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Submitted by Rick on Mon, 04/10/2006 - 5:45am.

Remember Bill, who was banned from Heritage Park? Well, it looks like he's gettin his day in court:

He is appealing the $101 ticket for failing to obey the regulatory sign and directions while walking on the road toward the hillside trail.

“I’m pretty sure we’ll win,

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So now the cops have to say

So now the cops have to say please, when they are enforcing the law?!

So it goes like then then? Please don't speed, please don't beat the crap out of your wife, please don't tie the gay guy to the fence and beat him to death, please don't rob the bank.

Billy boy ain't received his claim, so he hadn't better be spending his spoils at the food co-op just yet.

I find it interesting that Billy says xyz happened that day and people are taking it as the God's honest truth. Like Billy, a human, would never lie, exaggerate, or inflate to improve his position. And the evil Mr. Policeman was a red-eyed demon wielding his power for his own personal pleasure.

I'm sure there are two sides to the story, and it will come out in court. If the copper screwed up, he will get slapped around in court. I'm guessing that Billy is contesting his ticket, not appealing it, right? Because if he was appealing it, that would mean he had lost the first go at it in front of a judge.

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I read the original story

I read the original story and, for the time, am going to base my information on Bill's side of the story (since there really isn't another side that I know of).

I think it was stupid for him to get a ticket for walking where he shouldn't have been (or something along those lines).

With that said, I think it was stupid in the first place for Bill to get bent out of shape because someone didn't say "please."

If other people were walking along a trail and you're being asked to stay off of the trail, just ask why.

You don't need to start demanding answers and whatnot (because I've seen first-hand the way some of the locals "ask" police a question), just say, Hey, all of these people are walking on the trail but I'm the only one being asked to get off of it. What am I doing differently? I just have a hard time believing Citizen Joe was walking on a trail and ended up with a ticket from the State Patrol. I know that's how the situation was described but, and I'm only basing my opinion on interactions with people throughout my life, I just doubt it was as rosy as painted by Bill.

Maybe I'm wrong, who knows? That's why we're allowed to have our day in court.

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I don't understand

how he can sue for $6,000. How exactly did thirty days of not being allowed in the park damage him? How did it cost him $200 per day? Does anyone have any idea?
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I would be curious about

I would be curious about that portion, too.

$200 a day because he couldn't be in the park!

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Rob, exactly! But he's not

Rob, exactly! But he's not suing, which would be a loser as you point out. He has filed a claim with the State. They will likely say NO, and then Billy can decide his next step.
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I think Billy will likely

I think Billy will likely win his court case if things are as he says. The signage down there is poor and enforcement is......well except for Billy there is none probably. Yeah, I think it was an attitude ticket. And even if Billy wins, he has lost. He has lost time and energy at least. And if he has retained an attorney, he has lost more than the $101.00 fine amount. I predict though, he won't get one red cent from his claim.

I wonder how supportive everyone that supports Billy in his claimed injustice would be if the State decided to close that road completely because of Billy and his antics?

I know I would be pissed at Billy as we use that road, but we are respectful........respectful, that might have saved Billy some angst.

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Missed the point entirely...

If you actually read the website (Bill's version of the story) then it is clear that the officer took offense that Bill (a civilian!) questioned his authority, when Bill asked the officer to clarify whether the request was to abide by the officer's preference, or state statute. Rather than just say "Yes, it is the law" and be done with it, the officer escalated and retaliated. The officer can be as legal as a bean, but still be rude.

With people of Bill's class (managerial types) a certain amount of deference is expected. When he didn't give the officer that deference, the officer got mad and used his petty authority to punish Bill. If Bill had been a homeless person, Bill would likely have suffered violence or a direct threat of violence, assuming he would have lost his head enough to give the officer any guff at all.

I've walked in the area described, and it is easy to see how the path / road can be dual use. It was petty and silly for the officer to make a point of shooing people away from it, at the 5-10mph speeds it is used for. There was no signage. There is an intersection where the path directly comes out onto the road, such that the road makes more sense for some (especially joggers) to use, coming from the bridge. Especially if one wants to visit the memorial to all those dead police officers. It's up the hill toward the Temple to Injustice.

Trouble is, someone did a study (1970's) of police who get killed by people they contact and found out that cops who are polite get killed more often. So some contact doctrine actually argues for being gruff and demanding "to show strength" all the time, with everyone. But what happens if that rudeness escalates into an argument? A cop can be legal as a bean and still have PTSD from killing a civilian, or get shot for being an ash whole. In the middle there are a lot of "attitude tickets." From there it is a slippery slope to asking for "a little BJ" to get out of that 'no insurance' ticket.

Your assertion that we all have a day in court to face the officer is absurd. Have you BEEN to court recently? I NEVER see officers explain themselves in court, and on the few occasions which are exceptions, they lied... It's 99% pleadings of guilty (often for a lesser offense) to avoid all of that risk. You think the officers are right that often? I seriously doubt it.

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Drew

I'm having trouble following what you're saying. Could you spell it out simple-like, for us of little understanding? For starters, who are you arguing against?
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