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Submitted by emmettoconnell on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 9:46am.
According to a comment owner Alan McWain (or a person claiming to be him) put at the Olympian, selling the Spar has to do with more than just the smoking ban:
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Submitted by Sarah on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 10:12am.Too bad
Submitted by Nicki on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 10:49am.Sympathy for McWain?
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 11:13am.If it's not The Spar,
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 11:17am.The food isn't fit for a wooden indian
Submitted by rainy gray on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 12:05pm.So let me get this straight:
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 12:20pm.TFI
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 2:40pm.I don't necessarily disagree
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 4:38pm.This was a business which, as far as we know, was able to survive prior to the smoking ban being introduced. Now that the ban has been introduced, the owner has stated on more than one occasion he will have to sell, in part because of the ban.
I see it like this: It would be like the voting public of Washington state deeming food cooked in high amounts of fat too unhealthy to consume from a business. When McDonadld's went under, whose fault would it be: The voters or McDonald's?
"...as far as we know..."
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 11:49pm.Or, maybe, they were fine, and the smoking ban killed them. Based on the conversations I've had with employees and other community members, I don't buy that. I believe that years and years of poor decisions led to what we're seeing now.
And it could go either way.
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 11:54pm.Before ban = Spar good
After ban = Spar bad
At least Eli Sterling and The Spar's situation will provide good milemarkers for those around town in later years to identify just how long someone has been in Olympia.
EDIT: This doesn't mean I think the ban is right, though. And you still can't completely absolve the ban for putting The Spar out of business by creating an artificial atmosphere. Even if The Spar was borderline financially prior to the ban, if the restaurant could have continued juuuuuuust enough for the owner to justify keeping it open, we wouldn't be discussing any of this. Instead, the good people of Washington state are more than likely the difference between red and black.
OK
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 05/02/2006 - 12:18am.Considering all we have lost
Submitted by stevenl on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 8:22pm.During the late 1950s and early 1960s, before my little brother was presentable in public, my Dad and I would occasionally have breakfast in the Spar on Saturdays. Just the two of us. I have very vivid memories of watching the guy behind the cashier's counter lowering the big blackboard to chalk in the latest sports scores. And observing old guys in fedoras (back when men wore hats) lighting up their cigars on the eternal flame the Spar had available on a little pedestal. And I loved the neon chrome following the shape of the room. I was with my hero, my Dad, in a place that was fun. It was sort of a guy type of place too. I suppose it was, for a kid of 4-6 years old, a part of the rite of passage into the male world of the Eisenhower-JFK era. My Dad is gone now, but that special bit of memory comes back whenever I enter the Spar.
There are other bits of memory brain cells that get lit up whenever I step through the doors of 114 4th Ave E. -- I learned to drink coffee there. I sat down and forced myself to acquire a taste for Spar coffee before the days of espresso and Starbucks, etc. And as downtown Olympia basically died in the late 1960s, early 1970s, the Spar survived where many others perished. During the 1970s it was strange for me, as a local and TESC student, to watch the Evergreen arbiters of hip declare the Spar a cool place in a retro kind of way. We Evergroovers would hang out there and have the kind of conversations you can only have during the magic college years and the jaded waitresses regarded us with detached amusement.
For true retro, they should've visited the other Spar. Yes, there were two of them. Originally, I'm told, started by the same guy. At least they looked the same from the outside. But once you got inside the other Spar, it was a much rougher, two-fisted, Old West type of place. It was on Heron St. in Aberdeen and I think vanished in the late 70s, early 80s.
But back to the Olympia Spar-- About 1976 I remember eating there during Halloween and seeing the place fill up with pirates. Or eating at the counter near the door of the Highclimber Room with my girlfriend about 1979 and being stranded on a linoleum island when the hired help spilled a giant vat of grease. Or sitting in the Highclimber Room and enjoying watching the Evergreen profs unwind a bit.
But the big-ticket memory was when I met my now-wife-of-almost-24-years in the Spar in Olympia in late 1980 or the first days of 1981. At a window seat. I love the fact that I can still walk into that place and recall all this stuff, and much much much more that I won't bore you with, without having to work too hard. This is due to the fact that the Spar has changed very little compared to most other places around Olympia. Us old-time guys need a place like the Spar as an anchor to help us maintain a sense of place.
During the mid -1980s I was living in Pullman and working at WSU. A co-worker of mine (who I am now happily working with again) told me she was moving to Olympia. My first piece of advice was, "Go visit the Spar."
Sell the Spar, OK. But the new owners need to realize, and I'm speaking here as loyal local, the place is more just a restaurant. It is an institution. Kill the Spar and a bit of the best part of Olympia dies with it.
I loved the Spar... until I ate there regularly.
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Tue, 05/02/2006 - 10:31am.Now that I can go anywhere and eat without smoke (except the Voyeur, which makes onion smoke so thick my eyes watered just last week while eating there) I guess the food is the main draw, and not enough of one to draw me away from the Clubside's Monte Cristo.
I know the Spar is an Oly institution, but anyone who visits the Olympic Club in Centralia has to know that the Spar's lustre is hardly anything to brag about compared to the real thing.
And the food is not that great - trust me. I eat a lot of diner food and I know good diner food. Only three in town qualify, and the Spar is not one of my places.
It would be nice if someone who likes food and focuses on that would buy out the Spar and produce a locally-focused restaurant, say one that only bought ingredients grown within a hundred miles and in-season. I'd be willing to eat lunch or breakfast there if they did...
Holy cats, Drew just hit it on the head
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Tue, 05/02/2006 - 1:50pm.The McMenamin brothers (who own the Oly club in Centralia and many other fine establishments) need to buy the Spar. And, I mean NEED. It has been far too long that they've skipped over Thurston County, opening bars and restaruants in Lewis and King Co. I for one am sending them a letter with the listing for the Spar.
But, we need to do more than that. We need to draw up a petition: Mike and Brian McMenamin for Olympia!
My grandfather was an
Submitted by stevenl on Tue, 05/02/2006 - 9:02pm.The current version is very homogenized compared to the original, but at least the place is still with us-- so I can't kick too much. The Spar was nothing like the original Olympic Club, so maybe the McMenamins treatment wouldn't be as much of a stretch.
At least McMenamins, using the Olympic Club as an example, has an appreciation for local history and is using it. That, in my mind, saves them from being a faceless chain.
oops
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 12:55pm.Burping
Submitted by Sarah on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 2:13pm.Well, let's think about this...
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 12:58pm.Maybe we should petition them to buy the Public Instruction building facing Sylvester Park. That would be an awesome addition to their stable of cool destination places, right?
Or the McCleary Mansion, if they could convince the locals to rezone it for a bed and breakfast with a pub on the first floor. But the McCleary Mansion is occupied by BIAW, the ones who funded the challenge to gubernatorial voters, which in turn got our Dates of Birth published in the database the Secretary of State releases each month. Maybe BIAW does not want to move.
Not a zero sum game anymore
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Thu, 05/04/2006 - 1:13pm.Wow emmett, I didn't think
Submitted by NWarty on Tue, 05/02/2006 - 3:20pm.