right idea. It would be nice if they could have a more permanent site. I'm not sure how this would get accomplished, but it would be nice. I think having a central community living-space is great, a structure where everyone can get together and eat, cook, talk, whatever. Kind of like a day-room in college dorms I suppose.

Ideally, at least in my noggin, having a kind of quasi-campground near the main facility would be good. I think it may invite other people to come and socialize. Plus, with the summers we've been having, I think there needs to be a dedicated campfire/firepit and grill. lol what do ya think?

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that does work--

I guess my big point is that open structures can be safe, but all of these points raised are very valid. Now, I wonder if a "coalition of the willing" could start a land trust to provide geography for such an endeavor...
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Chad

You have some interesting ideas, I'd love for you to be a part of our process. If you are free Saturdays at 3PM you should come by the Bread & Roses Advocacy Center and become a PPU member.

“One man scorned and covered with scars still strove with his last ounce of courage to reach the unreachable stars; and the world was better for this.

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I'm not a lawyer, but...

Thanks for the comment Scott, "hmmm, I dunno...isn't saying someone can sleep on a sidewalk at night but not in the day "official"...that is what the City just did, right?
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Reasonable person and

Reasonable person and assumption of risk standards apply.

Anyone can sue or be sued for almost anything. So a person could sue, but you have to prove proximate cause, duty and responsibility etc.  Can't set up your world to avoid suits, makes more sense to be concerned with your liability. 

I am suggesting the correct question is "would the city be liable" in the circumstances you describe.  Seems that that proximate cause of damages is the person who robs or attacks.  Circumstances would be different if the attack were reported and the city did not send a patrol car, that breach of a duty, an intervening cause contributing to damage. 

None of this to be construed as legal advice, simply ruminating on civil (and uncivil) actions.
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I wondered whether building

I wondered whether building something made for people to sleep on and officially inviting people to sleep on it would expose the city to charges of negligence.  The trouble is, I'm not a lawyer, and non-lawyers often have a poor understanding of legal liability and lawsuits.  From what you're saying, which is not official legal advice, maybe the city would be OK.

I'll bet that feral cats would sleep on those heated surfaces.  A cat loves a warm place on a cold night.

--Scott
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is the rail tunnel in use?

curious about infrastructure? is the tunnel in use? could make a shelter with lights/heat...alot of folks camp there
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Rail Tunnel

The rail tunnel downtown is in use.  There is a smaller tunnel that runs parallel that people used to use, but they finally blocked the entrances to that one.  I think that some work would be needed for it to be safe.  We wouldn't want anyone to be hit by a train.

--Scott
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word

thanks man, I was just rambling, trying to figure something out. I swear to god (any god that is) that there has to be a place in Oly that can serve our population of nomads (owning a home is a choice, and I support those that do not want into that system, so I prefer the term nomad, not homeless or displaced, transient, etc...).

Oly needs a nomad where folks rolling thru can rest up and dip into the loal economy for temp work or barter...

I really needed a place to sew when I was on the road, and I finally had to get a room to setup for a few days...now I have a solar powered sewing maching that I can make alterations & repairs when I'm on the go.
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Nomads

Another term for a person who doesn't own a home is "renter" or "tenant," like me.

Can you post a picture of your solar sewing machine?  I've never heard of such a thing.  It must take a good sized group of solar cells to keep that motor going.

--Scott
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