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Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 12/11/2007 - 9:31pm.
Looks like a great place to build, huh? Your children can play at the superfund site next door after they build the Children's Museum on it. The mayor when it's built (not Mah, he'll have abandoned his post to run for state senate by then) will sit about where that island is. Looks like this site is a regular quack magnet.
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Quite awhile ago
Submitted by stevenl on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 5:28am.I can imagine a beautiful city hall there...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Tue, 12/11/2007 - 11:58pm.Dirt dwellers are DOOMED!!
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 12:04am.HAHAHAHA!!! Doomed I say, doomed! Those of us on the water shall rise up and destroy you all! Soon we will not have our views of the shore ruined by housing developments, bridges and other useless impediments! HAHAHA!!! Fear the ocean I say, FEAR THE OCEAN!
Sorry, I was feeling goofy.
Lousy place for a city hall. Personally I think they should meet in tents. Without heaters. In the winter. See what kind of damage they could do then. *insert evil laugh again*
REALLY NOW
Submitted by Just another voice on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 1:22am.Bend the Facts?
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 1:31am.Crazy storms are becoming more common.
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 11:23am.Those crazy radical trouble makers at the World Bank have noted it here.
The bottom line on all development is that development should be cautious and take into account "crazy storms."
I remember looking at all the high water in the 1996 Chehalis flood and then watching as all the building - walmart, home depot, walgreens, etc - put infrastructure in the very area that could easily be predicted for flooding and shaking my head. And it's not just as dumb as putting infrastructure in harm's way, it also entails destruction of ecologically significant wetlands that mitigate flooding in other areas.
So, when you look at the puddles and duckies, it's just good sense to take rising sea level into account, maybe a resulting rising water table, and the increasing incidence of crazy storms.
I think good civic planning should take these things into account.
Standing Water
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 1:07pm.Yeah....raise the surface where the water collects
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 2:08am.and then everyone around that area, at a lower elevation will flood.
The good old American system of screw your partner
Is that what I said? No.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 12:06pm.Doug's Quote
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 2:53pm.From Council OKs purchase of former Safeway site
Exactly the type of compromise and quick decision-making I want in a council member.
I like Doug and all...
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 2:11am.but the last time I knew, "compromise and quick decision making" was called "flip-flopping", at least in the 2004 General Election.
Call it what you'd like.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 12:17pm.Call it what you'd like. What's your point? I'm asking because I'm not sure what you are saying. Doug may have flipped (to the Safeway site) but he hasn't flopped (back to the port site).
Had Doug stood firm on the port site he'd be getting a LOTT of crap, too.
Nobody capitulates like Doug Mah.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 4:54pm.I want to repeat something that nobody seems to get. The ocean isn't our only problem, so is groundwater. Sea wall or no sea wall, ground water level is going to rise also, and that will affect areas like the port peninsula also. Can we engineer a solution to water coming up from the ground?
You do harm to the future...
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 6:06pm.You do harm to the future... is based on opinion, not fact. You're free to project the future but the pay isn't all that great. What if we could actually make it better by spending the time and effort thinking through a long-term solution? I'm a realist with a hint of optimism, oh well.
Can we engineer a solution? We had better figure it out one way or another. I don't think the answer is to abandon land because of its potential in the future. Not unless we are 100% certain that devastation in inevitable. I'm not blind here. I understand what's at stake.
You make it sound like capitulating is a bad thing here. He made clear his position but in the interest of progress he changed his mind. It's not like we're talking about a vote on the 2nd amendment. It's CITY HALL! Me thinks your personal dislike for Doug Mah is clouding your ability to recognize the positive in it all. I commend Doug for not playing politics and moving forward.
It's like not insuring your house...
Submitted by Phil Owen on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 10:14pm.No one has suggested abandonment. But a smart person wouldn't build there until a concrete plan for sea rise was in the works. That would just be stupid. Like strapping several million dollars to a weather balloon and hoping the wind doesn't blow too hard.
The Canaanite's Call
EDIT: Maybe I was wrong. Rob suggests abandonment below. The rest of what I said still holds water, though. ;)
"concrete plan"
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 10:30pm.The sky is falling... the sky is falling...
Submitted by Tschida on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:12am.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
wow,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 12:13pm.Maybe it is. Seems there is proof.
Submitted by Tschida on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 3:06pm.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Are you here to tell Rob what he should or shouldn't
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 7:18pm.The CONSERVATIVE approach
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 2:16am.to the issue of "man made" or not is to assume that it IS man-made and seek to control such. If you find out you're wrong, you've lost little. If you find out you're right, you've won gigantically.
I think I once heard a Christian say something like "If God doesn't exist I have little to lose by believing in Him. If he DOES exist, I have MUCH to lose by NOT BELIEVING in Him."
I'd say the conservative approach to "man made global warming" would be a similar application.
Honesty
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 8:39pm.The problem I see is this: It's not going to be land soon. It wasn't land when we found it, we turned it into land. The sea is taking it back. I'm not willing to entertain the idea that we have to engineer a solution because we just have to, or because we have to beat nature. Let nature take it's course.
There is a potentially devastating lose/lose/lose scenario in building a sea wall or other engineering project. For one, it will cost lots of money to build, for two, it could fail and kill lots of people, and three, it will cost us a lot to rebuild from that point.
I think planning for a future without the port property is a wise idea. Just today a research group announced that the arctic is likely to have an iceless summer in as little as five years. That water has to go somewhere. I'm just asking people to be realistic. We couldn't engineer our way out of a paper bag in five years.
"Abandonment"? Is that what I was suggesting?
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 10:30pm.Throw some ideas on the table please, because saying that I'm trying to irresponsibly "abandon" the port property, without providing an alternative solution isn't getting us anywhere here.
Buy a boat
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 11:05pm.and of course....
Seriously, they need to plan for rising water. I like the Safeway site, or better still tear down the old and build a new one there on high ground.