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Submitted by Norm on Wed, 09/20/2006 - 10:19pm.
Warning! Do not read with children around that may be old enough to read. There are no disturbing pictures but this may not be a fun one to explain to children if they end up reading a few words of the article.
» Link: http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/20/kitten.beheaded.ap/index.html First, let me state I am not a big animal fan. Cats in particular are pretty low on the list. Even though I am not a big animal fan I get a little fussy when I hear about extreme abuse against them. I read this and about spit milk ( it's not sour btw ) all over the place. Now, for you folks who don't advocate prison terms, what would you suggest for this guy? Norm
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Cat abuse is a symptom in this case
Submitted by OlyCop on Thu, 09/21/2006 - 9:07am.In the escalation of abuse in domestic violence cases harming pets is not uncommon. The only reason a guy that does something like this to a pet and not to his domestic partner is because he hasn't progressed far enough in his behavior.
I have personally investigated 3 DV cases were pets where intentionally harmed (seriously, not just kicking the dog/cat), once in front of the kids. I have no idea how many reported cases we get a year. And who knows how many go unreported. So it's not real common, but it does happen, even in little ol' Oly.
"The strongest reason to retain the right to keep and bear arms is to protect against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson.
That's so sad. We watch
Submitted by OperaGirl on Thu, 09/21/2006 - 10:01am.it's not working for him
Submitted by enpen on Thu, 09/21/2006 - 9:19pm.or...
I have no idea what the situation was, who he is, where he's coming from and aside from what's presented in this article I can't really consider myself informed of the situation, so...I just don't know. It seems to me that the prison system has a long history of turning a majority of its inhabitants into worse people. He at least seems to be getting caught for doing worse things. Bad trend.
"Now, for you folks who
Submitted by Phil Owen on Fri, 09/22/2006 - 7:44am.I'm actually not universally opposed to prison sentences... but there are two things we need to recognize. The first is that prison is ineffective for dealing with a huge number of crimes that now require prison sentences. The other is that most people do eventually get out of prison... like this guy, who will be out in two short years. What will be done to rehabilitate him? Or is he going to just do his time, then get out and terrorize another woman?
Sounds like home...
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Sat, 09/23/2006 - 10:34pm.Edwardsville is basically suburban St Louis, and closer to East St Louis, which is notoriously crime-ridden. The area is poor, with a sheen of new development and wealth spread thinly across the landscape as St Louis grows out toward cheaper former farm land. The class contrast in the area is striking.
I don't know about the personal situation of this man's upbringing, but I can guess that this is not the first time he ever did something like this, even at the tender age of 21.
It was common for folks in that neck of the woods to tie up a litter of unwanted kittens in a sack and tie a rock around the neck of the sack. If you can't guess what came (splash) next, then don't ask.
I'm not sure that this is worse than putting those same kittens into a box and running the engine of a truck until they asphyxiate, which is the next most common way that people dispatch unwanted pets in that region - and here, I'm talking about the pound, not home disposal. Lethal injection is usually not used except when the animal is much older, and in some road injury pain. (Lethal injection is expensive. Cats are not.)
So which part were you upset about? That he killed the cat in a potentially inhumane manner, that he then desecrated its remains, or that he did this because he was upset with his partner? I certainly would not sentence him to gangrape in prison. And in Illinois, that is what a sentence for this would be. - unless he's lucky and gets ad/seg right off the bat. Someone should tell him to try to kiss a guard on his way to the prison.
As for Olycop's armchair psych, I doubt that this heat of the moment rage is the same thing as a person who tortures animals to see how they will react - and the latter is a clue to serial killer behavior. Taking out the anger on a loved one's pet is not neccessarily progressive toward abuse of one's loved one, any more than becoming a police officer is likely to lead to abuse of one's spouse. Oh, wait... that was a bad example. My bad.
Your bad indeed.
Submitted by Phil Owen on Sun, 09/24/2006 - 12:15pm.This comment was not just a cheap shot, Drew, but it was also inaccurate. DV is about domination and control, not about anger. DV perps are known to keep their victims separated from family, to prevent them from working, grocery shopping, or otherwise going out in public, and also to waking them repeatedly at night to keep them in a sleepless daze. I'm not making this up.
DV is about asserting absolute control over the life of another person. Actual physical violence and threats of violence are not so much actions of anger as they are a twisted and manipulative method of maintaining control. Attacking a partner's pet is not a progression towards domestic violence, it IS domestic violence.
Also, the intention and the target of this particular crime are what distinguishes it from simple animal cruelty. I grew up in Yelm, and heard more than my fair share of nasty stories about what happens to unwanted cats. This is horrible, but does not compare to the human trauma caused by domestic violence.
NOTE: While I am aware that DV rates are more prevalent among police than in the general public, I'm going to ask that you not use my comments for another pot-shot at police officers. Being a police officer is most certainly not the same thing as killing a kitten. And a higher rate of DV among police does NOT indicate that all or even most police officers are DV perps. I imagine that there are a number of social categories that you might fit into in which there is a higher prevalence of some criminal behavior (ie white men/serial killers), but it would seem both silly and disrespectful to underhandedly insinuate that you are a danger because of your social standing. Please don't do so to others.
Huh?
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 8:45am.Uhm, are you serious? You honestly think that being a police officer is a social standing, rather than a career choice? A choice that is made, day after day, as a police officer learns how to use violence and the threat of violence to consistently get his or her way, and then practices the trade which they have adopted? And you don't see how that could directly contribute to their danger to their spouses, or why I could conclude that such a person is more dangerous than a person without that training? HUH? Please explain why the gratuitous comment about a cat-beheading idiot in Illinois being a proto-serial killer if only given enough time escapes your chiding, yet my shot at Olycop's chosen profession gets the wagging finger? Well sheez - maybe I should wag a finger in return... this is really insulting and condescending sheit.