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Submitted by Sarah on Thu, 03/30/2006 - 2:26pm.

This Sunday, April 2nd, the National Socialist Movement (main nazi group in U.S.) has announced they are having a rally in Sylvester Park at 2 P.M. The National Socialist Movement (NSM) is calling their rally in support of Rachel Corrie. Their trying to tie themselves to Rachel is obscene and unacceptable. Rachel was very committed to fighting anti-semitism.

There will be a community meeting tomorrow, Friday, March 31st at  6 P.M. to plan a response to the NSM rally on Sunday. We will be meeting at the Olympia Free School, 610 Columbia (by Legion).  Hope you can make it.


Peter Bohmer

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Well...

I honestly haven't cared much about the Nazi "presence" in Olympia, but this is kind of going a bit too far.

Peace Activist + NSM = ?
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How so?

What is going too far, how?
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Using Rachel Corrie as an

Using Rachel Corrie as an excuse to hold a rally. Unless they actually do care about her...which I doubt.
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Agreed

Their regional site tries to claim her as their martyr. I don't know what their motivations are truly, but their actions are certainly disrespectful and hateful.
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Rachel Corries' murder was

Rachel Corries' murder was typical of how the jews treat Gentiles...if we get in their way, they simply bulldoze us down. Black, White, Palestinian...it doesn't matter. According to them, we are here to serve the jew. We in the NSM stand against this global slavery. We invite you to attend our many rallies and to ask questions. Truth does not need to resort to mob violence.
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Really...

I wonder how much actual contact you've had with people of the Jewish faith. Or, is all this hate based on a theoretical Jew?
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I want to know

.....the answer to Rick's questions too.
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We invite you

We invite you to answer questions here.
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I have talked with several

I have talked with several jews. I brought up the subject of Tikkun Olam to two of them; one denied knowledge of it and the other went out of his way to allay my concerns.

"Tikkun Olam" is Hebrew for "repairing the world." Repair--meaning the world is broken. According to the jew, their god "chose" them to fix the world. So how is it "broken"? There are many things that need to be fixed--starvation, poverty due to corporate greed, etc; all of which is acceptable, but the aspect of TO that concerns National Socialists is their idea that "god" made one type of human ("Adam") and that they must blend all Gentiles together to re-form that human.

My perspective on the jews is this: They've been hated for thousands of years; basically since written history has been around. Why?

The jew will tell you "there's no reason, it's just because of intolerance." Gentile intolerance, specifically. Occasionally they'll mention jewish intolerance, but it is almost always qualified--"well, it's not as bad as what's been done to us."

The reality is that they've been hated because of their self-appointed mission to "repair the world." Repairing the world to jewish standards means to destroy the world of Gentile cultures, civilizations, and Races.

We stand against this.

If you truly value global diversity, stand with us.

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That's odd...

I thought diversity was about embracing difference, not eliminating it. So, what your saying is that based on a few conversations you've had with random people of the Jewish faith, the entire group of people should be destroyed? And just because they want to fix things? Kinda harsh, don't ya think? What exactly is the difference between Jews wanting the fix the world, and Christians proselytizing to non-Christians? If Christians think it is their job to save my soul, aren't they trying to fix me? Explain please?

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"Rachel was very committed

"Rachel was very committed to fighting anti-semitism."

That's a laugh. By aligning herself with the Palestinians, she was embracing anti-semitism. Palestinians, like most Arabs, have nothing on the Nazi's for hating Jews, except for the resources to kill them.

The funny thing about this though is the NSM group, are playing you TESC types as chumps. They found a way to get your goat good and it's working. NSM/Nazi's are scumbags, but they got a checkmate on you guys.

I still believe you are going to regret the day you all decided to spar with these guys. If you would have layed low, we would be done with them. But you keep poking the dog, and they are coming back again, and again, and again. Their child psychology worked on you children.

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Whoops!

I think you missed the point (twice!)

To my understanding, Rachel Corrie was protecting the helpless. Explain how this is anti-semetic and you win a prize.

So having a conversation is being played for chumps, now is it? I'm glad that NSM WA is willing to engage in a civil conversation. I think it is enlightening for everyone to hear what he thinks and why he thinks it. Better than yelling at each other from across the street, no?

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Rick, Rick, Rick,She went

Rick, Rick, Rick,

She went to a war zone and chose a side, the side against the Jews.

She probably bought into the anti-semite stuff that is preached to our kids begining in public school, as early as middle school, and continues into higher education.

As far as the chumps comment, these guys found a way to get your goat, and it's working. It's a beautiful tactic. Either you are trying to play it like you don't see it to save face, or you fooling yourself.

As far as being civil, I hope any future contacts between the TESC types and NSM will be civil. So far NSM has been civil and the other side have not. If the other side gets reved up again and they go to jail, what kind of message will that send to the Kids you are trying to protect by sending a message to NSM?

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No

No, the NSM has not been civil. Find their national web page and listen to the audio clips. Look at the regional site and examine the hit page out on myself and other community members.

The NSM advocates genocide. Sometimes they dress it up in "civil" speech as John does here, sometimes and more often they outright scream and preach death to us all.

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I have pictures of the

I have pictures of the Olympia rally (22 Jan) with people holding signs saying "death to nazis", and a video recording of Prof. Bohmer chanting the same thing. Many of our members get anonymous phone calls describing the slaughter of our children. Several have actually been killed by "peaceniks", some of whom you might know.

Don't talk about killing others if you if you think such behavior is wrong. Hypocrisy looks bad on anyone.

What the jews want (the mixing of the races) is nothing short of genocide; death to Gentile races by mixing the genes and creating "one big happy human family." It'd be a lot better if they were honest about it, rather than dressing up *their* genocide with talk about "fairness" and "equality."

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Who are you?

Who are you? Where do you live, where do you call home? Got a name, at least a nick name we can refer to you by?

You've appeared here on a local community blog, we welcome new folks, but you aren't exactly a friendly new folk. Why are you here?

To walk my own talk, I'll answer my own questions too. I'm Sarah, I live in the South Sound area, this is my home. I'm proud of my community. I love the N.W., this is beautiful country. Happens to be a gorgeous Spring day today. I appreciate my home and I am grateful to all the diverse peoples that make this region what it is.

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Uh, nope.

She chose the side against indiscriminantly knocking down houses with bulldozers. Doesn't sound like anti-semitism to me. No prize for you.

She probably bought into the anti-semite stuff that is preached to our kids begining in public school, as early as middle school, and continues into higher education.

I don't know where you went to school, but I never heard anything like that at my school.

Concerning your analysis of the dynamic between the NSM and the activist community in Olympia, I suggest you put the psych books away -- there is a rich and diverse community here that is preparing to respond to the hatemongers in a creative and productive way. The very worst thing would be to have no response, because there will ALWAYS be people there. If there is no organization to the response, that is when it will get out of hand and the Nazis will elicit an ugly encounter. If, on the other hand, there is a planned, intentional response, with a healthy use of humor, then there is less likelihood of the Nazi's controlling the story. Ignoring them is impossible to implement and never works.

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Prizes,,,,,I like prizes.

Sarah, I was talking about the last meeting of the two groups in question a few months ago. I know the NSM are bad news, I just hope the TESC types keep their side more civil this time.

Rick, we are working towards prizes,,,,RIGHT ON!!! But I guess I would need to agree with the majority opinion on this site to get a prize, so I'm not holding my breath.

As far as Rachel, her beliefs were founded on more than bulldozers and houses. She, and her parents too, side with the Palestinians on this conflict over there. They picked a side, and it wasn't on the side of the Jew. I guess you could prove me wrong if you can show a documented case where Rachel helped protect the Jewish people from the Palestinians. I will be waiting for that link.

As far as schools, it surprises me that you don't know more about what goes on in public schools, at least given your line of work. Since you work with kids, and I think you even said you had kids, I thought you would understand what I'm talking about. My kids went to the Tumwater School Dist. And they did get a lot of the anti-semite crap in class, or more precisely pro-arab crap. All under the guise that you need to better understand WHY. But that's not surprising as most classes in public school are presented in a leftist point of view. Don't need to understand why they are blowing up women and children with bombs, because its wrong. See, like Rachel I have chosen sides in that conflict too. I just have chosen the other side.

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Do you really mean...

...that Rachel Corrie, or anyone else, has to fight against all injustice or else it doesn't count? Tell me if I'm not understanding this. It seems to me that we choose the issues that we care about, and we work for social justice and equality through that issue. I believe, as I'm assuming Rachel Corrie did, that there is huge injustice in the occupied territories. That is where she chose to express her values, not to choose sides. Do you really think that her action equates to the belief that it is ok to blow up inocent civilians on a bus in Tel Aviv? I don't get the logic here. Isn't it possible to be against both the oppression of the Palestinians and the terrorism in Israel?
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Yes its possible to be

Yes its possible to be against the wrongs of both sides, but if you chose one exclusively it paints a picture of where your beliefs are grounded.

If she was so concerned over injustices of occupied territories, why not stay here and work with the American Indian and their issues and needs.

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But our government...

...has only been on one side of the issue -- on the side of Israel. We give huge amounts of money to Israel, with no sense of balance about how to resovle the conflict. It makes sense to me that someone would want to balance that out.
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Yes, our government has been

Yes, our government has been MOSTLY on the side of Israel. They too have chosen sides and admit to it (so why can't you and the Rachel supporters admit to you having chosen sides?).

If we don't agree with the Palestinians, why would we want to balance the issue? I can understand wanting the violence to stop, but the issue may remain. Israel gave up land, and the Palestinians still want more. Will it ever stop? I doubt it.

Israel kicked ass and took the land back years ago. Land that they believe is theirs (and I believe they should have repossessed the Dome of the Rock too). I think it's a mistake to give in to the Palestinians in hopes of fair play and peace. The Arab people, nor most people, have ever played fair with the Jews.

TFI, you are probably right on the Zionism point, and the point that Rachel was a hater of this country, but that is another thread.

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see below...

...for reply.
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Okay

WF, thanks for clarifying that part. Me, I hope and pray that everyone stays safe.

As for prizes, you definitely are in the running for a prize cause you participate here. Any of us can invent prizes and award them. I think we all should invent prizes and award them freely.

You know of course that you've earned the "Are you a witch?" prize for being the first on Oly Blog to ask that question. *grin* I haven't figured out the design yet, suggestions welcome.

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Rick, I know what you're

Rick, I know what you're saying when you point out that we can only work toward one goal at a time.

The reason I don't give Rachel Corrie the benefit of the doubt that, at the least, she was apathetic toward violence against Israeli citizens is because of the picture in which she is burning the US flag. Every time I hear about how peaceful her mission was, I look at that picture and see an angry, angry woman.

Also, I think Zionism should be the intended discussion in some of these posts, not Semitism.

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Agreed.

Perhaps not the best way to express the point. But the mistake is in the expression of an idea, not in the idea itself.
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Wait...

You said it was ok to be against terrorism and against oppression. Are you taking that back and making me choose sides?

What makes it ok for Israel to take land away from people who lived there for centuries? Why is Israel different from South Africa under Apartheid? Why do Israelies get to go take the land, subjugate the population and build a wall? What makes that ok? Does might make right?

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I think you have chosen

I think you have chosen sides, and clearly Rachel did. Yes its ok to be against both, I am.

Israel says it was theirs, Palestinians say it was theirs.

Does might make right?? I don't know, ask an American Indian.

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This is a ploy...

...right? You're trying to make me crazy by presenting me with an unending series of contradictions. Well, you win the prize. I have a headache.

The American Indians say that Israel should give back the land.

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See I did listen.....and learn

I have applied all I have learned here from the leftist side on how NOT to answer the question......seems I have learned, and gave one of the best a headache.....my day is complete.......lol

But the American Indian said Palestine should leave for Iran, and split up their land,,,,,its bigger anyway....more to go around.

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You will note Rick, that

You will note Rick, that when pressed, "white feather" redirects the conversation...away from jewish responsibility in the region's conflict.

I find it interesting that some people think the jews "kicked ass" in acquiring their territory. They are conveniently forgetting the Stern Gang and many, many acts of terrorism against the British authorities and the Palestinians from the 1930's up until 1947.

Also not mentioned are the villages which were wiped out of existence (this is what forced the Palestinians to concede the area in the first place)...instead we see an emphasis on terrorism directed against the jews. Fair enough, but then we find an accusation against Rachel Corrie (and you) of "taking sides" simply because you don't toe the jewish line regarding "who's a victim and who's a terrorist." And by taking sides--against the jew--you are now an anti-Semite. Never mind justice, never mind fairness--if you are against the jew for any reason, you're an anti-Semite.

For myself, I want the truth, wherever it is found. And if that makes me an anti-Semite, so be it. You'll learn to appreciate the hate that jews direct at Gentiles who question things. Keep on asking questions, and demanding answers!

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Never said the Jews were

Never said the Jews were perfect. I did say if I have to chose between the two, Palestinians and Jews, Jews win in my book everytime.

Truth being pontificated by a Nazi, now there is an oxy-moron.

This white-supremacist stuff is just plain hard to gut.....white separatist, like Randy Weaver, I understand, even support if that's your bag. Randy didn't want to be around the other races etc. so he removed himself......NSM WA, its a big world, why don't you remove yourself from those you hate so much???

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Not a frog

Sarah, don't turn me into a frog please!!! LOL
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I promise

Okay okay, just this once I won't turn you into a frog. How about a teddy bear?
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Better

Yeah, a teddy bear will work, but I was thinking maybe a millionaire, then I could retire early and devote more time to Olyblog........maybe even come hang out with you guys. :)

I did see on the other thread you're not a witch,,,,so quit being a tease......lol

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With a wave of the wand............

.......An early retiree millionaire teddy bear aficionado of OlyBlog......Done!

(How could I resist?)

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"NSM WA, its a big world,

"NSM WA, its a big world, why don't you remove yourself from those you hate so much???"

I'll answer this in "jewish style"--I'll answer with a question:

If the jews see the world as an "us-v-them" contest (jew-v-Gentile) then why don't they remove themselves?

After all, they have Israel, they have the world's fourth largest army (never mind the nukes) and could easily conquer Gaza, the West Bank, and probably large chunks of Syria and Egypt as well...then they march the Pals and the others to the Red Sea, give them a Wal-Mart life raft and tell 'em to start swimming. After having done this, every jew in the world could easily move there and set up house.

A jewish country, devoted entirely to the jewish people, their culture, and goals. Now that's an idea! I'd suspect there'd be far less anti-Semitism, especially directed at individuals.

Wait a minute...if they all moved there, then they couldn't be "a light to the nations", could they? They wouldn't be able to study Torah; they'd have to grow their own food, and make their own infrastructure. Naaah...you can't have a country devoted to jewish interests, where *all* jews could live, because then you couldn't influence Gentile nations. And it violates one of the seven Noahide commandments for us: Gentiles are tasked with making the infrastructure of a society, within which the jew provides his "enlightenment."

Or is this incorrect? I'm going to come back here once more (maybe twice) to close up any loose ends, feel free to be SPECIFIC why my assessment is incorrect.

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Sarah's comment on the Witch award

"You know of course that you've earned the "Are you a witch?" prize for being the first on Oly Blog to ask that question. *grin* I haven't figured out the design yet, suggestions welcome."

The components of such an award should include a duck, very small stones, and wood.

And the recipient should wear a false nose, made of a carrot.

;-)

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You too can win an award......

.......by answering my earlier post way way up there in this thread, I know it is easy to get lost.........(there might even be some Oly Blog members who remain trapped in threads)....

----------- Who are you?

Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 03/31/2006 - 2:55pm.

Who are you? Where do you live, where do you call home? Got a name, at least a nick name we can refer to you by?

You've appeared here on a local community blog, we welcome new folks, but you aren't exactly a friendly new folk. Why are you here?

To walk my own talk, I'll answer my own questions too. I'm Sarah, I live in the South Sound area, this is my home. I'm proud of my community. I love the N.W., this is beautiful country. Happens to be a gorgeous Spring day today. I appreciate my home and I am grateful to all the diverse peoples that make this region what it is.

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Sorry, I didn't see that

Sorry, I didn't see that post. I was busy following the elements regarding Israel and Corrie. (That's one of the limitations of a bulletin board/blog--it's too easy to be sidetracked. In real life, one can rapid-fire questions and answers bam-bam-bam. Once one replies to a particular post, it's uncommon to go back and re-read the thread to see if there's any side issues to deal with.)

My name is John (yup, you guessed right). I live in the Snohomish County area. My "home" is not a place, it's a frame of mind--it's what will create our White country from this hodge-podge multiculturalism that we have today.

Although Jim has a link to the Olyblog on his site (nukeisrael.com), I didn't find it from there. I found it doing a search on anti-nazi activities in Olympia. I don't usually take the time to register and post on random blogs, because it is basically useless in terms of communication, however I recognized your name ("Sarah") from the nukeisrael site, and knew I had to read some of your thoughts (and the others here, too.)

Very interesting. I appreciate the civility shown here; quite uncommon. (I've been banned from a dozen bulletin boards.) You know from my posts that I'm not the "in-your-face" type; I do present the NS world-view in a reasonable fashion, so I haven't been banned for using "bad words" (eg, the "n" word) but rather I've been banned for using "bad ideas".

And ideas, Sarah, is what "freedom" in America is all about. I understand that you think we're evil, and you know that we think you are evil. The only way to truly find out which is which is in the arena of public discourse...and that is what we are trying to do, unlike the letter to The Herald that says we should be "marginalized" and not allowed in the debates on Race.

Excuse me, I am incorrect: there are two ways of finding out which way is correct: Honest, open discussions--and open, direct violence. Yes, your people might shout us down, throw rocks at us, even shoot at us...but if that is the standard, then we demand the same right. *That* is equality, Sarah. Equality in opportunity. The only difference is in the delivery. National Socialists prefer to take the high road and allow for divergent opinions...multiculturalists, communists and jews (one and the same) prefer to use violence.

People are beginning to see this, Sarah. All you have to do is keep being yourself. Keep trying to prevent us our time in the sun.

Have a great day, see you in the streets!

John

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Your time in the sun

No one here questions your right to talk (unless you get abusive, of course). Sunshine is the best disinfectant, John. The more people are exposed to your ideas, the more they will see that the just don't add up. For expample, you portray yourself as victims, but then preach the elimination of people of color. That must be the cause of more than a little cognitive disonance for your folks (or denial, I suspect). Let's start from the beginning: what makes America what it is? Why is America as creative, productive, powerful as it is? The answer is: we are a country made up of many different people, from many different cultures, with many different ideas, customs, and beliefs. Countries that are homogeneous (as you claim is your ideal) are not as innovative or creative. This means that if you were to achieve your goal of "racial purity," that country would soon be swept into the dustbin of history, never to be heard from again.

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"No one here questions your

"No one here questions your right to talk (unless you get abusive, of course)."

Again not quite right, Rick. Here, on the Blog, so far you're correct. However, out in the streets, who's going to have a bullhorn to direct the crowds to "shout us down"? The simple fact is that your kind does not allow for differences of opinion on one topic, and one topic only: the reality of racial differences. And that's ok, we know who is leading you, and we know their intentions. We're not asking for special consideration nor concessions.

"Sunshine is the best disinfectant, John. The more people are exposed to your ideas, the more they will see that the just don't add up."

Is that why the NSM is the fastest-growing WN organization in the country? Is that why you're afraid to read and debate our views? You have yet to quote a single statement I've made and ask for evidence. *That* is how you show that our ideas "just don't add up." So far, you haven't done any adding.

Indeed, sunshine is best. Prepare for blinding light, Rick. We're on the move, and increasing.

"For example, you portray yourself as victims, but then preach the elimination of people of color. That must be the cause of more than a little cognitive disonance for your folks (or denial, I suspect)."

Wrong again, Rick. We don't preach the elimination of coloreds "as policy." (I challenge you to find that phrase in the 25 points on the main NSM site) I will concede that occasionally one does find such phrases...but that is intended for a different audience, and not intended to be acted on.

What we want is for the different Races to strive for their survival in their own countries, where they can develop their own "style" of success. Let's reverse things to illustrate: Imagine a pow-wow, with hundreds of Native Americans, decked out with full regalia, dancing a storm. What would happen to their culture if we replaced their People--their Blood--with Whites? Easy answer--their culture would be destroyed. White people dressed up as Indians don't make for an authentic Native American culture. The same is true for White culture--dressing up non-Whites does not make an authentic White culture. Is an all-White culture and People less desirable than an all-Native American culture and People?

"Let's start from the beginning: what makes America what it is? Why is America as creative, productive, powerful as it is? The answer is: we are a country made up of many different people, from many different cultures, with many different ideas, customs, and beliefs."

How many Asians signed the Declaration of Independance, Rick? What were the immigration laws prior to 1964? For the first 170 years we were a White nation, by law...Even the egalitarians admit this. America prior to the 1960's was, for all practical purposes, a White nation.

America is currently in a state of hard decline. We are surviving on the remnants of a past glory. Why do you think we have Bush jr. in office? Why do you think we have the Patriot Act? And PA2 in the wings? And our current aggression in the Middle East? (Soon to include Iran) We are descending into tyranny. By the way, what do you think of "Aztlan", and "reconquesta" (sp?)?

"Countries that are homogeneous (as you claim is your ideal) are not as innovative or creative..."

I know it's April 1st Rick, but come on, be real. ;)

Let's list a few countries in history that might be called "innovative or creative":

Roman Empire (had strict racial laws until about 50-100AD, coinciding with its decline)

Nearly all European countries, starting about 1200AD

United States (1790-2000; however as the numbers of non-Whites goes up, our "scoring" in areas such as education-v-the world goes down; currently we are almost out of the top 20)

Note that those are all White countries. Name one African country that is "innovative and creative." Name one Middle East country that is "innovative and creative" (I concede Israel; think "Arab"). Name one Asian country that is "innovative and creative." (Copying Western technology doesn't count)

"...This means that if you were to achieve your goal of "racial purity," that country would soon be swept into the dustbin of history, never to be heard from again."

There are two ways countries are destroyed, Rick. The first is by military defeat, and the second is by loss of the original Blood that founded the country.

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Wow...

Your ignorance of history is truly staggering. So many falsehoods -- where to start? Well, lets start with the Roman Empire. Not a racially pure country. It was a slave economy -- or did that slip your mind? Perhaps you weren't counting the slaves as people.

"America as a white country until 1960." I don't know what planet you've been inhabiting, but the South was also a slave economy from long before the signing of the Declaration of Independence. Again, maybe you weren't counting the black folk as people.

Concerning your concept of race, what exactly do you mean when you say "white?" You know of course that everyone has a genetically diverse background -- even you. "White" covers a lot of territory, my friend. Would you care to share a little bit of information about your family history? Names of grandparents and great grandparents? Got some German, Irish, Polish, French, Russian, Skandinavian, English, Italian, etc. blood in you? Just like most "white" people, you are a mix of different ethnic groups, almost all of whom weren't here at the founding of the country.

I'm not sure if you've been keeping up on the science over the last half century, but there isn't anything like "race" as a genetic type. Sure, there are various features that are shared by some individuals of particular ethnic groups, but no overall configuration that correlates with "race" per se. Sorry to have to break the news to you.

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John Says,"There are two

John Says,"There are two ways countries are destroyed, Rick. The first is by military defeat"

This country kicked the crap out of your idol.....and he took the cowards way out with a self-inflicted gun shot wound to the head.

Punks follow punks I guess

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For as big of a figure as

For as big of a figure as Hitler is, he definately went down in lackluster fashion.
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