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Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 12:00pm.
[Bumped to the top by Rick -- overlooked during Port action]
I guess what I'm saying is that the park needs a variety of seating opportunities and uses. To be sure, it is great to have the grass and benches, but the tables would increase the park's attractiveness and utility. The greater the seating opportunites the greater the use of the space. Sylvester park is far from being the kind of public space it should be. I am certain there are other features that could be installed in Sylvester Park that would increase its utility. I personally would like to see some food vendor carts and opportunities for street musicians. There should be dancing in the streets, if not in the park.
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Submitted by Sarah on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 9:03am.I wish the gazebo wasn't locked up.
Why is it locked?
Submitted by Norm on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 10:38am.I've seen a number of parks
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 10:32am.Official Cover
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 12:11pm.Of course, if we had to paint the gazebo's uprights every month to discourage tagging there, that would still be cheaper than building the fence was. So the official cover is - for me - simply that. The real reason is the kids - the downtowners. They wanted them gone. They wanted them out of Sylvester Park.
Kids and Parks
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 12:40pm.Amen,
Submitted by Rick on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 2:01pm.state park, not city
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 3:39pm.Is there any reason...
Submitted by Rick on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 6:57pm....why the State still owns Sylvester Park, or is it just a vestige of the time when the Capitol was there? If there is no good reason, I think the City should own it. It is the very heart of Olympia's public space, and should not be owned (or controlled) by the State.
If I'm remembering correctly
Submitted by Norm on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 10:40pm.Concurrent Jurisdiction
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Sun, 05/28/2006 - 5:02pm.That reminds me
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 3:59pm.Parks downtown
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 4:11pm.Then there is the Intercity Transit Center downtown, which is a kind of park... TJ sits on that board as well, and they might be responsive to making it more elderfriendly to discourage the 'scene' there.
There is a lot of Port property which sits idle and could be made parklike...
Permits encouraged
Submitted by Jade on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 11:17pm.Crenshaw, it is so refreshing to hear someone say that we should welcome kids in downtown. Kids are not a problem. We should welcome their energy and flirtatiousness and mischief. We should appreciate their adolescent power and magic. We should think about protecting them from pain and bad luck and abuse, not treat them like they are a threat to the beauty of our town.
Oh yeah--Anyone can use the gazebo with a permit. Its free. You just call the state and tell them what you plan to do in the gazebo. They never say no. My friend used to get a permit every week for a different purpose. Examples are: 2 people need a permit to kiss in the gazebo, 18 people need a permit to play four square in the gazebo, 4 people need a permit to eat lunch in the gazebo, etc., etc. As far as I know, they never refused her a permit. Every week they obligingly showed up and unlocked the gate for her.
It is odd
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 11:52pm.Pattern Language
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 05/30/2006 - 2:46pm.As for park, I have to wonder if users are really wanted. I suspect some of those in charge believe that if there were more benches there would be people *gasp* actually resting and even sleeping on them.
Sleeping with the enemy, or at least in public
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Wed, 05/31/2006 - 11:55pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
Chess and the domino theory
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Tue, 05/30/2006 - 1:23pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
Table rebels
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Tue, 05/30/2006 - 1:32pm.We each sit one or two to a table (maybe 12 in the park), have a chess board or dominoes set up, and see what happens. See who happens along...
Intelligent design
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Tue, 05/30/2006 - 1:53pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
I wish we had some of those
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 05/30/2006 - 2:06pm.The start of a movement
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Tue, 05/30/2006 - 2:20pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
is it just me, or is this
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 05/30/2006 - 2:33pm.Not just you
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 05/30/2006 - 2:42pm.Picnic Tables
Submitted by Jade on Tue, 05/30/2006 - 11:33pm.http://seattle.craigslist.org/wan/166391523.html
That is terrific, I'm going
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Tue, 05/30/2006 - 11:36pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
Also
Submitted by Jade on Tue, 05/30/2006 - 11:44pm.http://www.inoly.com/viewmsg.asp?msgid=412&catid=4&subcatid=108.
not so freecycle
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Wed, 05/31/2006 - 12:04pm.Thank you for your response. I will try to rewrite it to fit your editorial standards. I guess I am asking people to do a radical thing, create action where people are chosing to take no action. I understand that you encourage person to person transactions. I believe I have warned the group members that this is not such a transaction, but an act of grassroots activism. I really did not want to make the post as anything but that. I am trying to build up a little community spirit, create maybe a sense of conspiracy. All that being said, I understand your point about the blanket requests for washing machines and the like. Still there should be room on freecycle for these random acts of kindness and civil disobedience. The best transaction is the one that does the most good.
CS
Moderator wrote: While this has resulted in some discussion, among the moderators,
we're going to reject the posting, as you've submitted it.
Please keep transactions on a person-to-person basis. The moderators
are going to reject messages of the kind that ask members to just drop
Freecycle items off at some location.
If you will re-word your message, simply requesting picnic tables,
that would be fine. As with all Freecycle transactions, arrange to
take possession of as many picnic tables as you wish. Don't forget to
send a "Received" message, when you want to stop receiving contacts
about your request. Then, you can certainly contemplate how best to
transport your picnic tables to Sylvester Park.
While we moderators can agree with your observations about the current
state of Sylvester Park, we don't care to have to deal with other
messages of this kind (. . . "my friend's apartment building could use
more laundry machines, so please drop your washers and driers on the
curb at this address. . .").
Thank you for understanding and for re-sending a message triggering a
more (shall we say) "conventional" kind of Freecycle transaction.
> I have a little experiment that I'm proposing. Sylvester Park in
> downtown Olympia needs some alternative seating and tables. I'm
> asking those that might have usable picnic tables to drop them off in
> Sylvester Park in a nice place where they can be used by the public.
> Sylvester Park is sorely needing this type of thing to make the park
> more inviting and friendly. I have to honest, I'm not sure how long
> the powers that be will allow the tables to stay in the park, but
this
> is an experiment. Sylvester Park needs help. This would be a great
> start. Summer is coming. Chess and checkers and dominoes need to be
> played. Lunch must be consumed. Laptoppers need to keep their hot
> laptops off their lap tops.
"I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
Too bad...
Submitted by Jade on Wed, 05/31/2006 - 8:10pm.Tables and chairs
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 09/05/2006 - 3:26pm.A group of us walked to the park to continue conversations after the B&B closed for the evening. But benches only offer limited side by side conversation, a larger group needs more seating, sometimes sitting on the grass just doesn't suffice, especially if it is wet.
With tables we can play board and card games, use laptops, eat drippy foods over napkins, write and draw, and share top secret documents.