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Submitted by emmettoconnell on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 10:58am.
This week there will be more pedestrian interference talk (which I don't need to elaborate on I hope), a somewhat strange staff report on police photography and the end of the budget cycle (which I won't write about, but you should know its here).

As always (except last week when I thought the council was being covered well enough on its own) this is the "What's on the city council's plate this week" review. I don't cover everything, so if you want the full rundown, read the packet and agenda yourself.

1. If you haven't let your voice be heard on the pedestrian interference ordinance, where the heck were you? This week (at least on the agenda), the council will make their vote.

As a sort of background, there are also two other ordinances the council is considering, in addition to the much talked about "sidewalk sitting" ordinance.

The first is the "boot and tow" rule that increases the penalties for parking infractions. From what I can see, this is a rule change to decrease the number of junkers around town.

The other is focussed on property owners downtown who don't keep up their properties. The city can declare a "public nuisance" to these buildings and take actions against their owners.

You can find pdf files of both ordinances here. So, with all of the talk about the one ordinance, what is anyone's opinion on these two?

2. Here is the strangest staff report I've ever read. Its about the police department's photography work during public events around town. Read, if you dare:

BACKGROUND: Over the past several years members of the Olympia Police Department have either video recorded or digitally photographed community events and protests occurring in areas open to the public. On some of those occasions, members of the public have questioned why the Department followed this practice; if the practice was consistent with First Amendment rights; and what became of the results of the photography done at such events. The General Government Committee requested that the Department provide it with information addressing those questions.

ANALYSIS AND OPTIONS:
What is the Department’s current practice?

The Olympia Police Department supports the right of citizens to freely associate without government interference and respects the protections afforded by the First and Fourth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States. In fact, one of the values listed in the Department’s Statement is “Treating people equitably and with respect for individual rights.”

As a capital city, we have a number of public demonstrations every year. Making sure that these events occur in a manner that both assures the First Amendment rights of the participants and protects the rights of others to move about safely and to have no damage occur to their property is a task the OPD takes seriously. These events range in size from a few participants standing silently on street corners to hundreds of demonstrators taking to the streets. The majority of demonstrations are well planned with leaders cooperating with law enforcement and the City Of Olympia. Others are conducted without any cooperative planning efforts at all and are designed to intentionally disrupt the community as a means of drawing attention to a cause. While it does not always occur, it is also not uncommon for participants in demonstrations (usually just a few) to engage in criminal acts. Our policy has always been to facilitate lawful demonstration, but to act decisively to assure that threats to persons or property are dealt with as quickly and positively as possible. We believe our overall reputation in dealing with demonstrations and protests is excellent, although there certainly have been a few experiences over the years that we would – in hindsight – have done differently.

When the Department elects to use photography, it is always either at the scene of a crime or in an instance where we can articulate that there is a clear possibility that a criminal act may occur, and where having a photographic record could produce important evidence. Public demonstrations and protests fall into that latter category. We can articulate, based on past experience, that demonstrations and protests – particularly unplanned ones – can result in criminal acts being committed. We can also articulate how video and still photography will produce important evidence in those situations. So, currently, the Department uses photography at public events for two purposes: 1) to document any crimes that may be committed against persons or property; and 2) to document the interactions between the police officers and members of the public if arrests need to be made or if confrontations occur. The Department has never hidden the fact that it does this kind of photography. The video taping or photography is conducted overtly by plainclothes employees using hand held equipment.

What happens to the video or photographs taken during a public demonstration?


If the Department records illegal activity or officers making arrests, the video recordings or photographs are kept as evidence. They are booked into our evidence system and retained, as is required by law. All public disclosure laws that apply to release of the police reports also apply to photographs or videos in such instances.

If no criminal activity occurs, the videos and photographs are destroyed, because we have no valid reason to retain them – not to mention that we don’t have the capacity to store video and still photos that have no value. The photos are destroyed as soon as it is determined that they have no value as evidence. For events where no crimes occurred, destruction often takes place the same day the photos were taken.

Our current practice is in line with those of a number of other law enforcement agencies in the Northwest. We’ve reviewed policies from the San Francisco Police Department in California, the Washington State Patrol and the King County Police Department here in Washington. All require either an “articulable and reasonable” suspicion that criminal activity may occur or that a “criminal predicate” exists, based on factual information, before any filming of public events occurs. If criminal activity does not occur during an event, they also destroy photographs or videos as we do.

Some departments do retain video images or photographs taken at demonstrations and protests for the purpose of training. Olympia has not made it a practice to use photography from events that involved no criminal activity for training purposes, and we have no interest in changing that practice.

Summary

The Department uses photography only for legitimate public safety purposes. When we can reasonably say – as we can in the case of demonstrations and protests – that crimes may occur at an event and that photography would provide valuable evidence should they occur, we take pictures. We don’t take pictures just to identify people who participate in protests; to put pictures of our work in scrap books or to do anything other than address potential crime issues. If crimes do occur and arrests are made, we process our photos as evidence. If no crimes occur, we consider that a success, and we destroy our photos as soon as we know they have no evidentiary value.
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As much as I hate the idea

As much as I hate the idea of the government taking pictures at rallies and events, this goes back to my point regarding taking a picture of a woman breastfeeding in public: when an action is happening place in public domain, taking photographs is not illegal. This is a big reason why private property is the sanctuary of the private citizen, free from any and all government interference.

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speaking of private

speaking of private property, whats your opinion on the code enforcement ordinance? Is there an inherent right to keep to keep your property as trashy as you want, even it is mucks up the place?
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Yep

Yes, it is. As long as the crap on your property is staying on your property, do whatever you want. I also posted last night regarding how disputes between property owners should be handled (because having trashy property will definately create a stir among your neighbors).

The last thing we need, though, is the government to say that a building isn't "up to snuff," if you will.

It's your building on your property. Do whatever your little heart pleases with it. As I said last night, if a neighbor has a problem with it they should have the fortitude to walk over and attempt to work the problem out with you. If you're a good neighbor, you'll seek a way to resolve the situation and listen to their concern. If you're not, binding arbitration may become necessary. Either way, no government intervention is required.

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I totally agree, TFI.

People have become overly reliant on law enforcement at the expense of their own social skills.

For instance, it seems these days a lot of people would call the police rather than ask their neighbors to turn down the music. Honestly, are armed professionals necessary in this situation? It seems to me that a little courteous communication might be more appropriate. Try this: "Excuse me, but would you mind turning the music down? Thank you." A little known fact: most people respond very positively to a polite request. (Though Joe Hyer may claim otherwise.) In fact, most people are more responsive to this than they are to the cops knocking on their door.

There is a lot of talk now about misuse of the emergency room. Perhaps people don't realize that the police are in fact emergency personnel. Maybe we should use them as such, rather than as a personal support team who can solve every little problem we have that feels awkward.

Sorry to hijack, but that is a pet peeve of mine.

But anyway, back to the point. When it comes to the Olympia Police surveillance, my concern has mostly to do with the Patriot Act, and what other agencies (such as the NSA, FBI, etc.) may have access to this footage, and what they may be using it for. These agencies actually do monitor and target people who are civically engaged, even if these people are not criminals. I doubt that the Olympia Police Department does a lot of this kind of work, since so much of their time is taken up mitigating people's problems with their upstairs neighbors' music, or a homeless person standing in front of their business, or a neighbor's scrap pile that they want moved.

I'm not sure what the salary is for an Olympia Police Officer, but I am certain it is much more than we need to be paying someone to deal with our simple interpersonal problems.

Jade

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Sorry to hijack, but that is

Sorry to hijack, but that is a pet peeve of mine.

Nope, no hijacking. I agree with you. People today seem to think of law enforcement personnel as "armed social workers."

I don't think law enforcement should be prohibited from taking photographs at public events. Hell, from my understanding of previous demonstrations (e.g. college campus riots, celebrations after a professional championship, etc.) they just use the photographs taken by the news media (or photographs taken by private citizens which are then posted into the public domain, such as MySpace, Facebook and other online photosharing outlets).

Looking at The Olympian's online photo gallery, the Olympia Police Department just has to point and click to get the same pictures they would be taking. In a way you could think of it as "outsourcing" to the private sector, if you will.

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And I too agree with Jade and TFI

You guys are on the money.

Jade for Chief of Police :)

"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." Leo Tolstoy.

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"Jade for Chief of Police

"Jade for Chief of Police :)"

Heh, heh.  Right on.

The Canaanite's Call
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LOL

Be careful what you wish for.

Jade

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If the general public is

If the general public is free to digitally capture police situations how is this any different than police doing the same?  It's a two-way street as far as I'm concerned.

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I always just assumed that the police did that stuff..

It is interesting to see what they do with the footage (where it ends up..)

Youtube maybe?
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two-way street

I didn't realize that I had government approved authority to use a taser on somebody, or carry around a pistol in plain view.

"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."

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Pfftttt, c'mon enpen, you

Pfftttt, c'mon enpen, you can do better than that!
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seriously

It's an intentionally ridiculous comment, Norm. I don't think a reasonable argument can be made that police and citizens should have the same level of regulatory freedoms. Police work is a job, after all, whereas a citizen's existence is mostly chance. I don't like the idea of this. Why, I ask, when there is a systematic history of abuse, should we trust our government to do what is "right" when it has access to this sort of information?

"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."

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I know it was intentionally

I know it was intentionally ridiculous, it just didn't seem like a good comparison. One is a public safety issue, the other is a privacy issue.
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fair enough

Here's another one, then. If a Police Officer runs my license they have immediate access to my criminal history (at least in the State). We, as citizens, do not have similar immediate access to Officer records. The problem I see with taking video and pictures of protesters is that it is argued as a public safety issue (they do it for our safety).

"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."

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I didn't realize that I had

I didn't realize that I had government approved authority to use a taser on somebody

Actually, if you can articulate why you needed to use a Taser on somebody (e.g. self defense), you do have government approved authority.

or carry around a pistol in plain view.

Don't worry. Some of us are still working on this one.

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RE: "or carry around a pistol in plain view..."

Is this something that is enforced?

I know several folks in Lewis County who walk around like that all the time..

(I cant shoot guns, they hurt my ears every time i try...)
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as far as i know, and that might be all wrong

you need a permit to carry a concealed weapon.  carrying a weapon out it the open probably doesn't require a permit but most likely will get you into some trouble, particularly if you are entering a bank.

"I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
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Thats just city slicker talk..

I tell you what...
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I suppose it depends on the

I suppose it depends on the setting. I carry openly while hiking in certain areas. Earplugs are great for shooting btw
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A great tool to catch food with..

But for recreation, eh..

Id rather pick mushrooms..
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Venison good..

Venison good..
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I rarely hike with one

I rarely hike with one anymore, but when I do it has nothing to do with animals...at least not the ones on 4 legs.
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I wouldnt wanna hike with a loaded gun..

I wouldnt wanna hike with a loaded gun..

Id end up shooting myself in the wee - wee.
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Gun goes on hip, barrel does

Gun goes on hip, barrel does NOT point towards weewee. *shiver* those guys that put their gun into their waistband in front, make me wanna cry Cry
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heh

"Actually, if you can articulate why you needed to use a Taser on somebody (e.g. self defense), you do have government approved authority."

I don't think an articulated reason of "he wouldn't leave the library when I ordered him to do so" would cut it, though.

As far as carrying a firearm in plain view, I'm for that, personally. I also think firearm education should be a part of the public school curriculum in an attempt to lessen general ignorance and stupid behavior.

"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."

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Well, I suppose it all

Well, I suppose it all depends on whether or not you want public servants whose job is to "keep the peace". There's a reason they have more legal power than an average citizen.
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Hey Emmett

Thank you for writing these up. I've begun looking forward to reading'em.

"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."

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Yes

Thank you. Your summaries are such a great resource. Not everyone has time to attend meetings, or even catch them on TCTV. Its nice that there is a way to stay some what in the loop.

Jade

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awww... thanks you two

I have to be honest, sometimes I get discouraged when no one comments. But, I'd be downloading the packets anyway, I might as well write something.

Thanks for your support!
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'Splainin' to do...

Sorry, I'm the reason for the bizarre report about police photography...

My WIP Article covers this issue in more detail; I also objected to the practice before the City Council in person, twice. The first was last year after two OPD Detectives took photos at May Day 2005 in Sylvester Park, and during the march. The second time was this year, after we found out that Paul Lower had destroyed Port protest videotape he shot on May 30th 2006, which I had requested two days later on June 1st. Turns out they were supposed to keep it for at least 30 days after the disposition of the court case which is still lingering on...according to OPD Records Clerk Jeannelle Stull and the published schedules for document retention you can find here, and here more specifically.

Meanwhile, Oly Copwatch keeps its videotape in a library so that we can literally show you any footage we have ever shot, more than 65 Mini-DV tapes so far. OPD uses a handful at any one time, and only retires one into an evidence bag if they think they have to. But in re-using their tape, they greatly increase the likelihood that it won't be playable or record properly in the first place - which they claim was the situation with the May 30 2006 videotape which Paul Lower says he destroyed.

"The greatest hoax played on the masses is that their individual voice is nothing amidst the cacophany of world events." - enpen, an Olyblogger (2006)

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Open carry law on firearms is a subjective law

You can read the law on open carry.  Basically you need to know your audience.  Carrying a gun on your hip in Lewis county is likely to not cause alarm, but doing so in downtown Olympia would probably cause alarm.  So in Olympia you likely would get arrested, but in Morton you might not.  Since it is a subjective law I wouldn't hang my hat on my not getting arrested for open carry.

"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." Leo Tolstoy.

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cause for alarm

Indeed, you will find many people in Lewis County carrying a gun on their hip.  This disturbed me at first, but I came to the conclusion that I'd rather know a person is carrying a gun then not to know they are carrying a gun on their person.  I might not be happy with guns, but if guns are out there I would rather know they are there then not.  I don't suspect my expressing alarm in seeing a person wearing a gun in Lewis County would have gotten me much from law enforcement and honestly it would not have been necessary.

I am wondering, OlyCop, if someone wore a gun on their hip in downtown Olympia how would you, in your professional capacity handle the situation.  The gun wearer is just on the street, not going into any establishments were guns would be prohibited.  You get a call to respond to an alarmed citizen that just saw a person with a gun on their hip.  Are you expected to deal with the alarm of this person by somehow dealing with the gun wearer.

I have to warn you, OlyCop, this is a trap.  Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of Olyblog.



"I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
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thanks for the open carry link OC

thanks for the open carry link OC...

It doesnt say we cannot openly carry metal boomerangs..



A loophole?

I saw these in a movie once...
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nunchaku?

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Ah, no loophole

RCW 9.41.270

Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm — Unlawful carrying or handling — Penalty — Exceptions.

(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.
 

"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." Leo Tolstoy.

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LMAO

LMAO..

I could maybe get a metal boomerang permit?

Then I could conceal it (somehow..)
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Then I will remain silent and wait for my attorney, TFI :)

We have had those situations over the years. We have had long arms, pistols, and machetes, swords, bows and arrows (both crossbows and bolts, and long bows and arrows). As far as I know, in every situation the person(s) were arrested. And in each of the situations the persons were only carrying the weapons, not menancing, or displaying, or threatening.

Its a bad law. I believe it should either be allowed or not. If you leave it up of interpretation, you have a potential mess on your hands.

As for what I would do, I have discretion in all crimes except treason, and within 4 hours of a DV assault occurring, each are a must arrest situation. So I will look at the totallity of the circumstances, and the reasonableness of the complainants, and decide from there.

My advice is when in doubt carry concealed, but only if you have a CPL.

"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." Leo Tolstoy.

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Amen

Best money I spent at 21.
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