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Submitted by Norm on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 1:11pm.
WARNING: DISTURBING STORY Did anyone read this ? What gets a person that far? I'm not sure why I ever read the news anymore.
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Submitted by Sarah on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:17pm.As for what gets a person that far, I dunno. I'd want to know if alcohol or drugs were involved and who observed what about the man prior. Although truly, I don't want to know, and I really feel for the family and community and emergency workers that have to deal with this.
NORM! NORM! NORM!!
Submitted by hazzardus waste on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 8:17am.Norm is a good guy
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 9:01am.Norm didn't post this to freak us out, he is a compassionate young man struggling like most of us to make sense out of what is just not sensible. Or not exactly to make sense out of this, more precisely to say just what he said: What the hell is wrong with people?
Remember, we don't all have the same motivations, life experience, or perspectives. I might write XYZ because I earnestly want to share something that I think is important, while another person might only write XYZ because they want to confuse and upset us.
I myself am curious about how we all can become media literate and how we can sort out the best media diet for ourselves and our families. I believe that the wash of horrible news affects us much more than we know and that it also doesn't serve increasing public safety at all.
Actually
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 10:29am.HW and I have met. I will pose the same question to you, that I posed to Mike below. When is the last time you heard of something like this happening? I'm not looking to freak people out, or create a gore factor, I simply find this crime to be unbelievable. I wanted other folks thoughts on it.
What you haven't paid attention to, is that it HAS created dialogue, not a lot, but there is some. Now, if I had a habit of posting outlandish stories I could see the attack guys, but when was the last time that I started a thread about something with high gore factor?
norm
Submitted by hazzardus waste on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 4:46pm.maybe someday i will get all the nuances down and figure out how to use this computer and olyblog effectively so people really get the gist of what i'm saying cuz sometimes it seems i spend more time rebutting what i wrote than the original post . so until next time, later tater
Control method
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 5:03pm.HW, you are fine, I don't mean to jump on you. We all have the fun of trying to communicate without the benefit of body language and facial expressions and all. :)
As for control method, yeah, I agree. Much of our media is all about whipping us up without providing any common sense information. Keeps us isolated and ignorant. The steady diet of panic and drama probably just burns us out, making us less effective when we really need to take care of business.
It's pretty hard to read
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 6:38pm.It's pretty hard to read people over a blog, and I have, on occasion, misread what people have written.
I must have missed it 5 years ago. I've heard lots of creepy stuff, but this one made me sick for a day.
Possibly. I really don't feel that we at olyblog are going to contribute to people being scared of his neighbor in our world though. If people are coming here for news they are probably reading cnn or komotv or what not. They probably watch the news in some fashion. Also as Sarah stated, I warned the heck out of people above. I don't want scare anyone into their own home, but let's face it, if you are going to be scared into your own home, reading this story alone isn't going to do it.
My Guess Is...
Submitted by Crusty on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:01pm.Courtesy of Johnny Mercer and Harold Arlen:
Submitted by Mike on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 9:56am.What Jackass is to film, this kind of article is to journalism. Lowest common denominator method to sell papers and manipulate the too-easily manipulated. Without a context for change or some kind of meaningful reflection on this kind of article and how it connects to any of us except through our ability to be manipulated, I think that posting this kind of thing is a disservice to the blogging community. My $.02
It was simply to bring up
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 10:25am.It was simply to bring up discussion. Although not local, many things posted on the blog aren't local. In my 20-some odd years, I have yet to read a story like this. Call it what you will, but it seems to have happend, and isn't something in my normal realm of news. If you can post an article where the circumstances are identical, or almost so, I'll be more than happy to remove the post.
The way I looked at the post is, what brings a person to this? But I'm glad you shared your thoughts about the article in general, instead of about it's content.
prior news
Submitted by hazzardus waste on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 4:58pm.It's schlock journalism.
Submitted by Mike on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 9:37pm.It's like the crazy woman who drowned her two children by putting her car in the lake, or the crazy woman in TX who killed all of her children. Do people do crazy, horrible stuff? Yes, I think they do. Why do they do it? They are nuts. They are completely unhinged in some fundamental way at the moment they do these terrible things. Read the Ann Rule books on sociopathic and psychopathic killers if you want to get in deep with this stuff.
Are we more likely to be better people if we pay attention to these stories or if we spend these precious minutes reading King's speeches on MLK Jr. Day? I'm going with the King speeches.
This post would be meaningful to me if it was posed in the context of should there be capital punishment for some crimes? (I would still think probably not, but I am on the fence if a death sentence was carried out with a morphine drip - a sympathetic and regrettable death instead of a horrible, vengeful process like is currently used)
Aside from the question about why this guy would do this awful crime, why would you post about it? There's a law in the universe that says that what you pay attention to in life you will get more of. So if you look at this kind of horrific crime, you will find it. It may serve to support your political views about law and order to post the most outrageous single crime you can come across, it generates a passion for locking folks up, it ignores the banal nature of most crime and how disconnected most crime is from this kind of psychopathic craziness.
Thanks for being somewhat non-reactive to all the reactions you got on this one.
You lost me
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 11:46pm.You are obviously reading into this far more than I am. Whatever gets you through your nights though mike. I don't read ann rule, I'm not into movies like this.
So if you missed it, I will state it again: It baffled me. I ( just me, I'm not saying it's never happend) have never heard of this happening before in my lifetime. Maybe I wasn't paying attention. I left thread open specifically because I wanted people's thoughts. ie What is a good punishment for a crime like this? What causes a person to bring themselves to this point? etc. It was also brought up at work ( not by me, but I gave input ) and we had a fairly decent discussion about it during lunch. OBVIOUSLY I brought it to the wrong place to discuss it on here because I have people that want to second-guess my motives.
Is this the kind of thing
Submitted by Mike on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 9:59am.Redeeming social value
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 10:37am.Thanks
Submitted by Mike on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 9:16pm.Docent Function
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sat, 01/20/2007 - 10:47am.ps
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sat, 01/20/2007 - 10:49am.The only truly omnipotent social force is that of a truly engaged and activated citizenry.
Whatever happened to sulking
Submitted by OperaGirl on Sat, 01/20/2007 - 12:34pm.Whatever happened to sulking in the corner with me? Hmph!
“Tell me, what is it you plan on doing with your one wild and precious life?” ~ Mary Oliver
yes
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sat, 01/20/2007 - 1:46pm.There's this story out of
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Sat, 01/20/2007 - 1:50am.There's this story out of Tennessee regarding the murders of two college students by (go figure) individuals with extensive criminal records.
Here's another story about an outstanding member of the community, about a 15-year old girl who was sexually assaulted and then murdered.
And one more story, about two individuals who decided to kill one person and wound three others...people they had zero idea who they were.
There are people among us who deserve to have a trial, an appeal (if convicted) and a speedy execution.
As far as I am concerned, "cruel and unusual" is as it would have been understood by the framers when our constitution was written.
And it's not worth going back-and-forth over, either. Rehabilitation has won out and capital punishment is, more than likely, on the way out.
And yet another story about
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Tue, 01/23/2007 - 3:07pm.And yet another story about some of the fine members of society sucking down the same oxygen that you and I enjoy.