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Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 12/20/2007 - 5:22pm.
I want to share something I learned last Spring. I nearly had a meltdown at work, a combination of pressures there and external pressure's with my girlfriend's Cancer and treatment. I didn't actually do or say anything that could have gotten me in trouble, but I felt strongly that something could have exploded at any moment and I didn't trust my ability to control myself.
» So I made some calls and discovered a place in town. After an introductory meeting where it was determined I didn't appear socio or psychopathic I enrolled in a three month course. I'll be willing to share necessary specifics in PM but since I was one of the few in my class who wasn't there for domestic violence or court ordered reasons I don't want to put too much in the open that could embarrass people. The main thing that we had to understand before we could move on was that nobody can make you angry. Anger is a natural emotion that is directly related to Adrenaline and our Fight-or-Flight reflexes from Neolithic days. It's completely linked with fear, whether it's fear of being attacked, or fear of losing power, or fear of humiliation, etc. There's five degrees of Anger (don't ask me to remember the proper order, but there's Irritation, Indignation, Fury, Rage and I think Wrath...I can verify later.) The first two levels you're still in control of your actions and reactions. The final three you're in an increasing state where you honestly have no control. Have you ever reached the boiling point and just lost it? Someone dropped the final straw and you said or did something you regretted? Have you ever exploded and then suddenly were empty of energy and couldn't remember specifics about what just happened? Have you ever observed, or had observed of you, that someone seemed like a completely different person when they lost their temper, and couldn't be recognized? These things happen, more for some than for others but I guarantee that even people you would never imagine this of (such as Sarah or Rob Whitlock...hope I don't offend you two by using you as examples) are capable of reaching this point under the right combination of external circumstances and their method of reaction. The first thing is to recognize what your body does when you're angry. This is something it will always do, you really won't be able to control it: Some people tense up. Some people get aggitated, others become more calm and direct. Some breath fast, some become petrified. Some turn red, some have increased heartrates, some have to pee. This can all happen over very minor things. Traffic. Phones that won't stop ringing. Whining kids. Dripping Faucets. Customers that keep coming in. Hunger. Sleepiness. Achiness. And you might not even realize that you're experiencing the telltale signs of Anger. You're in the first levels of Irritation or Indignation. Once you recognize in yourself the signs of your own anger it becomes easier to realize it and do what works for you to deflect it. In my case, either a quick break away from the desk, or doing some work with my hands (such as the dishes) without talking often works. If a shouting match is going on, nobody's going to win but one or both of you might lose. So let's take how some people have been feeling about Tschida and some of his comments. Me, I personally don't get as bothered as much as some others. I should amend that that to say "I don't get bothered as much anymore." because I don't always practice what I preach. I can probably say the same for Krull. But back to Tschida: A number of OlyBlog's more prolific contributors have not liked his style of communication. I don't support his style 100% but, hey, there are still people who aren't comfortable with mine. "The Gang" have every right to feel whatever emotion they feel, in that respect I agree with them that people shouldn't be ridiculed for not having a thick skin. But let's say for the sake of argument a decision is finally made to 86 Tschida from OlyBlog. (A decision I wouldn't like.) The same people will still feel angry or upset if they happen upon his comments in another website, or even if they merely think back on these times. This isn't meant to excuse hostile or detrimental behavior; it's not meant to suggest that people don't need to accept responsibility for their words and actions. I just wanted to present a perspective on emotions and how we handle them. What little I've shared of my classes is barely the tip of the iceburg of the rich mine of information on the psychology of Anger. But I paid $520 (I got a discount since financial worries was a major factor in my stress at the time.) and I don't want to give all of it away for free.
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I admit that Tsch's innability to respectfully acknowledge
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 12/20/2007 - 6:22pm.Just kick him off already.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 12/21/2007 - 11:13am.Just kick him off already. "Olyblog" pounces on Chris each and every time there's a little bit of space to do so. It's a bit much anymore.
Yeah, some things do get old
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 12/21/2007 - 11:17am.They sure do.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 12/21/2007 - 11:23am.I found this conversation after I wrote this...
Submitted by Tschida on Fri, 12/21/2007 - 1:34pm.I have posted stuff that is out side the snide generalization that I have an "unquenchable search for conflict". Again you don't know me, but you spend a hell of a lot of time telling me how to say what I have to say rather than dealing with the issue at hand, and you assert I have "unquenchable search for conflict". I would not be far off if I suggested you are projecting here. I have posted many items that are free from conflict. The post about The Oyster House restaurant would be the most recent example. Is that an "unquenchable search for conflict" or "hate speech"? I think not.
Further, I think that this comment would prove the assertion that I have an "inability to respectfully acknowledge, for one second, the comments of his fellow Olybloggers about the effect he has on the atmosphere here." ""unwillingness to cop to his modus operandi" Two things about this statement come to mind. You don't seem able to understand what my 'modus operandi' is, as you tend to complain about yours and others feelings. You also seem to infer that I deny what my 'modus operendi' is.... To the very best of my memory I have not denied my so called 'modus operendi'. I am always willing to help."
Does this fit your claim? Is this an “inability to respectfully acknowledge, for one second, the comments of his fellow…” I don’t think so. Do you disagree? C.
---- And you have the gall to say I am being defensive!---- How bizarre is that behavior? I give examples of where you are clearly mistaken in your assertions about me, then you declare that I am defensive, only to go on and make the above statement. So I'm accused of by Gug of "pathological intransigence" or the unwillingness to abandon an extreme position or attitude. It is odd to me that it is repeatedly pointed out the attacks on me personally, are acceptable but if I disagree with the ideas and issues offered, I am committing acts of 'hate speech' and ad hominem attacks on the people saying these things not the ideas them selves. Does this seem backwards and upside down to anyone but me? C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
I'm not attacking you at all
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 12/21/2007 - 2:48pm.Bucko?
Submitted by Tschida on Fri, 12/21/2007 - 4:55pm.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
I've honestly said everything you need to hear from me
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 12/21/2007 - 5:07pm....backward and upside
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 12/21/2007 - 3:37pm....backward and upside down? Yes.
We've been having a conversation about YOU
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 12/22/2007 - 11:35am.EG, you're not helping this conversation, maybe you should stay out of it.
Excuse me? Rob, you're a
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sun, 12/23/2007 - 11:35am.Excuse me? Rob, you're a bit full of yourself here. I answered a question. Get a grip, man. I will post when I feel it's appropriate and as long as I'm truthful and using acceptable language, you're going to see it. Feel free to ignore my posts.
Of course you will post what ever you want
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 12/23/2007 - 12:08pm.and...
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 12/23/2007 - 12:11pm.Are you two the Batman and
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sun, 12/23/2007 - 12:19pm.Batman and Robin? No way. More like...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 12/23/2007 - 12:40pm.Jim,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 12/23/2007 - 2:54pm.Okay, Okay. How about this then...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 12/23/2007 - 3:42pm.Or, to be honest...
I tend to think of them as more like
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 12/23/2007 - 12:47pm.a couple of the more consistently cordial and influential posters, but if you don't like their politics and choose to think of them as Batman and Robin, go for it. Now with three of us, if Gug is a pretty blond woman, and Rob is a cool black guy, then I round out the Mod Squad!
Responsibility
Submitted by Sarah on Thu, 12/20/2007 - 6:33pm.Worthwhile discussion and I appreciate you initiating this Merwyn.
Some of my own ideas: I believe that feelings are okay, they just are, no emotion is inherently bad. I try to focus on what I do with the feeling, on my behavior, what works and what does not.
So I don't tell myself that my anger is bad or that I am bad for experiencing anger. I try to take anger signs as a sign to pay attention. My own irritability usually means I need to take a break from whatever it is.
I tend to feel more intense anger when I witness abuse and bullying. I had some trouble with this while doing lots of neo-nazi research. Had to learn to walk away from what I was doing and focus on something else.
Because I've had lots of experience being the target of unhealthy anger, because I've tended to live too much in the hypervigilant world of flight or fight, I work on gently balancing myself out. Which means walking away from conflict can be just the thing I need to do.
I think it is a great idea for everyone eventually to figure out their own anger profile and to choose what changes they want to make. A good first step is to stop blaming others for supposely making us angry.
Good post, thanks
Submitted by Krull on Fri, 12/21/2007 - 9:55am."We Israelis sacrifice ourselves for our continued existence, our enemies sacrifice themselves for our destruction."--Unknown--
I got angry with my boss
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 12/21/2007 - 7:44pm.According to me, I had great reason. Truthfully, I wasn't angry with him, I was angry with a situation at work and he became the recipient of my frustrations.
Today, I apologized for my behavior. My frustration is still there. The situation hasn't changed and possibly, the situation won't change.
That was no excuse for my behavior. I could have, and should have, handled it better.
I gave myself permission to not be perfect and I fell much better.
This is my thread
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Sun, 12/23/2007 - 3:04pm.I'd take being compared to Dr. Evil as a compliment. Who's his nemesis? And how does he treat women? What a role model!
And Dr. Evil knows a thing or two about dealing with kids.
Please give me a second grace. Please give me a second face. I've fallen far down, the first time around, now I just sit on the ground in your way.
Nick Drake