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Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Tue, 06/20/2006 - 11:32am.
I got into Olympia a bit early to get over the the Brotherhood.  I wandered around downtown sick as a dog.  I'd be ok if I could just find a place to rest.  So I wandered down 4th Ave from the Safeway.  I did manage to find one bench across the street from Orcas books.  I pressed on.  I did finally find another bench near Radiance.  So, not including Sylvester Park, we have a total of two benches in downtown Olympia.  I did manage to find a few bus shelter benches, all fully occupied. This is not good for Olympia or the people that frequent or visit downtown.  Public seating is a must for a downtown area.  We have the sidewalk space, that isn't a problem.  There are many fine locations to locate benches.  Each location has its own particular charm and interest.  Even in a progressive town like Olympia, I find the public realm to be very lacking.  It is the public and street realm that makes a town great.  So why don't we have more benches in downtown Olympia.  I know they cost money, but it can't be that.  While I have a couple of bucks I don't think it is right for me to be forced to be a customer to find a place to sit down or use the facilities.  And this is not really about me not spending money or making a choice to patronize a business.  This is about civilization, this is about welcoming public spaces.  If we want people to use downtown it has to be welcoming.  And, by the way, I don't want to hear any cracks about downtown being more welcoming if the homeless and young and bums weren't there.  They are members of our society as well.  Each has a butt and sometimes they have to rest.  You don't have to be rich in order to have the need to rest.  You don't even need to be tired or sick.  You just need to have the place, which for a short time can become your own and yet belongs to everyone.
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Well, I hope you are feeling

Well, I hope you are feeling better, and I agree. I think that there are probably people who think along the lines of the bottom of your paragraph, and that's probably why the issue of public seating in downtown hasn't been addressed ( People sleeping on them would be my first thought ) but I still think it's something that is needed to draw people downtown, make it more user friendly. My biggest problem with downtown is that there's nothing down there that I necessarily want to do. I think if they had better shops, stores, etc I would be more inclined to spend time downtown. As it is I go down there when I want a comic book ( rarely anymore ) a used book ( a little more frequent than the comic book ) or a computer part ( don't get me started ). Of course I'm not a big shopper but I think a good portion of the greater Olympia community just doesn't have a huge need to go downtown. Downtown NEEDS a draw, and not just a draw for college students, holistic folks, and people who want to drink.
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Oh Yeah

I so agree. On some days, my ability to get around means places to sit are vital.

Few years back I asked for a place to sit at a local post office, the tragic opera that ensued was....well, tragic. The lines happened to be really long and they were short staffed. I was there as a customer and I just needed to sit for a few until it was my turn. Even the other customers joined in on making me feel like shit.

Do you have the Oly Crud, Crenshaw? Some bug is going around, I now am in the midst of it. I'm hoping to sleep it off.
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Hope it is not the dreaded oly crud

I'm pretty sure it is not the Oly Crud.  I think I'm doing better today, but I still am not sure.  I suspect that by this evening I'll have a better idea of what I'm dealing with.

Sometimes you look for things you know are supposed to be there.  I fully expected to find benches and yet there were virtually none.  I guess I never noticed the lack of benches because I never noticed people using them, people using benches would make them visible.  You miss things unless they are made obvious or you have some need to be looking for them.

"I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
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Change

Right when the smoking laws went into effect, many outdoor public benches and seating disappeared. As if our need to have a place to sit down suddenly went up into smoke.
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Someone told me once...

...a few years back, the city bought and installed a bunch of benches for downtown. Eventually, they were all removed again, because, you're not going to believe this, people were using them! I hear the city still has them in a warehouse somewhere. Maybe a hundred or so emails to the council will get the idea of putting the benches back downtown onto their agenda.
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I thought I have heard it all

Rob, so you are telling me that we did have benches downtown and the city pulled them out because people were actually using them.  So I guess the city thought they were just decorative.  Did they really expect people not to use them.  Lots of people will say that I'm crazy, but I have to say that removing benches because people actually use them redefines crazy.  I am compelled to whack the city fathers over the head with a copy of "A Pattern Language".  I wonder how much of this was at the request of the "business community".  Seems to me the so called business community knows nothing about a downtown.  They do know how to rake in Associaton fees, but don't seem to know squat about what makes a downtown work. 

"I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
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Let me clarify

what i heard is that the benches were removed because people complained. the complaints were centered on not that people were using them, but that the "wrong" people were using them.
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I kind of suspected that

And that is a crime against humanity. More than anything I hate city policies that target groups of people.  They do something "innocent" like getting rid of benches because the benches attract the "wrong" kind of people.  Get rid of the benches and you get rid of the "wrong" kind of people.  The city is all innocent, but they know exactly what they are doing.  Mostly they are just following orders from the Downtown business association, and we know they don't know squat about downtown.  I wish they'd actually mind their businesses (literally) and not blame one element or another for their failures.

"I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
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A useful quote in such discussions!

The redesigns of central cities that have proven successful... do not cater solely to a middle- and upper-income clientele. They are in the city and of the city and thereby partake of its economic and ethnic diversity yet, unlike so many other forbidding places in cities, they have a welcoming quality.
--John (?) Guinther
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