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Submitted by enpen on Wed, 02/13/2008 - 11:59pm.

I went off on a tangent in the Otto's thread and I wonder if more OlyBloggers in the downtown know could chip in to help. Here's what has been posted thus far:

Initial post: Is it just me or do the rents in downtown Olympia seem prohibitively high for small local businesses? I've read that Olympia has/had a 15% vacancy rate which is deemed acceptable. The only local thing I turned up on numbers was the Business Examiner's write up on Pierce County. According to it Pierce County (the entire thing) had commercial vacancy rates of 6.75% in 2007. Fife was their high at 14.29%.

I think the rental rates in downtown Olympia are cost prohibitive for too many local entrepreneurs which leads to an increase in vacant commercial spaces. Why are the downtown commercial real estate owners willing to accept the loss of income from so many vacancies?

Responses:

Mathias: they base their rent prices on the possibility of what Olympia could become, rather than what it is. Unfortunately there's hardly anyone really taking steps in turning that possibility into reality. Olympia can be great, and we're already paying for it, but we don't have it yet...

Guglielmo: One explanation is that property owners maximize expected rental income by forgoing low-rent leases in favor of the possibility of landing someone willing to pay considerably more. Doesn't make it "right." Just is. They are "speculative" vacancies in the landlords property portfolio.

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Free Market

It's private property in a free market. 
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Property owners are free to allow space be vacant

or fill it with bargain basement leasees. In that respect it is a "free" market. Property owners can't do anything they want with their property, however. There are restrictions.

Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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I would say that most rents

I would say that most rents are better than market rate and run around one dollar a square foot per month or listed as twelve dollars per square foot which is the yearly rate. There are a few Seattle developers who are charging higher rates and as noted those buildings site empty. The problem has little to do with rent rates and more to do with a declining disposable income in Downtown. Market rate housing with more community and higher disposable income is the answer to any and most situations that people feel are unacceptable in Downtown Olympia.
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Do you have any more specific information on

downtown's declining disposable income? I can certainly understand the commercial benefits of increasing the disposable income of downtown consumers, but I wasn't aware of a disproportional decline in income that specificaly affects the downtown.

Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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the empty buildings

Is all (or almost all) of the vacant commercial property in downtown Oly owned/managed by an out-of-city business interest?

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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I'm not sure of the exact

I'm not sure of the exact proportion, but no. There is a problem with absentee ownership, but they are sometimes only absent in upkeep, and not in actual proximity. There is a code enforcement officer who would probably know for sure, but she's on vacation until Tues. I'll ask her then and get back to you.
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Thank you for this, Katherine

Do you happen to know the definition of an absentee owner? And if an owner is absent, what happens?

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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i really want to pipe in....

... gathering my thoughts... mathias
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... I scratched several of my proposed entries...

... as I have no clue about the realities of the real estate market.

All I know is that if we SEX up the city, people will come and start taking downtown serious and vacant spaces fill up and people's understanding of downtown will extend beyond the two streets Capitol Way and 5th.

Did you know that the asking price for the old Talcott Jewelrey place was $725.000 for sale?? That included the 4 bedroom upstairs apartment, but the place was a huge mess and needed alot of renovation. I don't think the bicycle place is even using the upstairs yet.

What a shame - it would make for a killer loft apartment.

 

mathias 

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