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Submitted by Berd on Tue, 12/01/2009 - 12:40am.
These are two excellent films. I saw them earlier tonight, and I think it was good to see them juxtaposed with each other. Shows run two more days, with showings on each this Tuesday and Wednesday. I thought Capitalism was the best Michael Moore movie I have seen yet, and I have seen most of his films. The Yes Men are hilarious, I was totally cracked up quite a few times. Andy and Mike have real potential to spark a serious movement of education about and resistance to the essential destructiveness that exists within the current establishment. If you have seen these films, you probably understand what I am getting at. If you haven't seen these films, then you really owe it to yourself and everyone else to get to the theater and see them. The status quo of harmful competition doesn't stand a chance against an educated and activated populous. Links to descriptions from the Olympia Film Society website:
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Comment on the Movies
Submitted by Berd on Tue, 12/01/2009 - 9:03pm.The following is a comment that I am posting anonymously, and with permission. The person who made this comment also spoke glowingly about the Yes Men film.
what an impression
Submitted by chad360 on Wed, 12/02/2009 - 8:43am.Moore would get more support from me if he lived a better lifestyle himself.
Given that, I'm impressed that his movie prompts change.
My comment is that the "way to go" is by "banking" with credit unions.
Transfer/rollover any credit card debt into a credit union account secured through a credit union, keep your mortgage & car loans in a credit union, and look at land trusts as a way to invest in your community.
Several farm land trusts are forming in our community, and we will soon see residential land trusts inside the City.
Lower the price to live in Olympia for yourself and future generations by donating your residential property after your use to a land trust foundation, or form one yourself.
That is what I'm planning on doing with the 1974 HUD structure I'm calling home, as well as getting involved with farmland protection in our region.
Eh.
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Wed, 12/02/2009 - 11:51am.I haven't seen the movie yet, but the commitments made by the anonymous source seem a little discouraging.
Maybe I'm projecting. I guess I want the film to be about, or at least have an over arching thesis related to directly challenging capitalsim. Clearly, the most direct way to subvert the competitive market is through bottom up, democratic economic planning and cooperative production. Add in a reappraisal of what can be considered private property (your house = private, your saw mill = expropriated) and then we're cooking.
Shopping different and giving presents different just doesn't cut it.
check this guy out if you want
http://www.robinhahnel.org/
So...
Submitted by SMASH on Fri, 12/04/2009 - 12:22pm.What are your thoughts now that you've seen it? Do you feel that the overarching thesis was related to directly challenging capitalism?
I do. The film may be short on solutions, but it takes the first and most important step of trying to get people to recognize that a problem even exists -- and in this heavily propagandized country that's a formidable task. Most of the reviews and comments I've seen generally amount to: "evil? that's just crazy talk. everyone knows capitalism is good. duh!"
meh
Submitted by chad360 on Sat, 12/05/2009 - 11:19am.Money is a tool, but I don't need Moore to tell me about it, and the folks that are disinclined to listen to "liberal/left" talk will be even less "open" to seeing and getting the gist of what Moore is trying to say...
... btw, where does Moore put his capital and what does he do with it? He spends a bunch of money driving and flying all over like some sort of self-elected social meme guru, which is mildly off-putting for me. My tip: stay home and help your community, go backpacking for a change, loose some weight.
Folks need to focus on our loss of legal control over our GOV, ala Naomi Wolf, et al-
-and folks need solutions to help get out of the "chasing capital" rat-race, not "I told you so" from the "well-to-do/well-off/not missing meals/have a place to live" media sidelines.
Money is a tool, just don't use yours to hit someone else over the head and it will be all good, but the worst perpetrator to mis-spending is our GOV.
Just look at what it does with our money:
Death and Taxes
Michael Moore and the Root of Our Problems
Submitted by Berd on Sat, 12/05/2009 - 1:01pm.Chad, my first response to reading your post was, "ack!"
Have you seen the movie?
I don't think it's fair to criticize Michael Moore for being fat, or for the travel that is necessary for his work.
This is a very profound film, it is clear, it is provocative, it shows how capitalism, at least practiced in the truly amoral fashion that it is today, is fundamentally destructive and harmful. It's an important message.
That's why it's shocking to see the low numbers of turn-out in the theaters, and the reviews that are so automatic to defend capitalism. Capitalism, it can be rightly argued, hurts all of us.
So why are so many people so quick to defend the "abusive parent" that is capitalism? Well, it makes me wonder if our disease goes much deeper than most people think it does.
scope and scale
Submitted by chad360 on Sun, 12/06/2009 - 10:36am.Hey Berd, I hear you, but I do think it is critical to look at what Moore does with his capital-
-and no, I have not watched the last 3-4 Moore films. Moore is too simplistic and banal for me to take (not enough meat and too much gotcha journalism).
Complaining about capitalism is like complaining about the weather, and while weather is not good or bad, there can certainly be good days and bad days where weather aligns with our goals or thwarts them...
...but that is an individual event, not "weather in general".
Capitalism is not the individual that acts wrong, or the system that "allows it".
People make choices and to diminish the responsibility of the individual in the face of blaming a stateless meme is frankly curious.
I think the low attendance to watch this movie can be explained by the lack of comprehension that most folks have about economics.
This Film
Submitted by Berd on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:59am.I really encourage you, and everyone, to see this most recent of Moore's films. It's really outstanding - I think it's his best by far. The soundtrack is great. So is the editing. I usually find Moore's films to drag on - and although this one is long - it was gripping to the end - and packed with great information about and insight into the system we live in.
Trailer for Michael Moore's Capitalism: A Love Story
Submitted by Berd on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:57am.Capitalism: A Love Story
thanks Berd
Submitted by chad360 on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 9:26am.I will keep you favorable review in mind, as well as an open mind about Moore.
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