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Submitted by DrewHendricks on Fri, 02/29/2008 - 3:29pm.
These are images made of the CAPCOM (Capital Communications) calls to 9-11 dispatch, showing who called and from what cell, where that cell phone was at the time of the call, and what dispatch did in relation to the call over the course of the evening. Enjoy!
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What's the significance of these docs?
Submitted by Rick on Sat, 03/01/2008 - 12:16am.Anybody know?
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Not much use actually....
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 03/01/2008 - 12:22am.They show who, where and why officers were dispatched. Basically Officer X at XXXX hours responding at XXXX location for XXXX problem...
I've seen the same thing for my two open carry stops and didn't even bother getting copies....
"Safety is a tyrant's tool; no one can be against safety."--Unknown
Utilities
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Sat, 03/01/2008 - 6:36am.We find out here, for instance, that the OPD responds with more officers than those five who wrote reports. We have all but two officers on OPD duty for that night being sent out to this incident - seven in all. They are Dan Wojtech, filling in for Sgt Partin (Who was sick) and Brian Wyllie, Chris Johnstone, Shon Malone, Jacob Brown, Duane Hinrichs and his Canine, and Jason Watkins. Wojtech and Watkins follow on a bit later than the other five, Wojtech bringing the riot gear. Jacob Brown leaves earlier than the others to handle a separate call (at 2:07, almost an hour prior to the rescue of the destroyed TCSO Cruiser) and pretty shortly after the incident began to degenerate into open rebellion.
The original rally point for the agencies is near the incident, at the intersection of Fireweed and Overhulse. As the police retreat, they have to move south a bit (about 200 meters) to Evergreen Drive at Overhulse. This is where the WSP sets its base of operations for coordinating the final push - in full armor - to get the vehicle back. By that time (around 3 AM), there is no more opposition. The reported time of the incident's origin - surrounding the TESC officer and refusing to let her leave with her prisoner - is 1:17AM. This comes from a cell phone (hers?) which is located by Enhanced 9-11 services as originating in Eld inlet, in the water about a mile north of the actual location and a bit East as well. The uncertainty rating is 923, of probably 1000. In other words, it is very hard to triangulate a cell call accurately (or even make one connect) out at Evergreen.
The first two OPD officers don't arrive until 1:27, and the other four don't arrive until 1:35 AM. Sgt. Wojtech arrives at 1:45AM. Thus it is almost 30 full minutes from the time of the original call until the OPD is present with their shift's leadership and riot equipment. Thurston County is already out there with five people, including Lt. Price. By 1:51 they are all already in full retreat to a second post, south of the original rally point by 200 meters. Around 1:50-2:00AM the TCSO car is disabled, according to eyewitnesses and videotape time codes.
All of this paints a very strong picture of an incident which escalated VERY QUICKLY once the OPD arrived and used force, and got far out of anyone's control.
Thank you, Drew.
Submitted by Mike on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 7:18am.Nice work!!
Submitted by wildleaf on Sun, 03/02/2008 - 4:13pm.This is extraordinarily helpful.
INCOMING CAN SLOW (what does this mean?)
ENR LOCATION W/OPD RIOT GEAR (who says this to whom?)
The Black Car Project http://autovoid.blogspot.com
I think...
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Sun, 03/02/2008 - 4:41pm.oops!
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 9:11am.Oh, and the timing info there says the original call is about 1AM - 1:03AM, OPD is called at 1:16:45 or so, then arrives on the timeline above (1:30-1:45) and THEN things go downhill within five, ten minutes. The TESC cop had been surrounded for 40 minutes or so, before the OPD opened up with the violence.
So
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 11:04am.Can the "can slow" message reasonably be taken to mean that the officers currently on the scene are not in imminent danger, and that the backup doesn't need to rush? If so, then doesn't the OPD have a harder time explaining their choice to use the force they did?
Sounds like it could be.
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 12:55pm.Given the situation though I'm sure it could change (or did change) very quickly. That may be why OPD stood outside for so long before moving in.
Huh?
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 1:24pm.I'm answering Rob's question
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 2:52pm.and had it in my head that one of the eye-witness accounts mentioned something about OPD being on the outside of the mob for awhile before trying to work their way in. I could be mistaken.
Seriously, they should have just fired canisters into the crowd. The only reason OPD escalated anything, was because they were dealing with a mob that didn't want to disperse. This seems like a clear case of, "I can do it better than the cops did, let me tell you how." from a few people who have little to no experience. I like you Drew, and when we've chatted I find you to be a great guy, and easy to have a conversation with. Given the level of anti-cop stigma that seems to float around you though, I have a hard time digesting anything you say that has to do with police work. To me you seem like the pinnacle of anti-police bias.
EDIT: I should have said, "I'm acknowleding the possibility that Rob's question is a valid one." I would also add, that it is a good question to ask, I wish I knew the answer.
Norm, honestly
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 3:03pm.Deploying canisters into the crowd doesn't seem like an option either, as there were other cops, without protective gear, in the crowd.
"they were dealing with a mob that didn't want to disperse." I think this is an untrue statement. The crowd was there demanding the release of the young man because they felt his arrest was unjust. I feel like you are unable to even consider the idea that had they let him go the crowd would have dispersed peacefully. I believe they would have, based on all of the information I have and first hand accounts that I've heard from multiple sources; and we were only moments away from finding out the answer to that when the OPD arrived and changed the dynamic.
None
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 3:13pm.but I don't pretend to have any either. I also tend to follow the police officers line of thinking (you have noticed me agreeing haven't you?) therefore I tend to not need the experience, I am siding with side that has the experience. Am I right?
The shooting the canisters comment was tongue-in-cheek
Rob, the mob was wrong. It was failing to disperse while the police were performing lawful duties. The cops should not have been bullied (that's what it was) into releasing the suspect, and the crowd had no right to demand it. The crowd was wrong, that is crux of this whole thing for me. Eveyone else wants to place blame all around. Had the mob not assembled, none of this would be newsworthy.
Now we're getting somewhere.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 3:34pm.I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. Look at the situation from a tactical standpoint. Right or wrong doesn't matter one single bit. The facts are that crowd took control of the situation by surrounding the police car, and the crowd was demanding the release of the man. The police not only have a duty to uphold the law, but to keep the peace, and protect the public. If you let the man go after getting his information, avoiding escalation in the process, and then question, arrest, whatever, the man the next day, what is wrong with that?
Nothing
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 3:45pm.See,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 4:04pm.Like I said before, we'll never know what would have happened had OPD taken another 10 minutes to get there. We only know what it looked like, and looked to me like the crowd was going to be appeased by the officers on the scene, and I can only imagine they would have dispersed without further incident. Instead, before they had a chance to just let everyone go for the night and revisit it in the morning, OPD came in and did what they did. I don't know what to call their actions except for provocative, and irresponsible.
I'll have to flip through the reports again
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 4:13pm.You can only imagine?
Submitted by Jurjen S. on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 1:04am.Frankly, I think this statement is indicative that you're simply refusing to entertain alternative possibilities, ones which would reflect less well on the protestors (I think that's a fairly non-prejudicial shorthand) and less badly on the OPD personnel. Let me put this to you: if there were evidence that the protestors refused to calm down and disperse after the TESC officer released the suspect, even if they had been afforded opportunity to do by the OPD personnel on site, would you then agree that OPD's actions were not "provocative and irresponsible"? I ask because one in the collected OPD reports, on page 8/12 at the end of the second paragraph, one OPD officer states:
Now, let me make it clear that I'm asserting this particular statement is the gospel truth; I will allow for the possibility that the officer's recollection may be flawed, or even that he is lying outright. However, my point is that it is less than open-minded to discount a priori the possibility that the protestors would not "have dispersed without further incident" even if given opportunity to do so after the suspect had been released.
As it happens, incidentally, I do think this officer's statement is flawed, but that because I am a member of the TESC Police Services Community Review board, and I took part in an hour and a half-long interview with the TESC Police Services officer yesterday. I also have in front of me a copy of her incident reports. The problem is that we, the PSCRB, do not have the authority to compel members of the other law enforcement agencies involved (i.e. TCSO, Oly PD, Tumwater PD and the WSP) to submit to being interviewed by us.
That is not to say, however, that I will take it as read that the OPD personnel acted precipitately. Bear in mind that by the time OPD personnel arrived on the scene (in front of the CRC), they encountered a crowd of 150-200 protestors surrounding the TESC Police Services patrol car, with the TESC officer and four or five TCSO deputies caught in the middle. Is it entirely possible that the OPD personnel were unable to determine what was going on at the center of the crowd; indeed, that is what they contend. From page 3/12 in the collected OPD reports:
And from page 9/12:This is not inconsistent with the statement of the TESC police officer, who stated that once she was inside her vehicle and the crowd had surrounded her, she was unable to see much of anything beyond the first row or two of people surrounding the car.So it's entirely possible that the OPD personnel arrived on the scene, perceived a situation in which a large crowd was on the brink of becoming violent towards a very small group of brother officers trapped in the crowd's midst--indeed, the people at the center of the crowd become become violent and it might take some time before the cops on the outside might even notice--and decided to intervene before the trapped officers got hurt. Would that have been "provocative and irresponsible"? Should the OPD personnel have stood by until they had ascertained beyond a shadow of a doubt that the officers in the crowd were being physically assaulted before so much as attempting to intervene? Are you open to the idea that there was any contingency in which the use of force by OPD would not have been "provocative and irresponsible"?
Excellent report and analysis...
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 1:09am.Thanks!
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
I'm still on the fence about this situation.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 1:30am.What can we do better in the future? That's the only question I'm interested in figuring out here.
One thing I think we can do better at is communication between law enforcement agencies. Another is having security at events that are trained, and aren't just some dudes friends who get into the show for free in exchange for doing security. I don't think criticizing the "mob" gets us anywhere, we can't change the behaviors of crowds, we can only hope to avoid letting situations escalate to the point they did that night. That will take some serious debate and lot's of work, and yes, it will take some vetting of police procedures. Wanting to question police tactics and protocol doesn't make us cop haters, it makes us responsible citizens who wish to avoid violence.
Let's see if this helps tip you
Submitted by Jurjen S. on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 6:32am.It's worth noting in this regard the context in which the first group of TCSO deputies were summoned to the scene. According to officer Meyers, she had arrested the suspect on the basis of a complaint made by volunteer members of event security, who pointed out the suspect to her. On the basis of the probable cause thus provided, she arrested the suspect, andas she was in the process of escorting him to her vehicle (with the intent of taking him to the TESC Police Services office to get his side of the story), she was confronted, first in the foyer of the CRC and subsequently at her patrol car (parked in front of the CRC) by various protestors, who insisted the arrest she was making was a illegitimate. In both instances, officer Meyers attempted to explain that she had been given probable cause to arrest the suspect, based on the information given her by the volunteer members of event security, and that if the protestors had information contradicting that probable cause, she would gladly take names and telephone numbers so that she could contact these people at the earliest opportunity to get their input. Being unwilling to leave the suspect handcuffed in the back of her patrol car, officer Meyers called for assistance for administrative purposes; the plan being to leave the TCSO deputies outside the CRC to take statements from anyone willing to come forward in the suspect's defense, while she would take the suspect to the TESC Police Services office in Sem. I. This she attempted to the best of her ability to communicate to the gathering crowd, but they were evidently not receptive, and when she tried to drive away, they blocked and surrounded her vehicle. Several of the TCSO's deputies immediately positioned themselves next to officer Meyers' patrol car, and that is more or less where the excerpts quoted above begin. I might note that in the intervening period since the riot, the informal complaints about the conduct of both officer Meyers and the TCSO have dissipated, and the focus has shifted to the response of the Oly PD personnel present. Indeed, the only formal complaint lodged has been directed at Oly PD, not TESC Police Services or the Thurston County Sheriff's Office. But according to both officer Meyers and the TCSO deputies, Oly PD arrived on the scene in response to their requests for assistance, and entered into direct physical confrontation with the protestors as a result of the TCSO lieutenant's request to be, well, be rescued.
Quoth Rob:
"I don't think criticizing the 'mob' gets us anywhere, we can't change the behaviors of crowds, we can only hope to avoid letting situations escalate to the point they did that night."
All the available evidence indicates that repeated attempts were made by the law enforcement personnel involved to de-escalate the situation prior to OPD becoming involved and resorting to force. Unfortunately, the majority of the protestors were not receptive to these attempts. Arguably, with the benefit of hindsight, the one thing that would have been most effective in preventing this situation from escalating would have been for officer Meyers to have ignored the protestors from the start, and to have bundled the suspect into her vehicle and whisked him away to Sem. I before a sizeable crowd had the opportunity to gather. I cannot come up with a plausible explanation why she did not do so (though I'm open to suggestions) except the one she proffered, namely that she wanted gather any available information that would have benefited the suspect (i.e. she was trying to be fair to the guy).
Moreover, I find the notion that "we can't change the behavior of crowds" to be disputable. Crowds are composed of individuals, and those individuals have a choice to become, and remain, part of that crowd. But let's suppose for the sake the of argument that you're right, and that indeed "we can't change the behavior of crowds"; where does that leave us? Evidently, crowds cannot be reasoned with, so that would appear to leave us with two options.
The first is to attempt de-escalation in the short term by acceding to each and every one of crowd's demands, no matter how unreasonable those demands might be. In other words, submitting to mob rule. Aside from the fact that this option strikes me as highly distasteful, it is also by no means guaranteed--or even likely--to be effective. Mobs are essentially bullies, and anyone who's encountered a bully in the schoolyard knows (or damn well should know) that when bullies succeed in getting what they want by bullying, the only effect is to encourage them to persist in their tactic of bullying, since it has proven effective in the past.
The second option is to come down hard and fast on any mass gathering, and nip it in the bud before it gets the chance to turn into a violent mob. No need to worry about the Constitution, because if "we can't change the behavior of crowds," there can be no such thing as "peaceable assembly"; by its very nature, the question whether any given crowd will turn into a violent mob if it doesn't get what it wants (and likely even if it does) is a matter of "when," not "if." Clearly then, the most effective way to keep the peace and protect the public (which is
Are you sure either of those options is what you had in mind? If a sufficently large group of religious conservatives descends on the state capitol demanding the immediate outlawing of abortion in the state, the immediate installation of Tim Eyman as governor-for-life, and the deployment of every police force in the state to patrol neighborhoods on Sunday mornings and consign to internment camps anyone caught not attending a Protestant religious service, should we give them their way rather than (horrors!) escalate the situation? Or should we send in every cop in the county (WSP included) in full riot gear, give them one (and only one) chance to disperse voluntarily, and let anyone who refuses take their lumps?
woah, I'm done.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 10:43am.Whipping out my red pen real quick, your last paragraph was absurd, try to refine your thoughts into your own words. For one, you've compared apples to oranges, for two, these kinds of comparisons don't work very well on people.
See ya, then
Submitted by Jurjen S. on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 2:32am.Yes, my last paragraph was absurd; that was the point. From the Internet Dictionary of Philosophy:
By claiming I've "compared apples to oranges," I presume you mean that I've applied your argument to a group you don't sympathize with?Crowd control manuals
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 3:19pm."si vis pacem, para bellum"