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Submitted by Rick on Thu, 04/06/2006 - 4:45pm.

From The Billings Gazette.com [via olyunity]:

Montana's history is full of examples of racist and anti-government bullies trying to run roughshod over communities. In the early 1990s, a group of neo-Nazi skinheads terrorized Billings' Jewish community. It began with cemetery vandalism and escalated to a brick being thrown through the front window of a Jewish family's home. In the mid-1990s, the Montana Freemen formed their own illegal courts and issued death warrants for criminal justice employees in Eastern Montana. In 2001, David Burgert and Project 7, a militia group, compiled hit lists containing personal information about criminal justice employees and their families in the Flathead area. Beginning in 2004, Kevin McGuire, a racist recruiter in Bozeman, posted false and misleading propaganda about local citizens on racist Web sites before running for the local school board.

Not in our state

The logical question to ask in all of these cases is: What happened? With the Montana Freemen and Project 7, group activists were arrested and sentenced to prison. In Bozeman, Kevin McGuire remains on the streets. However, thanks to the network and its Bozeman affiliate, the people of Bozeman have a clear picture of who McGuire is and what he represents. The community of Billings came together and opposed the neo-Nazi skinheads in the "Not in Our Town" campaign, which has been replicated in cities across the nation. The citizens of Billings emphatically stated that racist and anti-Semitic beliefs did not represent their values. They stood up to the neo-Nazi bullies together.

Nazis don't go away if you ignore them, they run for elected office.

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Fear

I have this feeling that pervasive fear guides much of the reaction to the Nazis'. To me, it seems that they are taken much too seriously. I understand the threat that their beliefs bring to a community, but, at the same time, I don't think this community is in danger of succumbing to them. If we choose to rally against them, let's rally on the other side of town. Let's not give them the honor of our presence.
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Honestly, do you think Jim

Honestly, do you think Jim Ramm is going to run for office in Olympia anytime soon? How about Lacey or Tumwater?

And then, if you think you can answer "yes" to that question, do you think a self-proclaimed NSM member is going to win? It's hard enough to make GOP spell victory in local politics.

This whole Nazi epsiode is nothing but a sideshow for the area, which is fine. The TESC-crowd hasn't been living up to their predecessors (running through the Capitol, the first May Day, et cetera) so someone had to bring in the free entertainment.

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If you won't listen to me...

...then please listen to Dave Neiwert, who knows a thing or two about Nazis:

The main mechanism for converting mainstream conservatives into right-wing extremists and white nationalists is a process I call transmission: extremist ideas and principles are repackaged for mainstream consumption, stripped of overt racism and hatefulness and presented as ordinary politics. As these ideas advance, they create an open environment for the gradual adoption of the core of bigotry that animates them.

This strategy was first enunciated by Patrick Buchanan back in 1989, in a nationally syndicated column that expressed a level of kinship with David Duke, who at that point was building momentum in a bid to win the Louisiana governorship. Buchanan thought the GOP overreacted to Duke and his Nazi "costume" by denouncing him; he urged:

Take a hard look at Duke’s portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks.

It was a simple formula: Look at the issues that attract white supremacist votes, strip out the racism (or anything inimical to good public relations for the GOP) and present them to the public as fresh, "cutting edge" ideas. In the process, you’ll attract a lot of middle-class white voters who harbor unspoken racial resentments.

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OK

I understand this, and I think that in order for it to work they need a large conservative base. Olympia is extremely liberal, the conservatives that we have, for the most part, are older and remember Hitler too well to vote for someone with Nazi ties. Rick, you keep mentioning Spokane, and how we should use them as an example. Spokane is a much more conservative place than Olympia, and different tactics would be needed. My main point is that we need to think locally on this. We know our community.

I know that Olympia would not allow a Nazi to win an election. That's why I believe we should not confront them face to face.

If a child is yelling and being unruly does it teach the child anything to yell back?

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Assumptions

Your statement that Olymnpia is "extremely liberal" made me laugh out loud. You really know only a bubble of Olympia if you think this community is liberal. GDI is more like it (God Damn Independent). There is a vocal, and small, community of left-oriented activists, a smaller core of Anarchists and street rebellionists, but the overarching community is anything but liberal. And as more "infill" creeps into the Urban Growth Area, it will attract even more republican voters. Who the hell else lives in McMansions and plow-plant housing developments?

The voters who support the R's are NOT the local elderly, those are New Deal and Great Society voters. The current Thurston County R's are the 30-50 AWM's (Angry White Males) who do things like run motorcycle shops in Lacey, and arrange motorcycle rides to support the most vicious voluntary troops, the Special Forces. The numbers of these AWM's (many of whom work at Ft Lewis and commute from bedroom communities in Lacey and Olympia) are GROWING. Recent city elections have shown this. They also have families who vote with them. They tend to be fundys, or conservative members of more established churches. They tend to vote on moral and fiscal triggers, rather than simply party or personality. They are beginning to encourage conservative Dems (O'Sullivan) to come out of the closet and switch. They have money, and make that money from us - often in rent or restaurant revenues. Often in Gov't salaries, both state and federal.

So yes, I think this community could suffer if Nazis are ignored and the crowd of loonies at the Church of the Living Water runs candidates who look liberal by comparison.

I stand in solidarity with the people who are targeted by the NSM; I stand for life with dignity. I do not stand for a correct moral position, or a better idea... I stand in physical defense of diversity (and even rallies of nonconfrontationals). I stand with my class, the working class, against an ideology directly opposed to organized labor.

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You think a Nazi would be

You think a Nazi would be elected because the "loonies" at the Church of Living Water would run a candidate who would "look liberal by comparison?"
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thanks

for putting me in check there. You are right about how the voters breakdown. I still think Olympia is extremely liberal. I've lived in towns that had shotgun giveaways at the banks, and the county commissioners wore bib overalls and Stihl hats on their campaign posters. The average Olympian, the moderate Olympian, would be run out of there. Another example is our NFZ ordinance. This is not something a conservative city council would have voted for. The way our city government works, each council member represents the entire city, as opposed to having districts. Therefore, while not scientific in any way, the city council should be a good indicator as to the political leanings of the citizens. You may be able to call Foutch and Mah conservative, but they'd be moderate conservatives at most. The rest are clearly liberal.

My immediate reaction to a Church of Living Water candidate is: No Way. Take one look at him and you'll see he's not right. Now, I can't speak for the perceptions of others. I can see how you could come to the conclusion that some people might vote for that candidate because he's not a Nazi. I hope if that ever comes up, someone else will run.

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I've been to the

I've been to the Harley-Davidson retailer in Lacey a couple of times (the business I assume Drew is speaking of) and, while the demographics were indeed white males (which is nothing out of the ordinary. Sorry folks, but Olympia isn't as cosmopolitan as you might think), none appeared to be angry. I think you might even use the term "helpful" to describe some.

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This is frustrating...

...please read this and this and this. Who's advocating yelling? I don't think it's me.
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