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Submitted by micah on Tue, 01/23/2007 - 10:47am.
Just move to Olympia's east side from Seattle by way of a 7-month detour in Florida. Here are some initial observations about the folks in this town.
  • Extra friendly. From what I've noticed, coffee shop chatter in Seattle is usually rather clique-ish. If you see a barista talking to a customer and you jut in, they'll give you this look that express a general "Why are you talking?" sentiment. In Olympia, however, just about everyone greets me with gleaming eyes and invitational conversation. Good customer service training? Or just a friendly culture?
  • Extra courteous. Every single time I've gone to The Reef (three or four times, I think), one guy or another (not employees) has gone out of his way to hold the door open for me.
  • But they expect you to be extra courteous, too! I used a crosswalk across State sort of near Eastside Ave on a weekday morning. When I cross the street, I always look directly at the drivers facing me so I can get a little more "pedestrian power" over them. I did this with a woman driving a truck and she stopped for me. After I'd finish crossing, she sped by, rolled down her window, and yelled, "You're welcome!" Was I supposed to thank her for following the law?
  • Hoodies and jeans. I feel like I'm the only square in town under 30 with my big black wool coat. And I was all about the hoody for the first 21 years of my life. Still, they're cheap and comfortable and maybe it's easier to layer than to lug around big coats, especially when it's only sprinkling and tends not to rain hard.
  • Bicycle town. Not a pedestrian town (except maybe an 8x8 block section of downtown), sort of a car town, definitely a bike town. And yet... I see so few bikers here on the east side. Still, there are bike lanes in areas where there are no sidewalks. Seems a little strange. And I get the impression that bicyclists prefer to use the side residential streets rather than 4th or State to move across the east side.
  • Liberal? Conservative? Okay! You know, down in Florida, there are a couple pro football teams and a few college football teams. EVERYONE there is strongly affiliated with one. It's their team, they root for it, they talk about the players all the time, and they have a really crappy weekend if one of their teams loses. In Olympia, the politics feel like they're the same way. You put your stickers on your car, you're all about your political "team," be it a candidate or an agenda, but Olympians seem much less pushy about politics than Seattlites. I'm used to right-to-lifers and fundamentalists shoving Bibles in my face while LaRouchians, socialists, and animal rights activists yell across any given public space. That just doesn't seem to be a reality here, and maybe it's because "territories" for each side are more obviously marked and there's less "common ground" for the two different sides to meet on. Or maybe it's just because I'm not going to college anymore.
Overall, I love it here.
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Welcome back, micah


When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
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WILL THE REAL MICAH PLEASE

WILL THE REAL MICAH PLEASE STAND UP

*STANDS UP*

SUP GUYS?
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Not that I'm the first Micah

Not that I'm the first Micah by any stretch of meaning, but I still beat you to the name around four years before you were born. =P
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That Micah?

Are you that Micah or the other Micah? Are you the Micah who does murals?
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I guess I'm the other Micah,

I guess I'm the other Micah, since I've never done a mural in my life.
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It's ok

I'm the other "Norm". Not the big beer-bellied guy off of cheers that always played the straight man. I'm the smaller beer-bellied (How I got a beer belly with no beer is beyond my reasoning) guy who's a bit more on the goofy side. Unless you count George Wendt when he was on saturday night live talkin about "da bulls".
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Thanks. =)

Thanks. =)
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You're definitely not

You're definitely not allowed to be named Micah.
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Extra Friendly?

I don't believe people here are extra friendly. I think that people from Washington are passive-aggressive to the extreme. People here say hi and smile as they walk past a stranger, but confrontations also escalate into violence or threats of violence a lot quicker than most places in the US. On the east coast, it's just the opposite, no one will say hi to you or look at you but you can call someone every name in the book and it still probably won't get violent. I'd like to know what makes Washington different. I grew up in Portland and haven't noticed this behavior there.

“One man scorned and covered with scars still strove with his last ounce of courage to reach the unreachable stars; and the world was better for this.

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I've seen that

I've seen that passive-aggressive thing all over western WA as well, but I think it's ten times worse in Seattle than in Olympia. And if you know how to deal with it, it's usually not much of a problem, in my experience, as long as you don't expect much out of any given social interaction and you take special care not to be offensive. I think friendships in general are harder to develop in this area because of this phenomenon, though.
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I think Western Washington

is much more phoney in the friendliness area than Eastern Washington. Very much on the surface, a smile here a nod there, but no core warmth. In Eastern Washington there seems to be a geniune friendliness, or so it seems based on my interaction. One of the many ways Eastern Washington is much different than over here.

As for the crosswalk incident you mention, perhaps she didn't have to stop, but chose to to be kind. Many pedestrians here in Oly don't know the law in regards to when a car has to yield to them. They will stand next to the crosswalk on the sidewalk, expecting people to stop for them. The courteous thing to do would be to stop for them if it appears they want to cross. But vehicles don't have to yield to you until you step into the crosswalk (and on their portion of the roadway). This applies to uncontrolled (no pedestrian lights) crosswalks.

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so." President Ronald Reagan

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"You're welcome!"

It is polite for folks to stop for walkers, and I usually use the stare down when someone isn't doing the right thing. Using it when they've already stopped for you is pretty mean actually. A little wave and a smile would have been nice.

Either way, in any situation, reciprocal niceness is a good thing.
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people dont trust the police

people dont trust the police around here. Just the other day a bike cop climbed some bushes at the side of my apartment building to investigate potential hiding spots in the neighborhood. He climbed into my backyard just as a good friend was coming over through the back like he always does when the officer started questioning him about being in the backyard. I saw my friend outside with a cop so I went out to talk to the officer and let him know that my friends usually enter through the back. The officer then asked if he could walk through my appt. to get outside I said no and pointed him to a path on the other side of the building. Why did I not let the officer through? because I do not trust the police. I have no illegal items in my household but I would of felt uncomfortable and invaded. and how dare he question my guest about his right to be in my back yard THE COP WAS COMPLETELY UNWELCOME and a little rude. so when olycop gets a cold shoulder in olympia maybe he should look at his fellow officers and vomit star spangled bile.
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Funny Quote

By a man who suffered from dementia for most of his presidency.   The title of his autobiography was "Where Is The Rest Of Me?"
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Oh, no, she did have to

Oh, no, she did have to stop, legally. I was within a lane of her half of the roadway, which under state law means she has to stop. Courtesy aside, she had to stop because of the law. Still, maybe she expected me to let her through, and therefore I should have been thankful because I made her stop? Whatever the case, I was just blown away by how upset she seemed that I didn't thank her. I generally do give a little thank-you wave to cars that stop for me, but I never consider it necessary, whether I'm stopping in my car for a pedestrian or a car is stopping for me at a crosswalk that I've already begun crossing.
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Hoodies and jeans

We just moved here a few weeks ago and recently we walked past a large group of late teens/early 20's who all had on black hooded sweatshirts and jeans.  I said something to my husband about that being their uniform and he pointed out I was wearing the exact same thing (although a hooded black sweater).  Maybe it's something in the water?
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As someone who grew up in

As someone who grew up in the South and went to College in the Deep South and has lived all across the country (I've moved 32 times), Washington State is not particularly over-friendly. Most people keep to themselves. More than 75% of the time I say hello to someone on the sidewalk in Oly, I get no response.

I wouldn't call Olympia super friendly or even friendly, but maybe cordial and "keep to myself" kind of attitude. But that's my view as I've lived just about everywhere, West Coast, East Coast, Midwest, Deep South, New South, blah blah blah.

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I think you may be right (I

I think you may be right (I lived in FL [the pseudo-south!]) for a little while and had a dose of "actual" friendliness, but still, Olympia is a lot less cold than Seattle.  
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Micah,It's absolutely

Micah,

I think you're probably right about Seattle, but I've never lived north of here, so it's difficult for me to relate.

t's absolutely amazing any time I go back home or visit the south. The last two times have been for my sister's wedding and Katrina relief down in New Orleans. People are "bend over backwards nice" down south and it's geniune for the most part. It's funny to hear my wife comment "Everyone's so nice here. It's weird"

I miss those little things about the south.

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23 years in Olywa

I moved to planet olywa in 1983.  Olywa has some of the nicest phony people in the world.  As a transplant from the east coast, I can say that in Olywa folks generally say hello when they mean F-U and on the east coast they say F-U when they mean hello.  In Olywa, disagreement is often considered a hate crime.  I've moved east of the mountains in recent months due to my wife getting a good job and I can say it's far different over this way.  There aren't any homeless people cause the cops drive them to the county line and tell them to get moving, which is a more direct way of expressing disdain for the poor than the Olywa city council does. Lot's of churches here and right wing republican farmers who made their fortune from goverment subsidies under the Columbian Basin Reclamation project. I miss Olywa even with all of it's phoniness.  It's a drag what's going on with the new sidewalk ordinance;  from this distance it seems as if the money in Olywa doesn't want downtown to be simply a coffee shop and book store for Greeners, which it's mostly been since I arrived to go to Evergreen way back in August 1983.

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Yeah, I hear you

About the disagreements thing. My strategy is to become a hell of a lot sneakier than when I first got here. I don't mean deceptive so much as trying to second guess people and where they're coming from based on previous interactions with them. If you can't depend on the usual social signals you have to find other ways of compensating for that. 

But despite this I like it here, although it's taken an absurdly long amount of time to really get acclimatized to how people are. 
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Welcome, Micah

Sorry you had a bad experience with a driver who thought she deserved some sort of award for respecting your rights.  I always wave at drivers who stop to let me cross, but it's not so much a friendly thank you as it is a secret handshake that says "We belong to a special club, you and I, a club of superior beings who respect pedestrians' rights not out of blind, mindless compliance with the law, but because of our natural superiority to those people blasting heedlessly through crosswalks, talking on their cellphones." 

Anyway, welcome to Oly.  I'm sure I'll be seeing you at the Reef.  I'm the redhead in the black wool hoody (handknit in Nepal), and most likely I'll be with my daughter, who has even redder hair, and a black hoody that says "I (heart) Oly."
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I know what you mean will_is_ok

I don't trust the police either. But I was relating my experiance from off-duty encounters. I have to agree, people are more friendly here than in Seattle.

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so." President Ronald Reagan

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good

good
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Olympia could sure use a lot

Olympia could sure use a lot more friendliness. I get threatened for doing my art even when nobody will see it unless they want to since I only paint in the allies. Try riding your bike in this town, drivers hate me when I don't pedal faster than 5 miles per hour like Superman. I'm told to get a job when the constitution doesn't say I need one. Olympia is full of religious republican bigots and it will always have hate and prejudism and intollerance unless we kick them all out.
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Emmett laughs to self

Olympia is full of religious republican bigots and it will always have hate and prejudism and intollerance unless we kick them all out.
Olympia will be full of people that would like to kick us out until we kick them out.
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Are you doing your art on

Are you doing your art on other folks property? Generally that's frowned upon.
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The back of a building

The back of a building doens't count as property. People who can't appreciate art need to stop judging it.
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Anyone feel free to step

Anyone feel free to step into this one...
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putting it lightly, there are other ways to look at that

I'm sure the owner of the property would beg to differ. The back of my house, which is a building, is still my property.

And, in a strict sense, "appreciating" art is "judging it" or rather forming an opinion based on their observation of it. If you don't like someone's opinion of your art, then tough, I guess. Not every likes Monet either. But, then again, he painted on canvas too.
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Back of building = property.

Back of building = property. Building = property. I'd love for you to point out to me in WAC's where it states that the back of a building does not count as property.

I'm one of those not nice people. If you decided to tag the back of my building you probably would not be happy with my response.

People who can't differentiate between someone elses property and their own, need to look into being far less artistic.

EDITED: I needed a comma

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I thought the black hoody

I thought the black hoody thing was hilarious until I actually started counting the number of black hoodies on the way back from lunch today. Too funny Tongue out

 

Hell, it could be Oly's version of "Slugbug" POW!  

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I've always thought Olympia

I've always thought Olympia was pretty nice. Probably my only exception was down at the protests, everyone seemed to think I was something that I'm not.

I smiled and said, "Good evening" to an older woman walking down the street a year or so ago, and she stopped and commented how nobody ever says things like that to her anymore (she then adjusted my shirt and tugged at my jacket, I'm assuming she was fixing my clothing) so maybe it's a certain age-group or clique also?

I try and be thoughtful toward pedestrians, but have caught myself completely missing them at times also (If it's dark or really bright out, watch where you cross at folks) I think everyone, driver and pedestrian both, need to keep a good awareness of their surroundings. I've never forced a car to stop for me, I've either had ample time to cross, or they stopped while I stood on the sidewalk. 

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hay

you should change your name to "poopypantscommander" or "micah_is_ok" or "micrabs" or "macih" or "time crystal"

you know, cause
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I think Olympia is certainly

I think Olympia is certainly more friendly than most places, and I think fights are very rare here, compared to the average town. Portland is quite friendly as well, in my experience. I find Seattle, on the other hand, can be a bit chilly.

But I just got back from my first ever (!) visit to the South, and it seems to be a whole different world down there. I started to feel like an inconsiderate jerk, everyone was so gracious and really took time to acknowlege one another in a way that I have not experienced in the Northwest, which I think of as a pretty friendly region. I guess that is what people mean when they talk about "Southern hospitality". I thought it was just a legend.;-)

Jade

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Jade,Good to see you got a

Jade,

Good to see you got a taste of it. Fortunately it's still alive and well in many areas of the South.

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