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Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 11/05/2006 - 12:48am.
Here's a good film about Iraq:
» Sean Smith, the Guardian's award-winning war photographer, spent nearly six weeks with the 101st Division of the US army in Iraq. Watch his haunting observational film that explodes the myth around the claims that the Iraqis are preparing to take control of their own country. Contains some strong language. link: http://www.guardian[...]
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To quote Ripley from "Aliens", the movie
Submitted by OlyCop on Mon, 11/06/2006 - 10:15am."I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
I guess living under a dictator for all this time has taken their will from them. Too bad, because when we do leave they will be the worse for it. But it will be their fault, not ours for trying.
"The strongest reason to retain the right to keep and bear arms is to protect against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson.
Exactly. Let's write our
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Mon, 11/06/2006 - 2:02pm.Exactly. Let's write our losses off while they're still relatively low (compared to another three years in the country) and split.
If we have to put a dictator back in power in order to satisfy the "stable" requirement, so be it.
Iraq War is a Symptom of a Disease
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 8:13pm.So we're not leaving
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 5:30am.So we're not leaving Iraq?
Watching "Hardball" yesterday, I'm beginning to think this is the case. Chris Matthews pressed Howard Dean on why another American should die in Iraq. Dean was trying to give the company line, but Matthews wouldn't let him. Basically, we're staying in Iraq for a long, long time regardless of the Democrats taking control.
I read this on cnn
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 11:20am.I read this on cnn today:
"The problem for Arabs now is, an American withdrawal (from Iraq) could be a security disaster for the entire region," said Mustafa Alani, an Iraqi analyst for the Gulf Research Center in Dubai. "The Mideast could be left to cope with a disintegrating Iraq mired in civil war, with refugees fleeing a failed state that could become an incubator for terrorism."
Just leave a dictator in
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 11:31am.Just leave a dictator in place before we leave, then.
Well, maybe we should
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 11:33am.Hey, I have an Idea
Submitted by OlyCop on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 5:12pm.We are in a war, how about we start fighting like it?
What we have been doing is more like patty-cake, and less like war.
"The strongest reason to retain the right to keep and bear arms is to protect against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson.
But the War is a Fraud
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 7:11pm.The answer to the problem lies in acknowledging the original faults of the whole operation, and holding the misleaders accountable.
The answer to the problem
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 7:25pm.The answer to the problem lies in acknowledging the original faults of the whole operation, and holding the misleaders accountable.
Uh...So how does that get the United States out of Iraq as soon as possible?
I mean, let's go with this for a second. We acknowledge that invading Iraq was a mistake and put President Bush on trial for a concrete charge. Maybe a mystery paper surfaces in the future? Why would this need to be done before troops can leave Iraq? I'm fairly certain we can load US troops and equipment onto helicopters and planes before these two requirements are met.
And then once this was done, do you really think fighting in the Middle East would stop? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the arguments against the United States leaving that it will become a failed state and that it would decline into a full scale civil war?
Answer: Social and Economic Justice Will Bring Peace
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 8:20pm.I'll let the eloquent Senator elect from Vermont speak for me, thank you!
Bernie Sanders
AMY GOODMAN: Last question, and that is, your answer for Iraq right now?
REP. BERNIE SANDERS: Well, that's not an answer that can be given in 30 seconds. I think the bottom line is that the people of Iraq, when asked what they believe is best for their country, amidst all the violence and the chaos, what they say is they think they would be better off if American troops came home. So I think we should respect the wishes of the people of Iraq. I think we should bring our troops home soon. By that, I mean within the next year. I think we've got to continue to work with the Iraqi government to do our best to try to bring stability. But I think they would be better off, we would be better off, the region would be better off, if our troops came home.
So bring them home within a
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 8:23pm.So bring them home within a year? What if "social and economic justice" aren't realized by then? The Iraqi government has already stated they would like American troops to stay three more years.
I guess that's what I don't understand. The people of Iraq no longer want the US in their country and the American people are tired of contributing lives and dollars, so why don't we just leave tomorrow? What's the point of sinking more money and lives for another year?
Because at this point I really don't care if the country is a failed state. My chest will hurt for all of the people who are subsequently executed for believing the US wouldn't abandon them, not to mention the thousands of people who have sacrified their lives in the hopes that a stable democracy may be realized, but at the end of the day we have to look out for our interests.
What If
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 9:57pm.The USA is the obstruction to economic and social justice. The USA is causing the problem.
What if social and economic justice aren't realized in a year? Better that the USA is out of Iraq, with no prospect of Anglo-American OIL PROFITEERING, so that the presence doesn't continue to degrade the situation.