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Submitted by Phil Owen on Sat, 11/17/2007 - 5:09pm.
An interesting comment was posted here by Rhenda, our new council-member elect. Nobody can empower you but you. I ran for office. So could any other law abiding citizen. It is NOT the candidate's responsibility to try and make people care. Of course I only talked to the registered voters. I had a list of 25,000 and not enough time to talk to them all as it was. Why would I spend time trying to talk to people who wouldn't vote? They can live with the decisions the rest of of make, that's their choice. "Education and outreach" are jobs for political activists, not candidates. The standard practice for political candidates is to doorbell and literature-drop at homes of registered voters who voted in at least 2 of the last 4 elections. I noticed as I was literature-dropping for Meta's campaign that my list only had me going to about a fifth of the households in the neighborhood. At that rate of voter participation, it is easy for small groups of strongly enfranchised, well-organized people (read: realtors, developers, business people, powerful political parties, etc.) to determine the outcome of an election. The result is that people who are not strongly enfranchised or well organized (such as low-income people, ethnic minorities, youth, etc) get screwed in every election. Rhenda is right that it is not the responsibility of political candidates to build an empowered citizenry. Candidates for office are far too busy doorbelling active voters, stumping at forums, and fending off smear campaigns generated by editorial page directors. Candidates are so busy that it is even unwise for them to spend too much time talking to a single active voter. This is not to say that the "establishment" has no responsibility in the matter. The circles of people who are politically enfranchised are very tough circles to break into and are typically either hostile to or uninterested in newcomers. Participating in the political system can be difficult and confusing for the people who do not have the detailed knowledge of the system (ie codes, laws, budgets, comprehensive plans, and interpersonal relationships and personalities) that is held by members of the "establishment". For the average low-income person, trying to participate in the political system is akin to trying to play soccer for the first time, when you've never seen a soccer game and everyone already expects you to know the rules and won't explain the rules. It's frustrating and demoralizing, and gives rise to tremendous resentment and distrust. The "establishment" does have a responsibility to change its own culture. It has a responsibility to be friendly, hospitable, and resourceful to newcomers as well as to the disenfranchised. Every person who holds office, who has ever held office, who has ever run for office, or who has ever served in an appointed position has a responsibility to recruit and train members for an active citizenry. Candidates may find an excuse in the requirements of campaigning, but that excuse disappears the moment the campaign ends. Paul Wellstone set an excellent example of how to fulfill on this responsibility. The Highlander Institute offers another great example of how to empower large groups of people, though it operates outside of (and frequently against) the establishment. Our own local Neighborhood University looks like it could have vast potential. The abundance of low-quality local activism gives evidence to the fact that we badly need a high-quality school for effective activism in our town. But this won't work unless the most effective activists (are you reading this Rhenda?) eagerly and energetically participate.
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Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Sat, 11/17/2007 - 5:58pm.I don't disagree with you
Submitted by Phil Owen on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 12:50pm.I don't disagree with you about the benefits of direct democracy, but I think that to say that "'the system' is inherently disenfranchising" is pretty vague.
I gave an argument above explaining the details of how and why the system is disenfranchising, though my argument could also use a bit more development. I don't believe that representative government is "inherently" or "necessarily" disenfranchising, or in other words I think we could have a representative government and a far more empowered and engaged citizenry. The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
The problem with the system is that it is closed off to the majority of people. Participation requires knowledge and experience that most of us simply don't have. I'll offer an example:
A fellow I met recently at a party explained to me how the city's design review committee works (they have an open seat, and he was trying to convince me to apply). We had just been talking about the squabbling, interpersonal grudges, power plays, and general absurdity that seem to dominate politics. I said I wanted little to do with it all. I'd rather organize and run other people for office and encourage other people for the appointed positions.
He grinned and told me that I'd be just the right person to apply. The design review committee, he said, was made up primarily of old timers with little creativity or vision, and who are resistant to change. He said the way to influence them is to know the codes well, to be able to cite city code when making an argument. The codes apparently are vague enough to support a broad spectrum of arguments.
But I think it must be a little more complex even than this. You've got to know the codes, and you have to know the personalities. In any committee, you've got to know the culture, what will sway people, where there opinions sit, and what is important to them. But the codes alone are a heck of a lot of information to absorb.
What is true of the design review committee is also true of most every other appointed committee in every jurisdiction in the county. And it is especially true of the county Democratic Party.
Newcomers, particularly newcomers who are very passionate about particular issues, are usually shunted to "citizen advisory" committees that have little to no power or influence and represent only the basest kind of tokenism. They are patted on the back and congratulated, but then are offered little support and their views are generally ignored.
Newcomers to the political process ought to get the shit trained out of them. They should be trained on how the system works, the details of city and county code, the current political priorities, and introduced to the key players in the system. Then they should be trained on how to organize their neighborhoods and communities, how to run effective petitions, to doorbell and stump, to recruit and manage volunteers, to engage people.
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only if...
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 2:04pm.Only if there were some kind of organization, one or two blanket political organization... a caucus or, I don't know... party, that could do that sort of stuff!
(wink)
I say that as an active member of the Thurston County Democrats, and I would say that what you wrote is a great summary of what local political parties SHOULD be about. Bringing people into active politics, training them up and acting as a forum.
It doesn't make me hopeful...
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 2:09pm.This sort of education isn't in the best interest of any major political party. They are in a position of power, and the most important thing for them is to keep it. Generally, an informed citizenry is a threat to those in positions of power. If one party took this on it would be too tempting, I think, for them to skew the training in their favor. This kind of training, which is sorely needed, would need to come from a group independent of political parties.
Something like this?City
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 2:15pm.Something like this?
City Club Portland
City Club of Corvallis
The Municipal League of King County
Then again, I know Rhenda in her capacity of the TCD, and I'm not sure she'd be against the kinds of things Phil was writing about. Blue Tiger Democrats are up that alley:
This is good
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 2:20pm.To kind of reply to you a
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 2:44pm.To kind of reply to you a couple of comments back and mostly to defend the TCD, we have been trying over the last couple of years to be more about engagement and bringing more people into our process.
Rhenda was a big part of the decision earlier this year to allow for member voting rights in the TCD. This is a big deal because most local political organizations are based on precinct committee officers, which ends up disenfranchising a lot of people. If you aren't a PCO, usually you're out of luck. Not in Thurston County though, anymore. Here's a presentation I gave on membership.
Two years ago, and again this year, we're going to hold a series of pre-caucus forums to discuss what should be going into our platform later next year. We'll be discussing these online as well as in person.
Granted, we could do a much better job getting people involved. For example, last year I had the idea of doing a series of citizenship training events. "Skills for citizens" like lobbying your city council or writing a letter to the editor, that kind of thing. We ended up only pulling off two of them, lobbying the state legislature and running for office, but we're going to try this later. Hopefully. I think its a good idea.
A suggestion
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 3:22pm.I think the people of Olympia would benefit greatly if someone would do some formal trainings and create a pamphlet outlining the referendum and initiative processes through the city. You may remember the debate last year, and the confusion around this, regarding a referendum against the anti-sitting ordinance. Ever since then it's been on my mind how frustrating it was that the city was unwilling to make that process transparent. I've always wanted to do this, but never seem to have the time. It's a powerful citizen tool that should be made more accessible.
It's all about what others 'should' do.
Submitted by curveball on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 3:55pm.Don't the League of Women Voters do this kind of thing?
Or, couldn't some group of young and disenfranchised voters choose to make efforts towards this kind of thing?
The Thurston County Democrats HAVE gotten better in recent years; they've gotten better leadership. But just like any organization, or any business, or any non-profit, it's a handful of folk doing the heavy lifting while everybody else sits back and says 'you should do this'.
And I totally agree, it'd be great if there were ongoing and openly available education into this kind of stuff - but whose responsible really is it? Is it a parent's responsibility? A teacher's responsibility? The responsibility of the political parties? The responsibility of various advocacy groups? Couldn't/shouldn't it be shared responsibility amongst all?
I know one thing, it's the responsibility of the individual to LOOK for opportunities to educate themselves.
With the advent of
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 4:08pm.Working class
Submitted by curveball on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 5:45pm.You're saying (and I agree) that the endless pursuit for more and more material goods to keep up with the Joneses, the pervasive belief that more money or more stuff can buy you happiness or equates to success, combined with rising costs, stagnating wages and reduced public funding for things like college educations... makes it so that working class folks are challenged to remain informed, or get involved. Hell, they rarely even have time to get involved in their own kids' lives much less community activities or local/state/federal/global political issues. I make a nice living, have no kids, and I feel challenged.
I agree completely.
But you also seem to be implying that folks in the local political parties, or local candidates for office are somehow immune from all that, somehow not working class themselves. They are working class too. Maybe not poverty level, admittedly, though you know as well as I that there are lots of people in Olympia who ARE technically poverty level but manage to remain informed and involved.
My point is simply this. Just as the recent protests seem to be resulting in creating or exacerbating an existing divisiveness within those who agree that the Iraq war is wrong, so do comments that seem to distinguish locals who are involved in party politics from those who aren't - somehow alleging that they aren't 'working class' too.
We're all getting screwed here. We oppose the war, yet nobody is listening to us. Our taxes keep rising while our wages and benefits decline, but instead of banding together to fight, we spend way too much time breaking off into fractured little groups. It's very like the Democrats on a national level, pecking at each other rather than banding together like the Republicans. We've seen which strategy is more successful, why do we choose to follow the other model?
Ah,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 6:21pm.We do need to band together as progressives, you're absolutely right about that. I just don't think that means compromising our values. I value diversity, and politically I see a move toward values in city hall that clear the way for gentrification in Olympia, the threat of which has been heightened by the latest elections.
I will agree that outside of city hall, these local politicians may be working class. I think there is still something that separates the ruling class, even at a local level from the working class. I feel a definite disconnect between the two groups.
I will not advocate random violence. I think the protesters that threw rocks at the police car and the bank window were unwise to that in that moment. It was neither the time nor the place. PMR has a responsibility to fix any divisions that stem from the protest it "hosted". They need to have a series of public meeting with other groups in the peace movement in order to build solidarity. Non-violence can work, but they have to make sure to educate people that are prone to reaction when the police attack. We also have to realize that sometimes there may be people doing things unrelated to the main action, and that doesn't mean those actions are condoned by PMR.
initiative and referendum training
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 11:47am.Initiative and Refendum Guide for Washington City and Charter Counties. (Beware pdf file)
And, for the fun of all, civicolympia wiki.
COO Initiative and Referendum
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Wed, 11/21/2007 - 2:14pm.I think you may have Rhenda
Submitted by Phil Owen on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 2:57pm.I think you may have Rhenda pegged wrong, Rob. I don't think she is scared of or opposed to seeing communities mobilize. In fact, I think she and Craig could have really benefited if people who wanted to protect their rural culture had organized.
The "minority report", which Rhenda and Craig both worked very hard for, failed because developers succeeded in mobilizing people who viewed their land as an investment. There are a lot of people in this county who have watched their communities be destroyed by developers and who are furious about it. But they aren't organized, and the developers won.
The gist of Rhenda's comment that so offended you was that candidates for office don't have the time to mobilize people who don't vote. That's the darned truth.
But I also worry that the prospect of bridging the gap between the establishment and the disenfranchised may seem so gargantuan a task that Rhenda may not take it on as an elected official. I started this thread to suggest that Rhenda, along with a host of other recent candidates, is no longer a candidate for office. All that crap about a 4 minute limit per door, only doorbell active voters, don't waste time, use time well, don't bother if it won't get you a vote, etc is over. It's time to start engaging people.
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you confuse me
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 3:35pm.I've been pretty regularly offended by Ms. Strub's sound bites. A lot of people have. From, "we need housing most of us can't afford." to "we want retail customers, not social service customers." and now "only you can empower you." Just her laissez fair outlook in general regarding the needs of the average Olympian. She's catering to people who don't even live here yet and without being sworn in has sent what I feel is a clear message that she's not interested in listening to the people, and that it's not her job to reach out.
Allow me to point out the obvious
Submitted by rhenda on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 8:17am.before you trip over it. If I wasn't interesting in listening to people or reaching out, I wouldn't be here. I'd be off with my "naive", "laissez fair", "reeking with privilege" buddies having a glass of...(geez I can't even go anywhere with that because I am as common as salt and I don't know what people like that drink)...and yucking it up.
So, here I am, reaching out. And there you are, docent of this site, biting my hand. What's wrong with this picture?
Oh Rhenda,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 2:37pm.I've said quite a few times that I respect you for being on the blog and reaching out in this way, it's great.
I think, as a public figure, you should expect some public criticism, and I imagine you have a tougher skin than this.
I want to clarify something for you. I don't think you're an evil person. I don't think you want bad things for poor people. I do think you don't fully understand how certain things connect. Or how the choices we make, even when they seem remote, have direct and sometimes lasting affect on the community. We're divided right now and there people feeding off of it. Hell, The Olympian is outright promoting it and profiting off of it.
Thank you for posting here, I hope it means that you are willing to listen and learn, and change your mind.
Be like Gumby!
To get back to some of the original Phil comments...
Submitted by Debmonstrative on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 2:08am.I did not know that so many non-voting households existed, but it doesn't really surprise me, not even in this town. Thanks for the comments and awareness-raising. I'm glad Phil cited Wellstone Action, one of whose missions is to "get the vote out" by encouraging voter registration. This is not a new concept among many non-profits, particularly those who canvass door-to-door and hand out voter registration packets to everyone who isn't already registered. One (initiative) campaign I worked on in this state, where we dragged voter registrations around with us and handed them out left and right at the doorstep, indicated that about 75% of folks will complete their registrations right then and there and one has only to sweep the block again 10 minutes later and do some gathering. This is a lot of extra work and I wouldn't expect a candidate (unless they have tons of volunteers) would even consider this tactic, but really...talk about productive if you could...and imagine who many of the new voters would vote for?!
It would be great to see such a voter-registration effort build in this town...maybe we could start by getting Wellstone Action to sponsor a Camp Wellstone here (I would provide a link to this but I seem to have some sort of linking disability).
My last thought: People who go to the trouble to post on this and other blogs generally think it strange or lazy that there are so many non-voters out there, but I think it's largely human nature to tend toward inactivity or lack of knowledge, and that makes me more sympathetic. "To him/her who much is given, much is expected"....isn't it up to certain of us to organize, inspire, or arm-twist others to vote? Although lately I myself have been a lot more talk than action.
Representative Democracy
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 1:59pm.Representative democracy is classic top down leadership, the common person will never be taken into account as long as a few make decisions for many. Much like monarchy or state socialism, the people at the bottom, the people who really keep the country running don't have any say over their lives.
We do need to get involved and empower, and educate one another, but we need to do so in a way that is honest about the options available to them when the system is consistently leaving them and their values behind. Sometimes all people have is one another, and a road to block.
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Submitted by Phil Owen on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 5:10pm.My comment got eaten by the spam filter. Let me try again.
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Sometimes all people have is
Submitted by Phil Owen on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 5:12pm.Sometimes all people have is one another, and a road to block.
Wow, that's poetic. And it might make for a pretty slogan, but it is wildly imprecise.
There are situations that can leave people with only two options: to use direct action or to do nothing. These are the situations that lead to such a predicament: when elected officials refuse to listen to the overwhelming majority of voters (like Brian Baird on the Iraq War); when the majority of people are prevented from voting (Jim Crow); and when the minority of voters are faced with a majority that is flat morally wrong (eg widespread homophobia).
Even in these situations, the options between direct action and inaction are merely the only short term options. In the first situation, voters can work on mobilizing to elect a different candidate. It is possible to groom an effective opponent to Brian Baird. In the second situation a combination of lobbying, litigation, and dialogue can be used (and were very successfully used as a compliment to direct action in the civil rights campaign). In the third situation, mass education over the long term can make a difference. All of these are long term options, and are not mutually exclusive with a well planned and circumspect use of direct action.
Here's the problem with vague sloganeering: It does often offer a direction for action, but usually not for the right kind of action.
Local activists have become so incredibly myopic that they are often uable to effectively gauge the results of their actions. If they totally piss off the whole community, it becomes evidence that they are making a difference. If the government doesn't do what they want, it becomes evidence that government itself must be entirely rejected... even if every possible action to sway the government has not been used.
The belief that government is a monolithic, top-down, heirarchical, inaccessible, patriarchal oligarchy of the powerful in which "the common person will never be taken into account" leads activists to give up lobbying, voter mobilization, and litigation as real tools for change. Worse than that, the law of incrementalism (which says that tactics should start with the most cooperative and move slowly to the most confrontational) seems to be getting lost in all the sloganeering about "The Man". This alienates the broadest possible base of support, solidifies the opposition, and leaves activists marginalized and disempowered. It's gotta change.
Lastly, while the Paris Commune was a beautiful thing in its own right, it has little to do with present day circumstances. The Paris Commune sprang up to overthrow an absolute monarchy, not a democratic republic.
If the establishment has a responsibility to generate an active citizenry, we activist citizens have a responsibility to be shrewd and circumspect. In other words, we ought to stop shooting ourselves in the foot.
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Incrementalism is an idea
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 6:40pm.You sound
Submitted by DJW on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 3:39pm.You know, of course
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 3:45pm.Oh, I'm bitter all right...
Submitted by Phil Owen on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 4:22pm.But the most recent election isn't but the smallest part of that. Meta did well given her circumstances, and I've got little to be angry about (aside from the Olympian's smearing).
I'm bitter that the minority report failed to pass, and that the sidewalk ordinance failed to be defeated. I'm bitter that the HOME Consortium (elected officials) has butted heads for the last year with the Housing Task Force (service providers). I'm bitter that poverty is grinding down so many people in our region, but that it isn't a priority for local dollars. I'm bitter that local (and particularly downtown) development will primarily benefit (imported) Microsoft employees commuting to Seattle rather than the people who are already part of the community here. I'm bitter that we can't seem to get a year-round shelter for homeless families in operation. I'm bitter that the peace movement is marginal in a nation where the majority opposes the war, and is all but despised in a city that is nearly unified in opposition to the war. And I'm bitter that none of us, whether we are activist or establishment or both, can seem to get our act together to really change anything.
There. I've vented.
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Excellent stream of
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 5:04pm.Indeed. Needs a little
Submitted by Phil Owen on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 5:50pm.Indeed. Needs a little sugar and cream, doesn't it. Maybe some amaretto.
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Now would be the time
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 6:17pm.