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Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 10/29/2006 - 3:01pm.
from commondreams.org:
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UN Passes Arms Trade Treaty Over US Opposition
UNITED NATIONS - United Nations member states voted Thursday to create an international treaty to curb the illicit trade in guns and other light weapons, despite strong opposition from the United States and other big powers. On Thursday, a vast majority of delegates to the U.N. General Assembly's first committee endorsed the resolution calling for the establishment of a treaty to stop weapons transfers that fuel conflict, poverty and serious human rights violations. As many as 139 countries voted in favor of the resolution while 24 abstained. The United States, the world's largest supplier of small arms, was the only country that opposed the resolution. Other major arms-manufacturing nations that oppose the treaty but did not participate in the voting include Russia, China, India and Pakistan. The vote came after three years of complex diplomatic negotiations and a worldwide campaign by civil society groups that involved more than one million people in 170 countries. Civil society groups said they were extremely happy with the outcome of the vote. "It's a great victory," Helen Hughes of the London-based Amnesty International told IPS. "We had governments in that room who finally listened to human rights campaigners." Jeremy Hobbs, director of Oxfam International, described the treaty as an international commitment to "end the scandal of the unregulated arms trade".
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I'll have to read more into
Submitted by Norm on Sun, 10/29/2006 - 3:44pm.Ok, from what I can tell this is simply an initiation by the UN to get country's to talk about this. I haven't checked the NRA website because I generally take most of what they say with a grain of salt ( sorry guys ) I did do a little bit of research on the UN website, so let me post these links, then I'll start with some points.
http://www.un.org/events/smallarms2006/faq.html
" 'Small arms' are, broadly speaking, weapons designed for individual use. They include, inter alia, revolvers and self-loading pistols, rifles and carbines, sub-machine guns, assault rifles and light machine guns."
I'm not sure I like this definition. I may go into this later, but I have a headache and am having a hard time formulating a decent thought.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2006/gadis3335.doc.htm
Just some more info in that one, I'm not sure that I like the way we are voting %100 of the time.
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/3649
"First, the UN will likely adopt a resolution clearing the way for a landmark arms trade treaty. It will set common international standards on the import, export, and transfer of conventional arms including not only small arms, but heavy weapons such as tanks. A UN-appointed panel of experts will determine the details of the legally-binding treaty that will be put to a vote in 2008. The United States, Russia, and China—the world's leading arms exporters—all oppose the treaty. When the vote recently took place in the UN General Assembly, several countries abstained but only one voted no: the United States. U.S. opposition is hard to square with its professed concern about terrorism and failed states, since arms proliferation in the hands of non-state actors is a primary facilitator of both. A policy change on behalf of this new treaty would be an excellent first step toward reengagement with the long list of existing treaties the Bush administration has rejected since taking office."
This part, "arms proliferation in the hands of non-state actors" is what kind of gets at me. I can't seem to find a whole lot of documentation about what ideas are being passed. I'm thinking it's still early so no states have nailed down any ideas concretely. Unfortunately in this country, with the definition of "small arms" as stated above, we have arms in the hands of "non-state actors". Perhaps I'm reading that wrong though.
I understand that there are many conflicts going on worldwide, and disarming those conflicts would be a good idea. If we do that though don't we have to be transparent and disarm the folks in our country who could possibly cause a conflict? Are we only leaving arms within stated governments? What happens when it's a warlord who is essentially the "government" of a country and there is nobody to oppose him?
Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, maybe it's only the trade, but then I have to wonder, "does that mean that the U.S. can no longer import "small arms" ie my glock ( made in austria ) unless it is to supply a governmental force? I could certainly see a lot of foreign arms makers putting a small shop in the U.S. That would make the UN happy but Sarah Brady would have a stroke.
Also we seem to be a large exporter of arms. I'm not sure which companies ( maybe it's all government ) are doing all of the exporting but I suppose they'll lose business.
All in all I suppose I'm pretty confused by all of this. Lots of different angles to think of, a lot of decisions that haven't been made yet. I can say that I'm not real happy with the idea that our country supplies arms to an area full of genocide though.
I still have not been able
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 12:04pm.I still have not been able to find a whole lot of documentation, so at this point I'm thinking it's just not there.
With all that said I don't hold a whole lot of faith in the UN. I'm glad they are there for talking and bargaining, but when it comes down to muscle, they talk much more than they act. Some countries this works for, others it does not. I think N. Korea and Iran are good examples, they could ( and seemingly do ) openly defy the UN, and what does the UN do? Threaten sanctions? please! The UN, in my opinion, is all bark, and no bite. Add on top that the muscle that the UN could decide to flex is mostly from the U.S. I think the thought behind the UN is nice, but I think they are severely crippled when it comes to enforcement of international law. Hell, if something does go through, and the U.S. breaks international arms laws....who is going to enforce that?
Plus I'm not sure how I like the idea of a global democracy. I love my country, good, bad or ugly. I don't want other country's to be able to tell my government what rules it should have. It'll be interesting to see what new directions will open up with Kofi Annan stepping down and Ban Ki-moon stepping up. Regardless I just don't hold much faith in the UN or it's ability to govern. Great humanitarian organization though.
Don't like the UN, Don't like most of what comes out of the UN
Submitted by OlyCop on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 9:58am.So no comment on this issue.
The UN needs to keep their business out of this country's business, not only on guns, but things like how you raise our children, etc.
"The strongest reason to retain the right to keep and bear arms is to protect against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson.
The Rule of Law
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 11:32am.("So no comment...") It seems your stance would necessitate a comment and an explanation. Why don't you like the UN? Why don't you like most of "what comes out of the UN"?
It seems, to me, that a law enforcement officer would appreciate an organization which prides itself on the rule of law and the use of arbitration to settle disputes. When nations quarrel, and they are forced into arbitration, unnecessary violence can be avoided.
"needs to keep their business out of this country's business"
Submitted by bubbaz (not verified) on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 11:16am."needs to keep their business out of this country's business"
Sounds like a concept we should *ALL* subscribe to..
"I don't want every break in the world. I just want justice..." Lenny Bruce
Unless you're for isolation,
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 12:25pm.Unless you're for isolation, you can't start pointing fingers at President Bush and using "sounds like a concept we should *ALL* subscribe to.." as a retort to protesting international interference in domestic affairs.
President Bush didn't create the policy of American interference. He's simply executing it to the best of his ability as he perceives the situation. The only difference between President Clinton and President Bush in regard to sending the military abroad was which country we would be landing in. Clinton sent troops to Haiti, Kosovo (the latter of which with NATO, not the United Nations) and Somalia; Bush to Afghanistan and Iraq.
But if you're really serious about subscribing to the concept of keeping our business to ourselves, the first place we would want to start is removing ourselves from the United Nations.
Fire..
Submitted by bubbaz (not verified) on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 1:50pm.1) I never mentioned Bush, Dave Chapelle did.
2) "He's simply executing it to the best of his ability" (*Ill just let that hang there)
3) The UN has zero clout, and we created it..
4) I dunno, some other stuff..(4 looked better than 3, although i do like 3 better as a number for some reason)
"I don't want every break in the world. I just want justice..." Mike Holmgren