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Submitted by OperaGirl on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 9:57am.
Off the top of my head I came up with these... Louise DuArt (http://www.cbn.com/LivingTheLife/) Jerry Falwell Gary Ezzo The Pearls (www.nogreaterjoy.org and authors of To Train Up a Child) Pat Roberston James Dobson Lisa Whelchel (http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1308220,00.html) I have no doubt that I will think of more but these are the ones that really freak me out. (I didn't put any politicians because they are all scary!)
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Don't forget...
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 10:21am.Majic shean by the
Submitted by Mr. Caiman on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 11:21am."You are Mr. Camian"
That's what I thought bitch.
I hope that you are not
Submitted by OperaGirl on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 7:03pm.Hmmm
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 12:00pm.Al Gore scary? I'd like to
Submitted by actual anna on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 3:49pm.And, well, I'd to hear why everyone else thinks their listed folks are scary. I certainly wouldn't get in any vehicle with Ted Kennedy, that's for sure.
Well, actually
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 4:18pm.Al Gore -- revealed:
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 6:58pm.This interview was before the '00 election.
Thank You, Rick
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 11:38pm."He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself." - T.P.
Anna, if you google any of
Submitted by OperaGirl on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 7:10pm.Oh, I definitely agree with
Submitted by actual anna on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 8:35pm.I hardly see how any of
Submitted by OperaGirl on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 7:11pm.Common thread, all about
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 10:34pm.Sarah Brady - Head spokeswoman and cofounder of former "handgun control Inc." currently the brady campaign to end gun violence.
Dianne Feinstein - California Senator, major contributor to the crafting of the "Assault weapons ban". Very fierce fighter against "civilians" having guns. Has been quoted asking Mr. and Mrs. america, give them up. Also one of the few people in her area to have a concealed weapon permit. Hypocrite?
"Ted" Kennedy - Same bill, and any bill that tries to limit citizens having firearms. I love the bumper sticker "Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns"
Rudy Giuliani - Anti gun Republican...Only in New York could this happen. Now the guy may run for president....good lord
Mike Bloomberg - See above minus the presidential part.
John Kerry - Not only has a BEAUTIFUL anti-gun voting record, but tried to pawn off his hunting "abilities" in order to get some of the vote from rural hunters. Not many of us were fooled.
Al Gore - Although I agreed with many things he stands for. His first run at president he assured the anti-gun groups that he would start a handgun registration in this country. Not cool with me.
Charles schumer - Same boat as Sen. Kennedy and Feinstein.
I also should have added Rosie O'donnell. Not only is she very anti-gun, she feels the need to mock people who don't agree with her beliefs in this particular category ( poor Tom Selleck ), not only does she tout this, but she also insists that her daughter be taken to school by armed body guards. Must be nice to not have to protect yourself by hiring bodyguards. I wonder if the government will supply a bodyguard for everyone if they take away our ability to protect ourselves.
So yeah, that's my list, you may not find them scary, I do.
Dude,
Submitted by Rick on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 6:04am.You need to register your trailer in this country. Do you think the government registers trailers so that they can confiscate them? Why not guns? And people really shouldn't have assault weapons, or any semi-auto weapons at all. If you want to carry your pea-shooter, more power to you.
I gather from our conversations that you're interested in law inforcement. Don't most cops who work in urban environments also support gun control?
From what I've read?
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 8:12am.No, most police chiefs do, and Sheriffs, particularly in big cities, but they are basically politicians. Everything I've read from the street cops KNOW they can't be everywhere to help everyone and want people to be able to help themselves if necessary. Trailers are registered for different reasons, as are cars, etc. They have to pay taxes every year on them, they use roads and let's face it, driving is a priveledge. Being able to protect ourselves is a right. If someone can guarantee me that individuals will never come into harms way after outlawing guns, then great, let's see how it works, but it will never happen. Until then I'll choose to defend myself thanks. By having to register myself just to own a weapon I'm being treated as if I'm a criminal, I'm leaving myself open to a database where people can go through, pick at my name, and know I have firearms in my household, and I'm not ok with that.
Semi-auto weapons have been around for more than 100 years, getting them all gone is about as likely as G.W. Bush volunteering at the Democratic national convention. You can think that people shouldn't have them, but I do think they should have them. Why should the average citizen be the people to give up their weapons? That leaves police, and the criminals being the only ones in control. How many more criminals than police do you think there are? "assault weapons" is just a term that was coined for rifles that are deemed to be "scary" looking. I used a semi-auto rifle while hunting, and although it wouldn't hold as much ammo, it certainly did more damage than any "assault weapon" on the market. I challenge you to browse through the ATF's website and find the percentage of crimes commited by an "assault weapon". It's pretty small, the king is still small handguns, of which some are semi-auto, some are revolver. FYI a revolver typically holds fewer rounds than an auto, but does more damage per round.
Let's face it, even if we could get rid of these guns that are considered so evil, another firearm type would simply pop up and take over the throne. The DC sniping case? They would have been much more effective with a simply hunting rifle. Bigger caliber, higher mortality rate, better accuracy. Want to defeat police armor? Handguns don't work for the most part any longer, but get any old hunting over a certain velocity and kevlar that most cops are wearing becomes null. The hilltop shooting where the guy killed the raver kids? He used an old shotgun, I know quite a few people that don't own handguns, but they still have an old shotgun. Get in close enough and nothing works better than a shotgun.
Gun crime in this nation has little to do with the gun, and more to do with the people. Take away semi-autos and revolvers would start being used. Take away the "assault weapons" and they'll use an old rifle or shotgun. Take away the guns? Well, if they tried taking away the guns I'm sure there would be a civil war.
Have you ever...
Submitted by Rick on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 8:21am.Nope
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 8:55am.Guns and dead people.
Submitted by Phil Owen on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:48pm.When I was about 11 or 12, the one convenience store in the area was robbed. The attackers had no weapons. They just began beating the owner to death. His wife pulled out a gun, aimed it at them, and demanded they leave. They took the gun from her, killed her husband with it (one shot to the head), and shot her through the arm into her chest. My father was a volunteer firefighter, and my mom a doctor. When my dad's pager went off, and they heard there had been a shooting at the community store, both my parents went out the door, leaving my brother and I with the neighbors. They were the first people on the scene. My father performed CPR on the man, not realizing the full extent of his head injury. As he performed a rescue breath, he felt his fingers slip in through the gaping hole in the side of the man's head. My mother cared for the woman, and saved her life. My mom has nightmares to this day.
The robbers were initially only trying to shoplift a pack of cigarettes. The fight erupted when the owner confronted them. He died for a pack of cigarettes.
I remember another incident, this one from when I was an EMT. A 14 year old kid shot himself in the head with the rifle his parents gave to him for Christmas. He was a nice kid. I had given him a ride to school just a few weeks earlier. The bullet went in under his chin, and came out behind his ear. His parents screamed and vomited as we worked on him.
I responded to another call where a middle aged man put a handgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. I cannot tell you how horrific it feels to smell the odor that comes from inside another person's head.
To be really, really honest, I can't remember the majority of suicide calls I ran on. A lot of them used guns.
I don't know what I think regarding gun laws. I understand that you own guns, Norm, and I respect your right to do so. BUT DON'T EVER BRING ONE OF THOSE FUCKING THINGS AROUND ME.
Unfortunately
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 10:00pm.My Dad was a firefighter and medic for a few years. He had quite a few stories regarding suicides that didn't happen quite as quickly as people might think. I have no doubt about the destructive capabilies they hold, and that some people choose to use them to try and end their life. I worked with a patient for weeks that failed in his attempt. It was really heart-wrenching. They can be used for some terrible things, but there are still those of us who use them responsibly and have never hurt a fly. If I wasn't so passionate about the issue, and just chose not to talk about it, I'm sure nobody would have the faintest clue that I even owned one.
We shouldn't even be
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 8:24am.We shouldn't even be required to register our transportation (so that should let you know where I stand on firearms, whose access is guaranteed by the Constitution).
It's ridiculous the amount of taxation on one automobile. Purchase a new car? Taxes.
A sale between two private citizens? Taxes. This is why I love the bumper sticker "Don't Steal. The Government Hates Competition."
EDIT: The previous statement is like saying, "Have you ever had to exercise your Fifth Amendment guarantees?" No, I haven't. That doesn't mean I don't like them to be there.
"I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance."
I just wanna throw this into the soup:
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 8:46am.You do have a point
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 8:59am.I actually think it's time
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:06am.I actually think it's time to examine whether or not driving should be guaranteed the same way firearms are.
"I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance."
Police Chiefs and Sheriffs.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 12:16pm.The argument of "what's the use?" doesn't hold a lot of weight with me, because there's really nothing to it. Why do we try to solve any problems? Aren't more problems just going to rise up? What's the use?
I think there are some who would get rid of all guns if they could. Not me, and not most people. Most people, like me, want to make sure that an automatic weapon doesn't get into the hands of someone who would do harm to others with that weapon. A waiting, or "cool off" period seems like one reasonable step. Background checks are another. We were told to swallow the fact that our government was spying on us because if we have nothing to hide, we have nothing to worry about. Well, the same can be said of background checks, right? If background checks keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals who are at risk to reoffend, and in the hands of those who would use them for self defense, hunting or recreation, isn't that reasonable?
"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself." - T.P.
Actually
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 1:15pm.This is where I get into trouble with both sides. I'm sure Police Chiefs and sheriff's are great guys, they also are no longer on the street seeing what happens when they can't get to a crime scene soon enough. They frequently ( and sarah brady loves to say this ) are quoted as saying something, and news media takes this as meaning that the police department, or sheriffs office ALL think that way. They may see the bigger picture, but they have to please their bosses too, which means city council, mayor, and many different groups. I'm sure that Gary Edwards is pretty pro-gun, on the other hand if you talk with the L.A. county sheriff he may have a different view. Does this mean that nationally we should change laws in order to make L.A. safer when we are doing fine here in Thurston county? If the police chief of Chicago PD thinks guns are bad ( handguns are illegal in Chicago ) does that mean police in the US all think guns are bad?
This state actually has a waiting period for handguns. It also has background checks for all modern firearms. I have nothing against either of these. Although they are both a pain in the butt for we folks that are responsible and perfectly legal to own firearms, the system is designed to keep firearms out of the hands of bad people. That being said, if you have a concealed pistol license ( background check, fingerprinting, basically held to a higher standard because of the ability to carry in public ) you no longer have a waiting period and can take the handgun home with you once your background check clears. I, personally, have never had to wait, my background check with the FBI takes all of 3 or 4 minutes and I'm out the door. The only time this is bypassed is personal sales, and gun shows. Unfortunately to do that you need to fill out paperwork which is filed with the local sheriff and you are now on a list of gun owners. Ask Olycop how difficult it is to run someone's name and see how many firearms they've purchased. Big brother is already watching me in this state, I'd rather not be held in a national database ( the ATF is supposed to dispose of firearms records after 3 months, gunshops however keep their forms for many years, so if you want to steal a gun, steal the gunshops information folder, easy picking )
I'm not sure I agree with people who say, "If you have nothing to hide, what are you afraid of?" I'd just rather keep my firearm ownership to myself. Check my background, make sure I'm an ok guy, if I screw up then keep track of me. Until I do something wrong though can't I reasonably expect to have my ownership private? Thank God they don't track men's magazines.
Men's magazines
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:04pm....
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:23pm.It's a well known fact that
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:29pm."He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself." - T.P.
Hey! I heard that!
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:51pm.With half a million
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:49pm.Just kidding, though.
They follow subscriptions and credit card purchases, as you pointed out, and they also buy lists. It's pretty common in the business arena to have this kind of information, it's just a little hop-skip-and-a-jump to advocacy groups having it. They do have quite a bit of money for a little knitting circle, you know. They're also researching how to use information from RFID chips, when those become more widely-used. Magazines will probably be among the first items to be "chipped", along with other items whose marketers need to be uber-responsive to fickle buyers.
Keep in mind, this is not a major intelligence project or anything. They probably have their interns work on it. It's certainly not a focus of the organization.
No
Submitted by OlyCop on Sun, 07/23/2006 - 12:39pm.Most do not.
But of those that do, most are administrators and do so for political reasons.
I am frightened
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 5:06pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
Disturbing
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 5:23pm.I agree totally with
Submitted by OperaGirl on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 7:12pm.So far, I haven't seen the
Submitted by No One on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 5:42pm.Bush
Cheney
Rumsfeld
(Okay, so it's four if you count Gonzales)
Maybe it went without saying, but I said it anyway.
EDIT: I missed the part about people other than politicians. Nevermind...
Rumsfeld
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 8:09pm.Poetry of Donald Rumsfeld
The Situation
Things will not be necessarily continuous.
The fact that they are something other than perfectly continuous
Ought not to be characterized as a pause.
There will be some things that people will see.
There will be some things that people won't see.
And life goes on.
—Oct. 12, 2001, Department of Defense news briefing
What a great and
Submitted by stevenl on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 6:39pm.I think we have all done
Submitted by OperaGirl on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 7:22pm.Oh, OperaGirl, you are in
Submitted by stevenl on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 7:43pm.Well, if you need some ideas...
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 8:10pm....those of us who've been caiman foster parents could give you a few tips. We've seen some tantrums, boy howdy!
We're also available for drinking, if it comes to that.
Tantrums
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 8:19pm.(Does this count as a slip in my Caiman Abstainence Program? Just pretend I didn't write about this or about that other thing tonight. )
you might need this
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 8:21pm.Just might help you if used in moderation.
"I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
Yummy!
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 8:24pm.What Norm said
Submitted by OlyCop on Sun, 07/23/2006 - 12:50pm.Laughing or crying? Were you
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Sun, 07/23/2006 - 10:37pm.Bill O'Reilly!
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 07/23/2006 - 4:35pm.