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Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 11:20am.
I'd like to outline, and get feedback on, the collective vision of the PPU in regards to Camp Quixote.
» We want to design, build, and maintain a community that, in all ways, puts out more than it consumes. That may seem like a big, expensive task. It's not. Not in Olympia. We have the resources and the knowledge in this town to completely revolutionize the idea of "housing developments" as we know it. We're envisioning a partnership between the city, private businesses, non-profit groups, community groups, and The Evergreen State College. All of these groups would come together, working side by side with residents of Camp Quixote to build a self sustaining village. For students, it would give them the opportunity to apply the skills they're learning while helping house people and teaching people valuable skills that they may not have access to. We want an alternative energy system utilizing solar, wind, and alternative fuels that allows us to put excess electricity into the grid when we can. We want to farm our own fruits and vegetables and and raise our own livestock, producing enough fresh, local, organic food to be able to give away the excess to the community kitchen at the Salvation Army or Food Not Bombs, thereby improving the meals served to folks who don't have the resources to eat healthy meals. We want to build 20x20 loft structures for residents to live in. We want these to be completely green built with special consideration given to the land they sit on. We want to develop and adopt a zero waste policy and strive toward completely eliminating waste by turning it into a resource. With all of the ideas that have been floating around lately I may have left a couple out, but these are the major issues. If you have any ideas, or comments, I'd love to hear them.
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Living off the grid..
Submitted by bubba z (not verified) on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 7:53pm.Inspirational..
Cob buildings..
Submitted by bubba z (not verified) on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 8:42pm.The Pacific Northwest is a hotbed for sustainable building approaches, such as Cob Buildings..
Here is a cob building in Devon, England that was built in 1539!
cob building
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 12:55am.In the Course of Events
Yodabodes!
Submitted by bubba z (not verified) on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 9:17am.Yodabodes!
omg
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 11:46am.Bubbaz just coined a term! Star Wars fans will be stalking you.
"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."
I thought the necessity of
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 9:33pm.Now it's turning into a commune where, instead of trying to help get everyone food, showers, clean clothes and interview skills they're wanting someone to give them property, give them supplies, build them specific buildings.
The self-sustaining environmental Utopia you describe could be nice, but why should the residents of Quixote just be entitled to it? What happened to them just wanting a chance to get on their feet?
Read the post, everything starts with We Want, We Want, We Want. I want things too. I work first to acquire what I need and then to earn the right to pick and choose among the things I want. Most everyone else does to. By all means I want to give everyone a chance to better themselves, but when I'm hearing We Want We Want We Want I start to understand where the anger and venom comes from.
Job creation..
Submitted by bubba z (not verified) on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 1:41pm.Building houses is work..
Just because the banks wouldnt own it, doesnt change anything..
With what material? With
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 9:47pm.I want a bigger apartment. Better yet, I want a home with at least one acre for a backyard. I want a hot tub on the back deck just out of sight of the neighbors. I want a garden for all my veggies. And I've always liked sheep and goats, I'd like some of them. Is someone just going to give this to me? I'll work my own garden and the house can be as green as green can be.
I know several folks who live off the grid..
Submitted by bubba z (not verified) on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 1:57pm.Using mostly recycled materials..
Like real houses (nice ones..)
100% off the grid..
I myself have lived on some intentional communities where I paid zero rent and just worked for my keep..
Its not unheard of (especially here in the Pacific Northwest..)
Scavenging throw-away items,
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 10:06pm.A self sustaining community approach..
Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 10:16pm.Is much safer than a public housing scenario..
Yeah,
Submitted by Summerisle on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 3:51am.Say, can we try to keep it
Submitted by Phil Owen on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 4:12am.The Canaanite's Call
Civility
Submitted by Sarah on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 8:40pm.we didn't read the same thing
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 7:18am."Now it's turning into a commune where...they're wanting someone to give them property, give them supplies, build them specific buildings...Read the post, everything starts with We Want, We Want, We Want."
Well, I read and reread Rob's post, and I don't see what you're seeing. What I see are declarative statements about what the residents of Camp Quixote want to do, not a list of things they want done for them. You say you see them asking for land, building and supplies, yet Rob states right away that "(w)e want to design, build, and maintain a community." I don't see a "we want others to design, build and maintain our community (unlike local business). Rob says "we want to farm our own fruits and vegetables", a feat that would be be pretty damn possible if instead of everyone throwing away unused seeds from their last trip to the grocery store they just gave'em to the P.P.U. instead. Rob says "(w)e want to build 20x20 loft structures", not, "we want Habitat for Humanity to come over and build us a bunch of houses". Rob says "(w)e want to develop a zero waste policy", not, "we want curbside recycling and garbage pick-up every week." Yes this would all be made a lot easier if the community at large embraces rather than ostrisizes Camp Quixote, offering extra supplies and knowledge. But what a shining example of a community Olympia would be if we could get behind Camp Quixote and help it work.
"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."Merwyn missed th point.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 10:31pm.I'm really sick and tired of the ignorant classism displayed by some people in this community. Merwyn, do realize most of the things you spout about are stereotypes, untruths, or just plain mean?
In the end, we will build a community that will serve as a stepping stone from the woods and storefronts into permanent housing, we will do it with the help of many very amazing people that will lend their talents and resources.
Merwyn, I promise, it won't affect you in the least.
My anti-homeless bias? What
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 11:07pm.I have no idea? I was so fucking close to being homeless more than once it's not even funny. I couldn't get hired anywhere, my savings dwindled to nothing, selling my superfluous toys barely sustained me for any extra length of time. I understand fully the loss of self-esteem when businesses wouldn't even hire me to wash dishes or scrub toilets. I understand feeling apathetic after months of the same.
Just because I've never been rained on while sleeping, never been harrassed by the police or never felt the need to ask for change doesn't mean I don't know.
Because I feel they're not entitled to just have property and buildings given to them that means I have an anti-homeless bias? No, rather it means you and people like you are spoiled brats. Give us what we want, you're either with us or against us.
What am I spouting that's stereotypical, untrue, or mean? And don't put words in my mouth, I'm not the one saying homeless people are all sex offenders, I'm not the one saying homeless people don't want to work, I'm not the one saying all homeless people are addicts or alcoholics who won't help themselves, I'm not the one saying homeless people should stay off the sidewalk and out of sight.
But when the spokesman for one particular group is saying "we want we want we want" and expecting to just get it I'm going to call it what it sounds like.
the forest for the trees
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 7:24am."But when the spokesman for one particular group is saying "we want we want we want" and expecting to just get it I'm going to call it what it sounds like."
But what if what you think it sounds like is mistaken? What if Rob's statements sound to you like 'lollipop' sounds to a Japanese person? Just because you hear something a certain way, doesn't mean that's what was actually said.
"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."
OK Stop
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 7:41am.I apologize for my reactionary comments, please understand my frustration with what I identify as negative attacks.
This is a great idea!!!
Submitted by Starwing on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 2:43pm.Good stuff
Submitted by Sarah on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 2:47pm.Love of Cars, Fear of Houseless People
Submitted by olyrickm on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 10:49pm.Hey Rob,
Submitted by OlyCop on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 12:40am.How you doing man?
:)
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." (emphasis added) ~~ Mahatma Gandhi
I'm doing well
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 11:49pm.I know your
Submitted by OlyCop on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 2:19pm.passion. I also know Merwyn isn't an enemy of the homeless. So don't be too hard on him. I doubt anyone that posts here on the blog is hateful towards the homeless.
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." (emphasis added) ~~ Mahatma Gandhi
I hear you Merwyn...
Submitted by Phil Owen on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 12:42am.But the truth of the matter is that for those on disability, that is a pipe dream. The closest thing to the individualistic "self sufficiency" that is available to these folks is to live on a tiny check from the government, in an apartment subsidized by the government, and on food stamps paid for by the government. And these government programs are often horribly demeaning.
It is important to note that the individualistic model of "self-sufficiency" is also inherently flawed. People are not atomatons. The human creature is fundamentally a social creature, and we are all interdependent... even if the means and mechanisms for interdependence are alienating.
Tent City represents a more authentic kind of self-sufficiency, and the only kind available to those on fixed incomes. It is the self sufficiency that is found in community, through collaborative effort. The disabled are not incapable of work; they are incapable of gainful employment. Though they may not be able to compete in the market for full time employment, they are fully capable of working together to improve their conditions of living. This is the basic intent of the folks at Tent City. It will serve as a fantastic stepping stone for some; it may be a permanent solution for others.
Tent City is NOT actually asking for much, particularly in view of what is already being spent on the homeless. A housing project can cost millions of dollars. A squatter's village costs little more than the land it rests on. HERE'S WHAT'S REALLY WILD ABOUT WHAT TENT CITY IS REQUESTING: They want more for less (out of YOUR pocket). They want self-determination, and they are suggesting that meeting their request would cost the government FAR LESS MONEY than its current approach to resolving homelessness.
The government, of course, is highly suspicious of this. Self-sufficiency is not valued by government, because government is fundamentally founded on control. And efficiency in particular is TOTALLY FOREIGN to the government bureaucracy. Why spend less money to meet a greater need when you could spend more money and keep people totally dependent? Such is the logic of a bureaucracy.
A few small things could help the the Tent City to build up its vision: 1 Access to a small base of capital and 2 Access to the knowledge base of Evergreen students and faculty.
The first need should be viewed as an investment. Putting a little money into obtaining a permanent location for Tent City will save a massive amount of money in the future. It also doesn't need to cost much. The City of Olympia owns land that was donated, which it cannot legally sell. It doesn't have much in the way of plans for this land.
The second need is one that I think would be gladly met. Ecology and design students at Evergreen would go apeshit over the opportunity to help develop a zero waste community built of cob structures. This is the stuff of their dreams.
When you consider the bigger picture, there really is no reason to oppose their plans.
The Canaanite's Call
The beauty of collectivism.
Submitted by Phil Owen on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 5:10pm.You can have acreage, a hot tub, a big garden, and livestock, Merwyn. In fact, you could probably have it for little more than you spend now... but it would have to be shared.
People can accomplish much greater things together than they can separately. Communal living, collaborative labor, cooperative credit, collective ownership all increase quality of life at little cost.
Example: Meta, Selena, and I (the three of us live together at the B&R house on 8th) each had a fair number of books individually. The overwhelming majority of these books were unused at any given time; we each only read a few books at a time. So we put them together in our community rec-room, and found that we had a full library. Now everyone in our little community (made up of about 17 people) has access to these books. More of the books are being used at any given time, reducing waste, and we each have access to a much greater range of books than before. And it cost nothing.
Just imagine what could be accomplished if we all began gathering together with our friends and neighbors to share our wealth. We all would be so much wealthier. And, as a result, we wouldn't all have to work so damned hard. Parents could spend more time with their children.
Think about it.
"All the believers were of one heart and mind, and they felt that what they owned was not their own; they shared everything they had... There was no poverty among them, because people who owned land or houses sold them and brought the money to the apostles to give to others in need." -Acts
The Canaanite's Call
A Simple Idea
Submitted by olyrickm on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 4:14pm.For the record:
Submitted by Starwing on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 10:38pm.clarification
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 11:56pm.“One man scorned and covered with scars still strove with his last ounce of courage to reach the unreachable stars; and the world was better for this.
I'll do what I can, Rob.
Submitted by Starwing on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 12:34am.Communitarianism
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 02/16/2007 - 8:53am.In the Course of Events