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Submitted by Rick on Wed, 12/20/2006 - 1:17pm.

With the New Year coming, I'm thinking of ways to make OlyBlog even better. One long-standing issue with the present system, for example, is that OlyBlog editorial policy has been a bit of an enigma to some. In particular, some have had difficulty with the notion of a community blog, with no one person determining the content of the posts (apart from topic). I've also noticed that some people think of "Rick" and "OlyBlog" as the same thing, as if everything that I say is the Official OlyBlog Position (thanks to enpen for helping me understand this phenomenon).

So, with the goal of placing OlyBlog on a more transparent foundation, I'd like to suggest the following changes:

  • Instead of having a somewhat mysterious set of moderators, I suggest that we elect a board of docents to run the blog. Docents would be responsible for tracking day-to-day activity on the blog. I'm assuming that docents would also be moderately active contributors themselves (although this wouldn't necessarily have to be the case). I think one year would be a reasonable commitment for a docent.
  • Most of the content on OlyBlog is generated directly by users. However, there are other sources. One docent would receive email submissions. One docent would be in charge of monitoring each of the local lists (e.g., OMJP, TESCCRIER, etc.) for relevant content. Another would search external media (Google video, YouTube, other blogs, newspapers, etc.).
  • "Rick" would come off the front page as the ultimate decision maker. Difficult calls about content or organization of the blog would be decided in most cases by agreement among the docents, in consultation with all the users.
  • Docents would be listed on a sidebar on the front page, making the structure of the blog more apparent to all.

If this seems like a good plan, the first step would be to take nominations for docents. I think that there should be at least 5 positions to begin with.

Update: Nominations thus far -- Rob R., Emmett, Sarah, Norm, Jade, enpen, TFI, NWarty, Rob W., OperaGirl...

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This sounds like a good idea

This sounds like a good idea actually. Although we should be careful not to get into campaign smears Wink 
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Sounds great, I volunteer to

Sounds great, I volunteer to help.

"Only a fool lets somebody else tell him who his enemy is. -Assata Shakur

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Is it too pretentious to

Is it too pretentious to nominate oneself? If not, then I throw my hat into the ring. And, I grab the hat off of Sarah's head and throw it in too.
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What Emmett Said

What Emmett said is what I was going to write, only reverse as appropriate. I also nominate Rob Richards, I like his touch here.
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Excellent Idea!

I, for one, think this is a very sound idea. I know not for which positions, but I nominate Norm, Rob R., Emmett, Rick and Sarah.

"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."

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I nominate...

...Jade and enpen for docents.


When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
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Rick stole my thunder

I was going to nominate Jade and enpen as well.

"Only a fool lets somebody else tell him who his enemy is. -Assata Shakur

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All good choices, all good people, but

I would like to see someone more conservative as a docent too, so I nominate Norm or if he declines, TFI, or NWarty, whomever has time to do the job.

"The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page." Saint Augustine (354-430 AD).

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I think I'm part of the

I think I'm part of the problem.

NWarty would be good, though.

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TFI

TFI, I don't see you as part of a problem at all, you along with many of us have come a long way here through OlyBlog.

I agree, NWarty would be great.
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Great idea, Rick!

Great idea, Rick!
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OlyBlog Evolution

I like this idea too. I don't know how to handle the voting, but I agree that there should be some fairness and balance on the board of docency. I also think we should aim for decency in the docency.
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More nominations

I nominate enpen, Jade, and Norm also.
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nominating process

Maybe, instead of nominating people, those who want to be a docent could come forward, and then a vote could take place. The reason I say this is because I don't think the process should become a popularity contest.
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Popularity Contest v. Nomination

But then, maybe I am just being a ninny. Does my concern about popularity contests resonate with anyone else? It's possible that I am only projecting my own hurt at not being nominated. I am a big boy though, and don't worry, I'll get over it!

I think it would be great to increase transparency and promote a more organized structure for OlyBlog.

And if this is a popularity contest, then I nominate bubbaz - he is the obvious choice!

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Re: popularity contests - it

Re: popularity contests - it usually ends up happening on every message board/blog group I have ever been a part of.  One was really blatant and titled "who's your favorite <name of message board> member?" and a lot of people ended up feeling hurt which seems silly since it's on the internet but it still happened. I know that is not what was intended here but  I think maybe it's just human nature to want to be loved!  =) 

Don't worry though - I am never one of the popular ones either!  =)  So we can sulk in the corner together.  Ha.

"She grew on him like she was a colony of E.Coli, and he was room-temperature Canadian beef."

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^_^

Thanks OG, I feel better to know that you understand how I feel.
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I guess...

...you two are too polite to nominate yourselves, so I'll have to do it for you: I nominate RobW and OG for docents.


When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
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2nd that motion

Both RobW and OG would be great docents.
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Decency in the Docency

Thanks for the nomination Rick, but I am going to have to decline. I think there are others who can serve as docent better than I can serve. Maybe some other time, I will feel more capable of faithfully and thoroughly fulfilling this duty.

Thanks also to Sarah, for your kind words.

I am not sure that I would be a decent docent. It sounds like a lot of work.

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In general...

...I think of this more along the lines of a job application, rather than as a popularity contest. This is a community service position -- there's work to be done with little in the way of perquisites.


When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
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I'm new around here and

I'm new around here and still figuring out who is who, but so far I'd be behind Sarah and enpen. As an outsider, those two really stand out as level headed natural leaders. 
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don't let the sheen fool you...

...my pate slopes and plummets quite severely, and you're only as outside as you want to be. OlyBlog wrapped my family up in active caring community before we even became Olympians.

"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."

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Disinformation etc

Is there a policy regarding the posting of disinformation?   US Public policy has impact in the world, just go ask anyone in Najaf or Ramallah or Guatemala City if you would like to confirm that. This is a bully pulpit to a certain extent and to the extent that the bandwidth is used to disseminate disinformation that helps form US public policy, and to the extent that the moderators/docents (call them what you will) tolerate disinformation, then this website is a vehicle for atrocities in the world.

I realize that we Americans prefer a sanitized world view, one where we are not exposed to the pictures of people blown apart by our military and economic policies, one where we think that the oil and gas that we consume is not stolen through military power, one where we think that as Ronald Reagan did that trees cause pollution because it allows us to continue consumption without feeling guilt or concern.  A world where it makes sense to pour hydrocarbons into bulldozers and knock down trees instead of climbing the things with a pruning saw and a safety rope. 

The problem with the sanitized world view is that to the extent that Americans don't understand that our way of life comes at a terrible price for other citizens of the planet, then we will be surprised when they show up at our doorstep someday with box cutters and homicidal/suicidal intent and in the aftermath, in our shock and horror at seeing what death and mayhem look like, we will be treated to non-sensical explanations such as "they hate us for our freedoms" and we are off on a new sanitized holy war to protect our way of life.

The recognition of the dynamics of world politics, global conflict, environmental destruction, justice and equity are at stake on a little blog like this one.  What is your responsibility in making this bandwidth available? 
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Good question

Our responsibility is to overcome the fear that is used as a weapon to beat the American population into submission so that the atrocities you enumerate can be achieved without vigorous dissent. The way that we overcome that fear is by talking to each other, hence this blog. Further, that is why we accommodate a wide variety of viewpoints: so that those who are more fearful can express those feelings and come to a different understanding of the world. In short it is a process.

It seems that what you have to express right now is anger. That's ok, too. But let's keep things straight: you're not angry at us, you're angry at Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, CNN, FOX, NBC, CBS, ABC, the NYT, WashPost, etc., etc. It seems to me that what we need here is clarity, not confusion. And we need allies, not more enemies. Anger, while important, is not stable enough by itself to build a sustained organization on. We also need community. The way you talk to does not help build the strength in this community that is necessary to counteract the forces we face.


When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
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Excellent answer

Anger, while important, is not stable enough by itself to build a sustained organization on. We also need community.
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Well, Olyblog is a great

Well, Olyblog is a great blog if I could tolerate the constant background chatter about sniper rifles, bulldozers, caterpillar references, etc. 

But I can't tolerate it. The glorification of violence and stupidity should be shunned. 

Angry?  Oh yeah.  Look at the mess we are leaving for my children and grandchildren.  And I claim all the young ones as my grandchildren in my own indigenous human experience.

Thomas Payne was not well-loved or even kindly thought of by the founding fathers even though his pamphlet Common Sense had much to do with raising the issues that led to the revolution in this country.  I think the guys like Hamilton, Franklin et al referred to him as a mongrel or a cur.

So I see things posted here that support and sustain the unsupportable.  A sustenance of the culture wars that make us Americans uncomfortable and make brown people around the world dead.  Given the stakes, I choose to make Americans uncomfortable because I believe that we should recognize that the brown people on the other side of the planet have a simple right to be alive that we Americans constantly abuse.

I grew up in the South with the KKK and the KKK had power until it became socially awkward for anyone to support it publicly.  That was a hateful and angry process full of hard feelings with folks like me and my family called nigger-lovers.  And I wouldn't change that history if I could.

Today, the KKK shows up as the NRA and the culture wars continue and privileged white folks whine about their pension issues and support the politics of death for other peoples whose interests don't recognize the absolute right of whitey to have his guns, his pension, and his SUV.

I respect and understand the impulse to remain polite and politic in these discussions, but I can do it more easily when we are killing a few folks on the other side of the planet while we continue polite discussion, I don't think I should remain polite and politic when we are killing people on a wholesale scale as we are today.  I think in those times I owe it to my brown grandchildren on the other side of the planet to raise my voice and confront the people who support and continue the killing.  It doesn't matter to a person in Ramallah or Najaf if the support for their deaths is subtle or explicit, they still get killed.  And of course, the blood is not on our hands, right? 

We are polite and shocked by the sight of blood and mayhem. 

If I and my kind had been more polite in the south with the disassembly of the KKK and its overt power structure, maybe we wouldn't have the culture wars we have today.  Maybe the south would not vote as a largely republican block and give us the politics of wholesale human death and commercial environmental destruction.  But that polite tradition meant that we would have to stare longer at the strange fruit still hanging from the trees on occasion and that was really intolerable to some of us.

The choice to speak out harshly against the KKK meant you just didn't want to recognize all the viewpoints in the community and to engage them in a meaningful and changing dialogue.  Sure they lynch people occasionally, but it takes a lot of polite talk to help folks realize how awful that is.  A lot of us just couldn't engage in any more polite talk with those folks.  We talked rough with them.  We were the bad guys. We were willing to destroy a polite and stable community simply because we thought that trash like Emmet Till should be allowed to live.  What were we thinking?

Today, Emmet Till is probably named Mahmoud something.  Where is my sniper rifle?
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hey Mike

I'm all for you making us uncomfortable. I think that's an extraordinarily valuable social catalyst. Where I take exception with your stance is your "my way or the highway" rhetoric. Are we an unsustainable culture? I believe it. Are we responsible for death and mayhem throughout the world to the tunes of political hegemony and comfort? I'm pretty damn certain the answer is "yes." Is a polar flip in American consciousness going to happen if people are brow beaten with the truth? Probably not.

As a thought experiment, imagine our society as one of addicts. Petroleum is obvious and often referred to, but apply it to all of our comforts: our flat screens, gigantic choice laden supermarkets, ready and available food, the connotative association of America = power, our multiple pairs of shoes, our huge cars that let us survey the concrete order we've thrust on top of an otherwise chaotic existence, our burnt same-here-same-in-China coffee, our cheap beef, our one-job tools, and on and on and on.

How many addicts immediately cease their behavior when shown the actual vs. perceived cost? Why should we expect this to be anything other than a laborious and hard earned process? Yes, there are white supremacists in the NRA. As there are in the AMA. Why throw people with some similarities under the same bus? Might there not be a universe where some of the people you quickly eschew are convinced by example rather than pictures or words?

"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."

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The "my way or the highway"

The "my way or the highway" is like this:

Should Olyblog or any responsible venue for citizen journalism allow a person to post an article like the environmental disinformation post that olycop posted a week or two ago? 

I appreciate that with a little real investigative journalism techniques - going to the source, putting the stats in context - that Olycop's post was exposed as the disinformation that it is, but there are culture wars afoot and lives are at stake, and by supporting this disinformation post, Olyblog gives traction to the disinformation meme.

I think that's a great disservice to the planet.  What do you think?  Should a docent or a blog administrator feel responsible for content and "truthiness?" 

Look back through the blog and just count the gun threads and how often a different discussion gets turned to the "they're going to take my guns away" meme.  Should a docent or blog administrator feel responsible to limit this sad, old meme?  It's a rovian tactic that serves an overclass by manipulating working class with an average IQ in the 90 range - most of our electorate, and the end result is a corporate supreme court who will gut what is left of our civil liberties. Same tactic and endgame with abortion, burning babies, partial birth abortion.  It's awful, but cluster bombs are cool.

I respect your pov enpen. I think you are ethical and honest.  I would have other questions, but they would depend on your answers to the questions above.

In Germany in the 30's I would have opposed any anti-semitic discussion. I would have said, stop the discussion.  Censor it.  Slam it.  Allow it no traction. I would no doubt have been seen as promoting a "my way - highway" choice, but sometimes when you can see where things will lead, you may decide you have to limit your tolerance for a greater good. 

Olyblog is not a good fit for me because I am not interested in discussion with idealogues from the right. I am interested in discussion with progressives about how to create a sustainable, just, and peaceful future.  Conversing with folks who think sniper rifles are beautiful and that arabs hate us for our freedoms is a waste of my time.   I do not believe these folks will not change their minds and they sap the energy of progressives, they keep us busy talking, thinking if we are polite and reasonable with them, that eventually they and we will develop some middle ground that is good for all.  I just don't think that is likely. 

I only post here now if Rick or other progressives seem annoyed at the intransigence and duplicity of the right wingers with the thought that at some point, Olyblog might decide that giving the bandwidth to the right is a mistake, that it reduces the opportunity for progressives to really brainstorm about how to move this country toward a politic where we want to get clean water, adequate food, and  childhood innoculations for Mahmoud instead of reaching for the beautiful sniper rifle. 
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I don't think...

...it was a disservice to the planet that we had false or misleading information posted on the blog. I think that people can tell the difference between propaganda and weak argumentation on the one hand, and science and logic on the other hand. It is useful to go through the processes of refuting the wrong-headed thinking on the blog, in full view, for everyone to see. In fact, it is a public service, and you're missing a huge opportunity to educate people by not engaging folks who think in ways that you find destructive to the environment or humanity.

The bandwidth is not in short supply, Mike. We got plenty. If you'd like your message to be heard by the good people of Olympia, please take advantage of this channel to express it. But please also keep in mind that part of what we're trying to overcome here is the polarization, because that is what allows the big boys to do such bad things.


When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
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beautiful citizen journalism

"Should Olyblog or any responsible venue for citizen journalism allow a person to post an article like the environmental disinformation post that olycop posted a week or two ago?"

Yes. Rick answered this point with the same reasoning I use for encouraging dialogue, that in order to counter disinformation memes "(i)t is useful to go through the processes of refuting the wrong-headed thinking on the blog, in full view, for everyone to see.". While I would substitute 'misinformed' for "wrong-headed", this is precisely why I think the web and its mass communication possibilities are necessary in the education against disinformation. Without a forum for debate right-sounding ideas remain right-sounding regardless of their veracity (3% isn't an amazingly huge amount worth being alarmed over, for example). The web and OlyBlog make it so that a docent or a blog administrator need not be solely responsible for "truthiness", rather, we all are. As Dan Gillmore says in We the Media: "To the extent that people become more engaged with the events around them, and especially to the extent that they become journalistic activists, they will be making better citizens of themselves. Tomorrow needs them." Our History books are littered with all kinds of falsifications that went unchallenged to the point of becoming cultural doctrine precisely because there wasn't a mass forum available for those who knew the truth. Forums like OlyBlog are precisely where we can try to work against the tides of disinformation memes.

You're right, the gun issue is an excellent example of a disinformation meme in action. As the initial assault rifle bans were directly aimed at disarming a radical Black Panther party, it's true that the U.S. Government has worked to disarm its populace as a means of control and intimidation. Yet, somehow this has been perversely twisted so that people invested in maintaining the status quo are worried about their government taking away their guns, while people arguing for social change are often found fighting for even more guns to be taken away further disempowering the citizens of a corporate sponsored government which openly supports fascist regimes abroad.

The abortion topic is, I feel, primarily an idealogical battle being waged through the English language. Choosing the term "pro-life" was a moment of linguistic genius when what they really stand for is 'pro forcing a woman to carry a developing potential human to term without Quality social assistance after the delivery (and often before) despite its ramifications upon her body and mind, but, to expect said society's scorn should the developing potential human develop into a criminal." Instead of having to defend this position the anti-choice crowd automatically assumes the moral high ground of protecting life whether or not they believe in protecting the lives of non-Americans, other animals, reptiles, and plants (as the name actually denotes). How do we work against such a thing? Again, I contend, by publicly contesting it and exposing its twisted logic (by publicly repeating its inconsistencies even when speaking with those who know, for example).

You bring up the example of Nazi Germany to exhibit the value of censorship. I would contend that anti-Jewish sentiment gained such a foothold precisely because it wasn't publicly addressed at an early stage, rather the Nazi party was seen as a bunch of fringe lunatics not worth the time and energy to actually address. Once the Nazi party gained power and the concentration camps were running the majority of Germany lived in ignorance as to what actually happened to their former neighbors. Would that the web had been available then so that images, videos and first person accounts could be quickly disseminated amongst the ignorant masses. While I (and I'm guessing you as well) told anyone and everyone that inhumane attrocities would naturally result from a war with Iraq it certainly didn't crack the veneer of social ignorance enough to stop the attack, so imagine how long even more people would continue to buy Bush Corp.'s lies about torture, rape and wanton murder being committed in the name of America without the mass public forum of the internet. Citizens of the Earth are now able to constantly provide us with the facts necessary to turn people away from disinformation who would otherwise be too passive to question or were caught within its meme. What good does that information do us if we're not actively using it to contest further attempts to obfuscate and/or lie?

My ideal society has the freedom to make choices based on verifiably factual information. I see OlyBlog as a great start in separating fact from fiction.

"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."

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Sometimes

just sometimes, you write something up Enpen, and it makes me smile.
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Smile, me too

but with the roll of eyes and a shake of the head. That's about the most patronizing post yet by enpen.

"The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page." Saint Augustine (354-430 AD).

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oh please

Patronizing? And just who have I managed to treat in a condescending manner? Or wait, you meant that in the sense that my post exhibited about the greatest trade with the "business" (i.e. OlyBlog)? Or, no...you're not...no way are you attempting to dismiss my response without any actual thoughtful analysis on your own part by labeling it "patronizing", are you?

"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."

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Nice to have you back Mike

With you gone, I had to resort to reading the comics for a laugh.

"The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page." Saint Augustine (354-430 AD).

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all animosity aside

Do you have a response to his points, or just snide comments?

"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."

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Nope

Actually I should have resisted the snide comment as I have done with Mike in the past.

I have given up trying to discuss things with Mike. Mike comes across here as a very close minded individual. And his style, more than his beliefs, just pisses me off.

"The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page." Saint Augustine (354-430 AD).

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There is no point

Anytime we address his points it then turns into him belittling us further and getting us excited. I just skim over his posts anymore and ignore him. He brings nothing useful to the table (imo) and is unwilling to listen. Why would I spend my time addressing his points if he already has his mind made up about issues (and people) and isn't willing to look into other possibilities?
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I don't suffer fools gladly, but

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.  Eleanor Roosevelt.

Neither can I make you little.  Be big.  Be smart.  Be brave.  I have some hope for you that is independent of whether you have any interest or understanding of my hope for you.

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Wow

this thread got popular.
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no kidding

I didn't even post "If I'm a docent..." manifesto yet.
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If I'm a docent...

Cookies and pony rides for all!

Also, I'd really prefer not to be one.

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Doesn't Donuts for Decent Docents = Doughy Docents?

So, back on track here, folks. How will the docents be selected?

Election option: Since Rick has thrown this idea into the ring, I propose he manages the elections, with an extra ballot space for not having docents at all and exploring an alternative method of managing this thing of ours. I would also like to read a statement by each nominee before voting.

Appointment option: As the founding father of OlyBlog, I think it is perfectly within Rick's right to simply appoint a board, and we can have an election down the line after we see how it works. After all, even though he might be modest about this, Rick is the one who has set the tone here and got the ball rolling.

Election/Appointment of representatives: Maybe board positions could be classified into categories (e.g. Downtown rep, Environmental watch, Events, Dadaist, etc.) and OlyBloggers could run for certain jobs that need to be done?

Just brainstorming.

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I like the idea of Rick

I like the idea of Rick choosing the first time around, just to get things moving. Rick, you've probably got the best idea of what needs to be done, and can teach whoever you select. I think after the selections are made, a process can be created by that group.

"Only a fool lets somebody else tell him who his enemy is. -Assata Shakur

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Hopefully...

This doesn't turn out like Lord of the Flies.

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Me too

I also like the option of Rick deciding at least the first time around.
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How on earth did I miss this

How on earth did I miss this thread? Surprised

Been pretty busy folks. Lurking a lot and not posting too much these days.

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