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Submitted by Norm on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 1:11pm.

WARNING: DISTURBING STORY

Did anyone read this ? What gets a person that far? I'm not sure why I ever read the news anymore.

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News break

I suggest taking a break from reading news like this, has helped me immensely anyway to do so. If I recall correctly the author of The Gift of Fear writes that he himself doesn't watch local news, because news in general as it is presented now has nothing to do with increasing our knowledge and safety and everything to do with keeping us all whipped up and panicky.

As for what gets a person that far, I dunno. I'd want to know if alcohol or drugs were involved and who observed what about the man prior. Although truly, I don't want to know, and I really feel for the family and community and emergency workers that have to deal with this.
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NORM! NORM! NORM!!

O.K> we know that the world is messed up and if you wanted  to you could spend all day finding items like this in the papers. but the deal is why are subjecting us to this crap!! this is olyblog not national gory news blog. i would hope and suggest that you don't post this crap on olyblog cuz it does not create dialog and i feel you just posted it to freak people out and wern't looking to really say anything beyond the gore factor. i think it is a strange person indeed who would post something like this.
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Norm is a good guy

Really helps to meet people in person and talk with them, might still not necessarily like the individual but it still makes a huge difference. Through text alone we only have limited information upon which to base judgements.

Norm didn't post this to freak us out, he is a compassionate young man struggling like most of us to make sense out of what is just not sensible. Or not exactly to make sense out of this, more precisely to say just what he said: What the hell is wrong with people?

Remember, we don't all have the same motivations, life experience, or perspectives. I might write XYZ because I earnestly want to share something that I think is important, while another person might only write XYZ because they want to confuse and upset us.

I myself am curious about how we all can become media literate and how we can sort out the best media diet for ourselves and our families. I believe that the wash of horrible news affects us much more than we know and that it also doesn't serve increasing public safety at all.
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Actually

HW and I have met. I will pose the same question to you, that I posed to Mike below. When is the last time you heard of something like this happening? I'm not looking to freak people out, or create a gore factor, I simply find this crime to be unbelievable. I wanted other folks thoughts on it.

What you haven't paid attention to, is that it HAS created dialogue, not a lot, but there is some. Now, if I had a habit of posting outlandish stories I could see the attack guys, but when was the last time that I started a thread about something with high gore factor?

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norm

i was not attacking you i just wrote how i felt about the matter. and yes this gory news has happened before in the u.s.a. i meant this to be a bit of criticism and not an "attack". i guess that the filter of the typed word  makes for a lot of miss construed  conversation. a moderate reply sometimes sounds harsh to the recipient. when i really did not mean it to be.  and yes i feel the newspapers write this type of stuff to keep the average guy scared of his neighbor and society in general as a control method.
maybe someday i will get all the nuances down and figure   out how to use this  computer and olyblog effectively so people really get the gist of what i'm saying cuz sometimes it seems i spend more time rebutting what i wrote than the original post  .  so until next time,  later tater
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Control method

and yes i feel the newspapers write this type of stuff to keep the average guy scared of his neighbor and society in general as a control method.

HW, you are fine, I don't mean to jump on you. We all have the fun of trying to communicate without the benefit of body language and facial expressions and all. :)

As for control method, yeah, I agree. Much of our media is all about whipping us up without providing any common sense information. Keeps us isolated and ignorant. The steady diet of panic and drama probably just burns us out, making us less effective when we really need to take care of business.
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It's pretty hard to read

It's pretty hard to read people over a blog, and I have, on occasion, misread what people have written.

I must have missed it 5 years ago. I've heard lots of creepy stuff, but this one made me sick for a day.

Possibly. I really don't feel that we at olyblog are going to contribute to people being scared of his neighbor in our world though. If people are coming here for news they are probably reading cnn or komotv or what not. They probably watch the news in some fashion. Also as Sarah stated, I warned the heck out of people above. I don't want scare anyone into their own home, but let's face it, if you are going to be scared into your own home, reading this story alone isn't going to do it.

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My Guess Is...

What a horrific crime! I am guessing the man is a psychopath Norm. The explosive flip out is fairly typical of one. Sociopaths are more organized and harder to catch. I wouldn't guess drugs and alcohol because he executed the escape pretty methodically. There is a lot of debate in the medical community over how much of criminal behavior is nature (faulty wiring) and how much is nurture (SEVERE child abuse and neglect). I find it interesting to understand what motivates a person to act out like this. As a society, we need to understand what leads to such violent crimes or we can't prevent them. We also need to keep dudes like this one locked up for life! It will be interesting to see if he has priors. I feel awful for everyone who has ever known that man. I'm sure the entire community is stunned by this one. (Sorry, I write crime fiction here.)
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Courtesy of Johnny Mercer and Harold Arlen:

Gather' round me, Eviry body, Gather 'round me While I preach some, Feel a sermon Comin' on me. The topic will be sin And that's what I'm agin.' If you wanna Hear my story, Then settle back And just sit tight While I start reviewin' The additude of doin' right. You've got to Accent-tchu-ate the positive, E-lim-my-nate the negative, Latch on to the affifmative, Don't mess with Mister In-between. You've got to spread joy Up to the maximum, Bring gloom down to the minimum, Have faith, or pandemonium Li'ble to walk upon the scene. To illustrate my last remark, Johah in the whale, Noah in the Ark, What did they do Just when everything looked so dark? "Man" they said, "We better Accent-tchu-ate the positive, E-lim-my nate the negative, Latch on To the affirmative, Don't mess with Mister In-between."

What Jackass is to film, this kind of article is to journalism.  Lowest common denominator method to sell papers and manipulate the too-easily manipulated.  Without a context for change or some kind of meaningful reflection on this kind of article and how it connects to any of us except through our ability to be manipulated, I think that posting this kind of thing is a disservice to the blogging community.  My $.02
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It was simply to bring up

It was simply to bring up discussion. Although not local, many things posted on the blog aren't local. In my 20-some odd years, I have yet to read a story like this. Call it what you will, but it seems to have happend, and isn't something in my normal realm of news. If you can post an article where the circumstances are identical, or almost so, I'll be more than happy to remove the post.

The way I looked at the post is, what brings a person to this? But I'm glad you shared your thoughts about the article in general, instead of about it's content.

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prior news

it has happened before, i think it was in california.same story father & son i don,t want to get in to the details but it has happened  before here in the state of america.  they said he was on a whole bunch of speed and went through some kind of psychosis. i  think it was 5 or more years ago. like the old saw "there ain't  nothing new under  the sun" or history tends  to repeat itself.
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It's schlock journalism. 

It's schlock journalism.  Like the donut appeal article.  It plays to a lowest common denominator.  I don't think it is instructive, or analytical. 

It's like the crazy woman who drowned her two children by putting her car in the lake, or the crazy woman in TX who killed all of her children. Do people do crazy, horrible stuff?   Yes, I think they do.  Why do they do it?  They are nuts.  They are completely unhinged in some fundamental way at the moment they do these terrible things.  Read the Ann Rule books on sociopathic and psychopathic killers if you want to get in deep with this stuff. 

Are we more likely to be better people if we pay attention to these stories or if we spend these precious minutes reading King's speeches on MLK Jr. Day?  I'm going with the King speeches.

This post would be meaningful to me if it was posed in the context of should there be capital punishment for some crimes?  (I would still think probably not, but I am on the fence if a death sentence was carried out with a morphine drip - a sympathetic and regrettable death instead of a horrible, vengeful process like is currently used) 

Aside from the question about why this guy would do this awful crime, why would you post about it? There's a law in the universe that says that what you pay attention to in life you will get more of.  So if you look at this kind of horrific crime, you will find it.  It may serve to support your political views about law and order to post the most outrageous single crime you can come across, it generates a passion for locking folks up, it ignores the banal nature of most crime and how disconnected most crime is from this kind of psychopathic craziness.

Thanks for being somewhat non-reactive to all the reactions you got on this one.
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You lost me

You are obviously reading into this far more than I am. Whatever gets you through your nights though mike. I don't read ann rule, I'm not into movies like this.

So if you missed it, I will state it again: It baffled me. I ( just me, I'm not saying it's never happend) have never heard of this happening before in my lifetime. Maybe I wasn't paying attention. I left thread open specifically because I wanted people's thoughts. ie What is a good punishment for a crime like this? What causes a person to bring themselves to this point? etc. It was also brought up at work ( not by me, but I gave input ) and we had a fairly decent discussion about it during lunch. OBVIOUSLY I brought it to the wrong place to discuss it on here because I have people that want to second-guess my motives.

 

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Is this the kind of thing

Is this the kind of thing the docents should be reviewing and possibly removing almost immediately? I am not generally keen on censorship but using the qualitative judgement normally reserved for pornography - does this kind of posting have any redeeming social value?
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Redeeming social value

I'm not going to speak to the docent question at the moment but I have to jump in briefly on my own about the redeeming social value bit. I'm a blogger that more than occasionally blogs absurdities like caimans setting up manicure stands in downtown Olympia. (So probably I should just stay quiet. :) ) I'm fine with Norm's post, he warned us perfectly, he provided link instead of actual text, plus it is on his own blog.
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Thanks

I like both of the points - the warning and freedom to blog. I have been wondering about the docent function which is why I ask the docent question.
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Docent Function

Basically, the docents are virtually omnipotent. But they are also friendly. So if you have a question, don't hesitate to ask!
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ps

ps: and they're not really omnipotent... I just wanted to revel in it temporarily... sorry.

The only truly omnipotent social force is that of a truly engaged and activated citizenry.

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Whatever happened to sulking

Whatever happened to sulking in the corner with me?  Hmph!

“Tell me, what is it you plan on doing with your one wild and precious life?” ~ Mary Oliver

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yes

I'll get back to you on that.
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There's this story out of

There's this story out of Tennessee regarding the murders of two college students by (go figure) individuals with extensive criminal records.

Here's another story about an outstanding member of the community, about a 15-year old girl who was sexually assaulted and then murdered.

And one more story, about two individuals who decided to kill one person and wound three others...people they had zero idea who they were.

There are people among us who deserve to have a trial, an appeal (if convicted) and a speedy execution.

As far as I am concerned, "cruel and unusual" is as it would have been understood by the framers when our constitution was written.

And it's not worth going back-and-forth over, either. Rehabilitation has won out and capital punishment is, more than likely, on the way out.

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And yet another story about

And yet another story about some of the fine members of society sucking down the same oxygen that you and I enjoy.

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