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Submitted by emmettoconnell on Fri, 02/09/2007 - 4:26pm.
City press release, via email:
» The City of Olympia has received some phone calls this morning from individuals reporting that a homeless encampment is being set up on church grounds in northwest Olympia.
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Seems like a reasonable ask
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sat, 02/10/2007 - 2:46am."I wonder what the insurance
Submitted by Phil Owen on Sat, 02/10/2007 - 12:40pm.This is a big issue for many churches. Apparently the UU believes that ensuring God's kingdom is more important than insuring it.
I agree with them.
The Canaanite's Call
That's certainly their right
Submitted by Ehver Green on Mon, 02/12/2007 - 11:49am.Told Ya!
Submitted by chad360 on Fri, 02/09/2007 - 6:53pm."We do not condone tent encampments"
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Sat, 02/10/2007 - 12:48pm.There are those that will say that the city has spent millions over the years to help with the problems of the homeless. It is true they have spent money in the name of homelessness but I suspect very few of these dollars have actually benefited the homeless. Let us take for example the Housing Authority of Thurston County. They have this big fancy building, the have plenty of well paid staff. They have thousands of clients waiting for vouchers so they can get subsidized housing. A person could wait years for a voucher and when they finally get the voucher the recipient has no place to use the voucher and therefore is still homeless. So we spend all this money on a fancy building and living wage salaries to have virtually no impact on the homeless.
The solutions to the homeless problems will come out of the homeless community. Camp Quixote was one example of a solution out of the community. I figure that the city has spent roughly 3 bucks a day per homeless person on census of 600 homeless people. Three bucks a day. About 100 bucks a month. What does 100 bucks a month get you. In Olympia it gets you a 10 by 10 room at Space on State. The room is heated and clean. There is a communal restroom. You get a door you can lock and a window to the outside. $100 a month gets this from a commercial operation. We can be a lot smarter about spending the money we spend on the homeless. Listen to the homeless. Make sure homes are being created for the homeless with the money and no just providing comfort and salaries to those that really don't end up serving the homeless. If a buck spent on homelessness does not result in comfort and dignity for the homeless it is not being spent properly. Ask the homeless, they will tell you. Can it be the homeless have such little respect in our community that we will refuse to listen to them and, more to the point, hear them?
"I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
I resent the undertone of
Submitted by Jade on Mon, 02/12/2007 - 1:24am.She almost sounds annoyed that the church even has a legally protected right to practice their religion.
There is no mention of people's rights to free speech and assembly. Apparently the city thinks health code takes precedent over these individual liberties?
I would like to see some evidence that a tent city is more of a safety and health risk than homelessness at large. I highly doubt they could find any evidence to support such a statement.
Her statement about the Thurston County regional approach is annoying as well. As if no private individual or group has a right to be combatting homelessness without submitting a proposal to the county.
What a bunch of baloney.
Jade
I must admit, it's
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Mon, 02/12/2007 - 7:54pm.I must admit, it's entertaining seeing the people who normally support government intervention on private property start to cite "individual liberties" when it is convenient.
I think the church should be able to have 500 people on its property, if that is what it wants to do.
Then again, I also think a business should be able to refuse to offer a product and offer itself as a smoking establishment.
This (the government thinking they can control every aspect of private property) is simply the culmination of the people allowing government to encroach on and slowly chip away at private ownership.
And the shock that the government mismanages taxpayer dollars. Shock! Horror! Who'd of thunk that taxpayer dollars are wasted on overhead?!
This reminds me of The Daily Show the other night when it was pointed out that the Senate group responsible for reducing waste had separate websites that served the same function!
Pray tell you've never fought for government intervention under the justification of the "Greater Good." Because if you have, you answered your own question.
I think the group many of you should be contacting is the BIAW!
Nice try Fire...
Submitted by bubba z (not verified) on Mon, 02/12/2007 - 12:46pm."Private owners" would have a grand total of *squat* in Washington State without "government encroachment"
Your take on history is just plain incorrect..
Your take on history is just
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Mon, 02/12/2007 - 8:57pm.Expand. I have a general picture as to what you are referring to, but I'd rather have something specific so I don't start typing about something that you're not.
Oregon Territory
Submitted by bubba z (not verified) on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:43am.Lets remember, it was treaty arrangements made with all of the parties involved, not contracts..
I do agree..
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 9:42am.Too bad the Olympia City Council apparently hates freedom..
(Except for the "freedom" of the commercial real estate interests, that is..)
That 500 people peaceable
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 02/14/2007 - 11:32am.Why only church property? When I said 500 people should be allowed on property, I meant any property. If I wanted to have 500 people on my property, there should be nothing in my way.
Private property is the last freedom and is supposed to be the place where we are free from government. If you can't escape government on your own property, there's a problem.
They don't hate "freedom." They're simply acting in the manner that has come to be expected of government. Notice they won't allow all of those people living in tents because of "public health?"
It's the same justification for not being able to have a smoking establishment (although the only people to blame for that one are my fellow Washingtonians), must wear a seatbelt in a car or a helmet on a motorcycle.
This is why it's entertaining to see all of this. Don't get me wrong; I agree with you in principle that the church should be allowed to offer its property to whomever they want and hope the church is able to exercise its powers as a private property owner.
But there's a part of me, in the back of my head, that hope the church is not able to. Call it human nature, but I get a little peeved watching this as I'm thinking to myself, Wait a second. Now they want to fight for private property rights?
I was referring to Lewis and
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 02/14/2007 - 11:52am.You're right. A case can be made that Army exploration of distant land has done a great deal to advance this country, the least of which being Washington State.
I suppose that's how I'm beginning to justify Iraq. Our predecssors had no problem with expansion in the name of the advancing the United States. Why should we?
It's true...
Submitted by oldtimeydave on Mon, 02/12/2007 - 3:17pm.I believe a business should have the right to refuse to offer the product... And their customers also have the right to shop elsewhere if they don't agree with said business' particular view.
As for the smoking thing... Well they didn't have any control over that issue and it is sad. They did however have control over what their place looked like and the food they served and didn't have to rest on the cheap drinks slash smoking angle.
Overall... Maybe "We the People" don't condone our local city officials and their poor attitude towards their residents and constiyuency. Get out vote and be heard I guess, and keep blogging here on Olyblog.
Dude.
Submitted by Jade on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 1:31am.You may call me a hypocrite, and say I am inconsistent, but I think different approaches are required in different situations. I don't think having a simple, black and white answer that applies to every situation means you are more right than those that would look at different circumstances different ways. Life is complicated, which doesn't mean that there is no right and wrong. But it means that it takes some effort to determine one from the other.
I think that citizens should be concerned with each other's fates- particularly the most vulnerable. I don't think government can or will solve all of our social ills, but neither do I think all types of government involvement is negative.
I don't think greed promotes efficiency- I think it promotes waste and violence.
SO there you go. I guess I am consistently anti-greed, pro-community, pro-independent thought and expression, and anti-micromanagement.
Jade