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Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 5:23pm.
My fav word of the evening: Grok
» As in: I can't seem to grok why some people hate Evergreen. I grok linden trees.
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I know why, but I can't
Submitted by stevenl on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 7:22pm.I know why, but I can't really explain much beyond the Evergroove Trivia chapters I have already submitted to OlyBlog in Rick's "Books and Collections" option. Well, let me qualify that. I can explain why pre-TESC Olympia residents dislike the school, but this group is diminishing as they die off or move. For those newcomers who arrived or were Oly born after, say 1968, I don't know, although I suspect today's young conservatives who support Bush's imperialistic adventures but who did not experience the Vietnam War era are destined to repeat one of history's mistakes. Speaking as someone who went from Kindergarten to college in this town, from the 50s to the 70s, and has very mixed feelings about Evergroove, I'll say this-- I hate to think what Olympia would be like today without Evergroove. TESC, as Charlie McCann predicted, drug Oly kicking and screaming into the 20th century. I do think Oly is a much better place because of the College, but I also know, due my upbringing in this town, why the locals hate the place so much. Fear.
The key word here is: Fear. We can't let our lives be ruled by fear. And I think that is the word that answers your question, Sarah.
I grok your answer
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 07/18/2006 - 8:03pm.And here I always thought it
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 8:42am.As an Olympian who is not
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:01am.As an Olympian who is not pre-Evergreen, I can offer why I dislike the school.
Ever since I've lived in the area and had gone downtown (which was far less than before I turned 21), I looked around and thought that downtown should look and feel a lot better.
At night it should be busy with commerce. In fact, after my visit to Alexandria, VA, I see Olympia as a place which should mirror Alexandria.
I have also never thought of "Greeners" as taking themselves seriously. You can say it's wrong until you're blue in the face, but when I see people who don't maintain proper personal hygene, the first thought which comes to mind is not that the person is a "freak" or is "weird" but that they must not care much about themselves.
Councilmembers such as TJ Johnson and Laura Ware also seem to have a large TESC-contingent. Since I view Johnson's and Ware's policies as detrimental to the city, this would also count as another "strike" against the college in my book.
There's a variety of other issues which are mainly related to day-to-day encounters of why I dislike the Evergreen culture.
"I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance."
Although I don't agree 100%
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:06am.And right or wrong, but I
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:19am.And right or wrong, but I also have a fear of property destruction from the Greener-culture.
In fact, I would be far more afraid of a TESCer intentionally causing private property damage than I would any other "group" in Olympia.
"I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance."
As an Evergreen alumna,
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:28pm.I'm comfortable with those
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 9:46pm.I'm comfortable with those 4,000 people being limited from my life.
Generally speaking, I'm pretty comfortable being around anyone.
I suppose you could call me an Evergreen "separatist." I don't hate the culture but I definately don't want to be around it.
And that's just the way it is.
"I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance."