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Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 9:28am.
How do we deal with our sometimes strong emotions when we discuss our downtown?
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I choose...
Submitted by Rick on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 9:36am....the Epée
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
I prefer a rapier, but to
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 9:40am.No humor allowed!
Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 9:42am.I'll see your wobbly metal...
Submitted by enpen on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 9:46am."If you are a dreamer, come in. If you are a dreamer, a wisher, a liar, a hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer. If you're a pretender, come sit by my fire, for we have some flax-golden tales to spin. Come in! Come in!"
Uh huh
Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 9:51am.Sacred breath, present moment
Submitted by Mike on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 10:02pm.Thich Nhat Hanh
I have been putting much
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 9:42am.Good points
Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 9:47am.I also want to cool it with my assumptions that because a person says they don't like a particular something downtown, it means that they surely some sort of extreme fascist.
clean up on aisle three
Submitted by enpen on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 9:48am."If you are a dreamer, come in. If you are a dreamer, a wisher, a liar, a hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer. If you're a pretender, come sit by my fire, for we have some flax-golden tales to spin. Come in! Come in!"
Speaking of poopoo
Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 9:54am.With my level 30 cleric and
Submitted by NWarty on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 10:02am.With my level 30 cleric and a two-handed broad sword! Now where's my 20-sided dice? I can poke fun, I played Warhammer 40K for several years.
Usually a beer and good conversation with my wife since she's lived here a lot longer than I have.
Watch out
Submitted by OlyCop on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 10:10am.Watch out here comes my level 60 Paladin with his sword of dragon slaying. He will dice you all up, and then heal himself from any trival nicks you give him! :)
"The strongest reason to retain the right to keep and bear arms is to protect against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson.
LOL!
Submitted by NWarty on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 10:16am.LOL!
Wow, that's a first, I think
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 10:23am.Well, I think you already
Submitted by OperaGirl on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 11:08am.Well, I think you already know what my choice of action would be...
"When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different."
Maybe some recent history to downtown will help
Submitted by POLDF on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 4:11pm.This is not meant to be objective -- when you're targeted, you have to have an opinion
I am Pat Tassoni and have been in Olympia for over 30 years, which is longer than most of the transients we call the Olympia City Council, who came in the 80s. I have lived and worked in historical buildings downtown for the past 20 years. I have been fighting city policies that target the poor for nearly 15 years now.
Simple facts:
2000 - Time magazine declares Olympia "Hippest" town in West [because of downtown]
2002 - Downtown business owner's son murders and dismembers frequent transient [his head is still missing!]
2004 - Major insurer declares Olympia 4th safest city in the nation [they set their rates to their word]
2006 - Micro-chain Mcmenamins buys the Spar in downtown for a sizable amount of cash [obviously they aren't worried about the boo-hoos]
Downtown History
When I was a kid, my parents used to bring us downtown to shop -- and there were department stores here -- JC Penney, Mongomery Wards, Sears to name just a few. Where did they go? Well our city officials, the forerunners to the current council, in their grand wisdom pursued a policy of sprawl and allowed the Capital Mall to go in the early 80s. And all the stores left downtown -- in fact the city made it easy for them to leave -- so downtown was pretty empty in the 80s. Me and my friends used to come downtown to skateboard and ride bikes because the streets were empty. Also during this time, affordable housing was being demolished and in some cases buildings were renovated to suit businesses. The city of Olympia was slow to respond and has scarcely replaced the number of units that were lost. And during the late 80s is when the downtown walking patrol was formed -- before that we would see a cop every two hours downtown, and they were mainly confused as to why we were there at all.
Over time businesses and state offices have filled in downtown, but not quick enough and not enough to satisfy those who want to pretend everything in the economy is right. Small businesses still have to compete with the malls and big box stores. The council has been so concerned about downtown that they have passed a number of laws to restrict individual behavior, but haven't yet reversed their decision that caused the problem to begin with -- They need to restrict business behavior and stop sprawl. And local businesses need to support and even lead that movement if they ever want downtown to be an area retail center again. [Capital Mall historically has been the most called for police services of any place -- probably still is. Be afraid of the mall!]
Over and over again, the spectre of 'public safety' has been raised to pass new laws, but it's shooting itself in the foot by constantly bringing up how dangerous downtown is in the hopes to project how safe it is there. And it's been going on for the past 20 years. And each time they promise it will fix everything!
The first wave was targeted at youth and increasingly so at the poor and homeless.
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Local History 101
What Your Money Buys In Downtown Olympia
This guide is an attempt to help you spend your dollars wisely in Olympia. As citizens we must realize that one of the realities open to us is to vote with our money and let companies know what you are/are not buying and why. We don't just buy a product with a purchase; we not only support an economic system with it, but we also support the working conditions and the political environment of the company as well. This guide is meant to help connect you with the history of activism that has gone on here and continues to go on throughout the world. Not everything in the world is covered here, and nothing was intentionally left out even though much is left out. There are no easy answers and this is not meant as a substitute for grassroots organizing on behalf of the environment, workers, and other facets of our world and society.
Local stores keep money local, however, promote certain agendas and have taken sides on social issues. Some downtown businesses have formed the Olympia Downtown Association (which is funded in part by the City of Olympia) and have initiated and lobbied the city to enact certain targeted laws (at homeless and\or youth):
* 1986 - Criminalization of Skateboarding Downtown
* 1987 - Outlawing of Teen Dance Clubs Downtown
* 1990 - Criminalization of Loud Car Stereos
* 1991 - Outlawing of Cruising Downtown
* 1993 - Criminalization of "Aggressive Panhandling"
* 1994/5 - Attempted Stop of Transitional Housing for Homeless (Fleetwood)
* 1995 - Proposed Criminalization of Car Camping
- Proposed Outlawing of Fortified Wine Downtown
* 1996 - Outlawing of OAPP Needle Exchange
* 1996/7 - Attempted Banning of Sitting on the Sidewalk Downtown
* 1999/2000 - Criminalization of Graffiti
* 2001/2002 - Proposed Criminalization of Camping
- Proposed Criminalization of Car Camping
- Proposed Outlawing of Fortified Wine Downtown
- Attempted Establishment of Panhandling Zone
* 2005 - Downtown designated 'Business District' and gives extra funding to ODA
Below the good news (+) comes first in each category followed by the names of businesses that have taken bad social justice positions on particular issues (-). Businesses have over time changed ownership from the time of these issue and they are marked by "~" to indicate such:
Businesses in Support of Graffiti Walls
(+) Supporters: ~New Moon Cafe, Dumpster Values, Midnight Sun, Old School Pizzeria, Olympia Film Society, Otto's Bagels, Thekla
(-) Opponents: The ODA
No Sitting On The Sidewalk City Ordinance
(+) Opponents: Always Safe and Lock, Brown & Balsley Sign, Olympia World News, Cascadia Research, Childhood's End, Danger Room Comics, Earth Magic, Five Corners, Fuji Teriyaki, Haut Hats, Jamie Lee & Co., K Records, Kill Rock Stars, Kundalini Coffee, Midnight Sun, Mini Saigon, Old School Pizzeria, Tee's Me, MIXX 96, Whole Earth Imports, Working Systems Inc., YoYo Prod.
(-) Supporters: The Spar, Washington Center, Dean Whitter's, King Solomon's, Gold's Gym, Coast Office Supplies
The Fleetwood Low Income Housing Project
(+) Supporters: Traditions Cafe, David Stein & Associates, Thekla, Danger Room Comics, Electric Rose Tattoo, Five Corners, Olympia World News, Fish Brewing, Budd Bay Realty, Radiance, Archibald Sisters, Jamie Lee & Co., Looks Hair Design
(-) Opponents: Applebaum Violin Shop, Audio Northwest, B&B Auto, Bartels, Castle Enterprises, CD Connection, Chattery Down, Coast Office Supplies, Cuda Construction, Deskoba Inc., Especially Made Designs, Hodges Inc., Jinjor, JR Roofing, Key Bank, Koehler's Furniture, Little Richards, Lynch Paint, Olympia Printing, Panowicz, Pizzazz, Salvation Army, Storman's (Bayview and Ralph's Thriftway), ~Urban Onion, US Marine Sales, Walt's Radiator, Washington Center, Washington Travel, ~Wind Up Here
Farmworker Boycott (WA Winery)
(+) Supporters: Ben Moore, Chattery Down, Gardner's, Henry C's, ~Patrick's, ~Urban Onion
(-) Particularly nasty opponents include Budd Bay, Genoas, St. Martin's, Coast Office Supply, Olive Garden
Farmworker Boycott (OR's PCUN Gardenburger)
(+) Supporters: Olympia Food Co-Op, TESC, Budd Bay, ~Darby's, Sara's Kitchen, Pipers Lady
(-) Opponents: ~Urban Onion, Falls Terrace
Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgendered Rights
(+) Active Supporters (as advertised in Capital Q): Altered States, Archibald Sisters, Batdorf & Bronson, Darby's Cafe, Hannah's Tavern, Jamie Lee & Co, Mike Cook's Antiques, MIXX 96, Olympia Food Co-Op, S. Don Phelps-Attorney, Radiance, Rainy Day Records, Shakti Cove Cottages, Sigafoos & Witcher, Thekla, Tumwater Travel Service, Wild Grace Arts; (also see Pink Pages)
(-) Anti-Union Establishments: ~Urban Union/Elysse's Potpourri, The Spar, Capital Coachman, Henry C's, Burrito Heaven
(-) Anti-Native Establishments: (with a Smoke-Shop Indian Carving): The Spar, Cigarettes Cheaper
>>> Over 60 business opposed the recent formation of the downtown 'business district'.
Can you provide some details?
Submitted by CIAGuy on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 4:32pm.Tea Lady
Submitted by POLDF on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 5:59pm.The Tea Lady founder's son in collusion with another killed David George who had been an on and off again resident of the Olympia area. He was the co-founder of the now defunct Evergreen Free Press newspapter and a sign painter who painted, among other things, the stairwell mural of the dragon in TESC Library building. Interestingly, as this was going down, the Tea Lady was complaining about the safety of downtown businesses and their consumers. All we needed to know was to avoid her son: the old saying about tending to one's own kitchen before complaining about another's comes to mind.
P.S. I did try to google to try to find appropriate Olympian articles on it, but they have their archives pretty well cinched-up.
More about the murder of David George
Submitted by OlyDowntowner on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 10:06am.Wingnuts Unite!
Submitted by bubbaz (not verified) on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 4:39pm.Oly: Safest Downtown in America...
Thwarted by the Olympian
Submitted by POLDF on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 6:01pm.Update: I went home and looked at my paper copy of the Safest City article and well, I was wrong. I apologize, Olympia is not the 4th safest city, it is the second safest city in the nation. Sorry for downplaying how safe we are.
A discussion is taking place
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 09/27/2006 - 10:32pm.