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Submitted by OperaGirl on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 9:12pm.

...after my son's gymnastics class started I thought I would go walk this path that goes around these man made ponds. It's actually really pretty if you can ignore the big industrial buildings in the background. As I am walking along the birds are chirping and dragonflies are darting around and Mt. Rainier looks gorgeous as always. Coming towards me is a lady with two dogs on leashes and the bigger one immediately starts lunging at me.  We pass and I continue walking along the path which ends up going in a big loop.  I'm sure you can guess that I end up coming across this woman and her dogs again - only this time she has let them off of their leashes.  Of course the lunging dog comes running up at me and the lady is saying "oh he's going to run up beside you now - don't worry"  I keep walking and the dog jumps in front of me, blocking my way and starts growling at me.  The lady says "oh just go ahead and keep walking!"  So I state the obvious and point out that her dog is growling at me.  I try to take a step and he growls more and crouches down a little which scared the hell out of me so I said "Please come get your dog NOW!" and she called to it and it went away.  I have had some horrible experiences with dogs in the past and I am still upset about how inconsiderate this woman was to #1 let her dog run off leash when it was obvious that it wasn't real mellow and #2 to just sit there and let her dog block my path and growl at me not doing anything until I had to practically beg her to get her dog. 

I just find it ironic that so many people talk about how *scary* down town is and the only places I have *scary* things happen are out of down town.  So tomorrow morning I will take my 3 year old down for some pumpkin bread and hot chocolate at B&B and then let him run around Sylvester park where it's safe!  Wink

 

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Hostile Dogs

Maybe the dog just wanted to "play." Maybe not. Better to be safe than sorry. Do you know any self-defense? Can't hurt to know some protective moves.
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Self-defense towards a dog?

Self-defense towards a dog? Buy some pepper spray. Growing up I had two dogs that were mine ( one shared my birthday ) and they were both incredibly docile. I have little to no tolerance for animals who aren't friendly, if they aren't friendly towards everyone they are not suitable "pets" in my eyes and shouldn't be walked around in public, particularly off their leash.

BTW If you want to see a NICE dog, ask to go on a walk with Crusty's pooch.
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I really don't want to walk

I really don't want to walk around with pepper spray in my pocket and the only good defensive moves I know with dogs is to engage their teeth with your leg or butt cheek to spare other body parts. 

There's a woman who walks in Chehalis daily with her two german shepherds.  These dogs don't look friendly to me, and I suspect she owns them because of her own fears.  I appreciate that she keeps them on the leash and I give the group a wide berth.  I guess I can understand a person keeping a protective animal to deal with their own fears, but I don't get a person who lets a growly animal off leash in a public area. 
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I can assure you that it

I can assure you that it did NOT want to play!  He wasn't  jumping around acting like a hyperactive puppy or something...he came and blocked my way - stared me down and growled for a little bit and then when I tried to take a step he crouched down and growled harder.   

"When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different."

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I love my dog. She is one of

I love my dog. She is one of my children, a six-year old Basset. She's the tricolor hound around the Capitol.

As much as I love my dog and I've always grown up with dogs (ALWAYS!), there are some dogs who I would not trust to get within 10 yards of my kids. I trust my Basset 100% around my children and that says a lot. I tried to ride my Basset when i was three years old and learned the hard way. But with my dog, she and I are best buds. I know this may sound stupid, but my wife says I'm sometimes like the Dog Whisperer with her.

There's a pitbull across the street which I get a very bad vibe from and with dogs, I've learned to always trust my instincts. I thought "well...it's a pit and that breed gets a bad rap". No...the vibe I get from Pits are almost entirely bad. And come to find out, the neighbors with the pit said "no, she's not good around other dogs and children". Well goddamn, imagine that!

I've grown up around a lot of dogs, huntin' dogs, high maintenance dogs, and just plain ole mutts. I've had pretty positive experiences for the most part. There are breeds I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole and there are some that are incredible animals.

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Pitbulls

I hear that with pitbulls, it is still pretty much nurture over nature. If a pitbull is raised in a loving and tender environment, although the dog will have energetic physical characteristics, it will not be harmful. However, I think the problem is that people get pitbulls with the notion that the dog will perform a security role. And, it works. Only sometimes it doesn't work out, when the dog gets out and gets to chompin'. Do you know any self-defense techniques when a bad dog comes barking - or chompin in your direction?
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Pepper spray

Pepper spray works wonders, but it's not a magic bullet, and there are cases where it doesn't work, just like with people.

I did use it on two Rots a few years ago. Both of them wanted a piece of me in the worst way. Highly aggressive, snaping, foaming at the mouth and just plain out of control. They both got a healthy dose in the face of 10% pepper spray. One dog dropped and began pawing at his face, the other put the side of his face on the ground and ran away from me at full speed holding his face on the ground, pretty funny sight.

Remember you can use REASONABLE force to protect yourself from a vicious dog, or animal. That includes deadly force,(gun, car, club, etc.) But you can't run over fluffy because she is barking all night and keeping you up.

There are techniques to use if you are under attack by a dog. You can find some on the Net.

I know what NWarty is talking about, we have two standard sized Wire-haired Dachshunds. Wonderful family friends.

As for Sylvester park, well we have never had a serious assault in that park, it is actually the only crime free zone in the city.(rolleyes). Although most people are likely on their best behavior when OG is down there, as they don't want to be on the receiving end of OG's citizens arrest. :)

"The strongest reason to retain the right to keep and bear arms is to protect against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson.

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 "Although most people are

 "Although most people are likely on their best behavior when OG is down there, as they don't want to be on the receiving end of OG's citizens arrest. :)"

Damn straight!

 "When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different."

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Let me tell you......

....it ain't pretty when OG does her citizens arrest.  I always want to be on the same side she is on.


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Right on Sister!

Yes, yes, yes! Been there, done that.

Amazes me to have the experience of telling a dog owner that I don't want to be jumped on by their unleashed dog, while they say "Oh, he never bites.".

Why is respecting another person's personal space suddenly blown to the wind by inconsiderate dog owners? When I have a dog, I want my dog to be safe, including safe from people needing to defend themselves because I'm not taking care of my dog.


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Made a home visit as a

Made a home visit as a social worker a lot of years ago and ran into a pretty aggressive little dog.  The lady says, oh don't mind him, so I walked on in and the dog promptly latched onto my leg.  I could see it coming, but I fell for her line at the door.  So the lady tells well's he's never bit anyone, as he's latched onto my leg, and I say, no, now he's bit someone.  Rest of the interview went better as I recall. If it had been a bigger dog, I don't think I would have taken the chance. 

Another place I used to visit, the grandchildren liked to turn the big dog loose from the back door when state social workers arrived.  I carried a two by four for those home visits, the big dog appeared to recognize the equalizer and kept a safe distance. The grandkids thought I took all the fun out of their day.

But if you walk around with a two by four all the time and you aren't carrying a hammer and nails, folks will draw the wrong conclusions.
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yes, like perhaps you are a

yes, like perhaps you are a wandering advertisement for "Lowes" or "Home Depot".
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Or like you got lost on your

Or like you got lost on your way to the construction site.  Just wandering around with your lone piece of wood.   

"To me, it's a good idea to always carry two sacks of something when you walk around. That way, if anybody says, "Hey, can you give me a hand?" you can say, "Sorry, got these sacks.""

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I love the deep thought

I love the deep thought stuff.  Thanks!
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get the knee up

When I was a little kid, my dad brought home a big german shepard from the base, not even gun shy-- the dog loved us, but was a time bomb...so we all went to dog class-- My big memory is using my knee to push over dogs lunging up-- keep hand at sides and face dog, when jumps, plant back foot and bring knee up to protect gut and face-- point knee into dog and turn dog off (roll it) by moving your knee across body...hope it helps!
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Yes I used to do this with

Yes I used to do this with my dog when I was younger because she would get so damn excited to see me come home from school and such.  I don't mind the jumping so much (although annoying but I do the knee thing even with strange dogs and they seem to get the point!)...it's the biting that concerns me!  =)   

"To me, it's a good idea to always carry two sacks of something when you walk around. That way, if anybody says, "Hey, can you give me a hand?" you can say, "Sorry, got these sacks.""

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