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Submitted by Sarah on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 10:14am.
“Wearing a uniform demands subordination to your superiors and the orders passed down,” he said. “But what if orders given violate morality, ethics and even legality?”More on Sgt. Clousing NY Times story
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He traveled abroad in
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 10:50am.So he doesn't have a problem with the United States meddling in the affairs of other countries, since the reason he signed up for the military was to "extend [American liberties] to people abroad."
He wanted an Empire but saw what actions must be taken in order to establish and maintain it (continual skirmishes on fringe of the Empire's reach; a heavy military prescence necessary to keep a civilian population in order) and decided he prefers to see the hotdog rather than the hotdog-making process.
"I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance."
Whoa
Submitted by Sarah on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 7:47pm.This is not always the case
Submitted by armywife on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 9:20pm.Appreciation
Submitted by Sarah on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 10:10pm.I know I have absolutely no clue about what it is like on the ground in Iraq.
I also have no clue what it is like to be part of a military family back here at home. I was raised by veterans of war but they are not currently in action.
I appreciate your honesty
Submitted by armywife on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 7:41pm.hi armywife,
Submitted by No One on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 8:39am.Does that include Fox?
Really, I'm curious.
I dont buy into any of the....
Submitted by armywife on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 5:11pm.Ughhhh...
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 10:19pm.You say you wish the media would focus on the good things the military is doing - like building roads. Roads are used by the military (historically, the first roads were built for militaries) and they are anything but neutral services in the context of an occupation. An occupying army needs to have a high degree of mobility to make its patrols. Roads are used for this. Even the US interstate highway system was originally designed and built out by the Federal Government for getting armored vehicles quickly from one city to another.
You say the US Military is building schools. Perhaps you were not aware that Iraq, prior to 1990, had one of the highest standards of living in the entire Middle East. They were a "first world" nation, with universities and high technology and public schools. Shortly after the invasion in 2003, I remember hearing an interview with an Iraqi truck driver who had lost both of his daughters. They were each medical doctors. Now think about that - where else in the Middle East, outside of Israel or Lebanon, would you find a truck driver able to finance the MD education of two daughters? By the way, the interview with the truck driver was about the death of both daughters. If your husband is building schools in Iraq, I have to ask what happened to the school he is replacing. Perhaps it fell apart, but perhaps it was destroyed in a battle.
You'd like us to focus on what the military is able to tell you about what is going on there - admitting that some things must be kept secret to help protect your husband from "the enemy." Might your source of information therefore be just a bit tainted? Might you be hearing what you hear because the military wants to obscure the reality of daily patrols, house to house searches, streetside stripping of cars and clothes from human beings whose only 'crime' is being out in the street, or safely at home? Perhaps the 'good' stories you are hearing help your husband and you rationalize your participation in this occupation. Perhaps you need to believe this - but I do not.
When you wrote that the US Army in Iraq is working to "allow for women to have some rights, and so much more" I have to cringe. The Middle East is full of patriarchy (rule of men) but Iraq was one of the leading progressive countries in this regard. No, it was not perfect. Neither is the US. But the idea that an institution like the US army - which is heavily sexually segregated, misogynist, and has a worldwide history of fostering gang rapes and domestic abuse of women - could be the saviour of the women of Iraq? Pull the other leg - I don't want to walk in circles for the rest of my life. Besides that, you're conflating a Psyops public affairs theme from Afghanistan, not even appropriate to the programs going on in Iraq. Women there already had formal economic and legal equality with men.
Overall, your post - though I will assume it is in earnest - reminds me of a problem I often have with people who watch too much television about news events. I often hear people repeating things to me that they probably have not actually thought out for themselves. That is to say I feel sometimes like I have heard a person simply repeat to me what the TV told them this morning. The themes that you repeat in your post lead me to believe this has happened here. Someone told you that what we're doing is good, that what we're doing is not covered by the media, and that the world would support us if only it knew. Perhaps you were told these things by your husband, but I'd be willing to bet he heard them from his unit public affairs officer and the various media controlled by the DOD.
As a 'thought experiment,' I'd like you to try this: pretend that every thing your husband tells you he is doing in Iraq is being done by an Iraqi officer here in Washington State, backed up by a full armored division occupying Tacoma, Seattle, and Spokane - but few of the towns in between. See if this changes the way you feel about what you're hearing described, and post back what YOU think - and WHY it is a good idea - and why it cannot be done better by Iraqis for themselves, without US Army help.
He will come home when his
Submitted by armywife on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 11:15pm.mission is complete... and not a day sooner. No one wants the soldiers to come home more than I do. I have complete faith in what he is doing. My husband isnt doing anything illegal he is working side by side with community... building relationships helping them get power, clean water, jobs.... you name it. They are helping the people who are fearful of what may happen because of the insurgents. Yes there have been tragic cases of death because of this war and I am aware and have felt this first hand as many of my husbands close friends have been hurt and sadly killed. The civilian loss of life is really is unfair and would be occurring from the insurgents as well. The soldiers are trying to help protect them. There not there just mowing down people... sadly the news has focused on the few issues that has occured during the war.
This next quote is a huge media bs insult to my husband who is working multiple days with out sleep, showering and full meals. You state "Might your source of information therefore be just a bit tainted? Might you be hearing what you hear because the military wants to obscure the reality of daily patrols, house to house searches, streetside stripping of cars and clothes from human beings whose only 'crime' is being out in the street, or safely at home?"
My husband is honest with me and would never lie to me or give me tainted information... he isnt brainwashed or hiding things he is doing he is an army officer with a high code of morals... and extremely strong in faith. The information he can not tell me is exact locations... and other sensitive information because phone lines and internet are monitored and intercepted. He isnt stripping people in streets... in fact he said they are very kind and helpful. He wouldn’t say that to me if it wasnt the truth. I also do not "need to believe" anything!!!! I love my husband and first hand have seen the good... I dont need to be convinced to be part of anything because i willingly chose to be part of my life... I have known this for a long time and wouldnt change what I am.
Iraq still have a long way to come... they cant even speak for themselves... wow they have a great life. I would be killed if I lived in Iraq and was found to be talking like this...
The women in
What I find really funny is that you think I watch too much TV and spit back what I see.. Its the exact opposite... I know what is going on there... I support it ... my husband... and the soldiers... I hear the truth... Maybe you should go over and see for yourself that would be an interesting option? Just walk around... see how they live.. and what the soldiers are doing as they help to clean up their cities...
If I had no job.. no way to put food on my table... a constant fear for my family being safe... worries about children playing in the streets... then I would gladly appreciate the help of a military that is trained... educated.. and willing to help... Here in the great state of WA.
By the way my husband is more than HONORABLE>>>> He has given so much time to this country that comment was extremely disrespectful...and you know what youre paying for his salary... so move to canada if you dont like it! You really pushed some buttons ... im sure you planned on it... whatever thanks for my awesome house... great healthcare and everything else... we dont need your support we have MIllions of others who realize... seriously... its time for bed before i say much more that could potentially get me in trouble.
Armywife: I have no doubts
Submitted by Phil Owen on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 2:15pm.Not all places are like this. In many places, the US military has indeed engaged in horrible daily abuses that are deemed legitimate... things like door to door house searches where all residents are put to the floor at gun point. The purpose of these searches is to find weapons.
The issue becomes more confusing as Shia militias operating under the authority of the Iraqi security forces do the same thing, even with logistical support from the Americans. These Shia militias are known to take all the teenage men from a neighborhood block... the young men never reappear.
Also, your information on women's rights in Iraq is a little off. Women did indeed have equal rights in Saddam's Iraq. They got a full education, held prestigious jobs, and were not required to wear veils or other religious garb. They had equal right to speak as men (though this right was not a strong one for anybody in Baathist Iraq). Today, as the government becomes increasingly dominated by religious fanatics, women's rights are rapidly eroding. To make matters worse, fanatical militias roam the streets freely, attacking women who do not wear muslim veils. Women in Iraq may soon be forced to wear the horrible burkas imposed on Afgan women under the Taliban.
Isn't democracy wonderful?
If you want more information on what daily life looks like for many Iraqi's, please read the "Baghdad Burning" blog.
The searches are not fair....
Submitted by armywife on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 4:21pm.I'm sorry Drew
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 3:57pm.It is the UN's
Submitted by Phil Owen on Wed, 08/16/2006 - 6:24pm.Hehehe...
Submitted by No One on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 6:23pm.I like the way you articulated that. I totally agree with your point. I don't watch or listen to corporate media because it's too impossible to hear anything but what they are attempting to portray. It seems with the media, hyperbole is Job One, and deprecation is Job Two.
Thanks!
Hehehe...
Submitted by No One on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 6:30pm.I like the way you articulated that. I totally agree with your point. I don't watch or listen to corporate media because it's too impossible to hear anything but what they are attempting to portray. It seems with the media, hyperbole is Job One, and deprecation is Job Two.
Thanks!
EDIT: Um, somehow I messed up. I trust people are bright enough to figure out what I did wrong (Hint: I replied in the wrong place)... Am I really starting to going downhill this fast being only a week away from technically dead in the eyes of people under 20?!?!
Birthday?
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 9:13pm.No Comment.
Submitted by No One on Tue, 08/15/2006 - 9:28pm.