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Submitted by Chia on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 9:25am.
If you want to understand the passion for compassion in the movement for animal justice, the depth of the effect of speciesism in our culture, and the connection between speciesism, sexism, and racism, see Earthlings which will be showing tonight at Capitol Theater. Don't miss it!
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Very disturbing
Submitted by jlw on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 6:58am.Thank you so much for going!
Submitted by Chia on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 9:50am.---------
Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
Yes, very disturbing movie
Submitted by Mike on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 7:56am.We made it for about 30 minutes, then we had to get up and walk away. I wonder if the film ever backed off from the horror that was being shown for the last few minutes we were watching, but we couldn't stand to wait and see if it ever gave any relief.
I was hoping for something more persuasive and the film started that way. The mistreatment, which really amounted to unintentional torture was not something I could sit and watch.
The trailer I saw had some
Submitted by jlw on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 12:07pm.And Thank You for attending, too!
Submitted by Chia on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 6:48am.I think the majority of people just don't know the grievous consequences of our choices and actions and to be shown in very direct and clear terms exactly what those consequences are is one of the most persuasive motivators to change for me.
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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
Hmmm...
Submitted by jlw on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 8:04am.Thank you for the feedback.
Submitted by Chia on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 10:43pm.---------
Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
No, I think they are effective
Submitted by jlw on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 6:54pm.But I think the film is definitely inspiring, and we have changed our behavior because of it.
It was very overwhelming, indeed.
Submitted by Chia on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 7:44pm.---------
Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
Transcript
Submitted by jlw on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 12:55pm.That's great...Thanks!
Submitted by Chia on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 2:34pm.---------
Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
I didn’t see the movie, but the screenplay
Submitted by JT on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 12:08pm.pretty much spells it out in enough detail for me, even though there were some inaccuracies.
I don’t like animals to suffer. If we are to harvest them for food or clothing, we need to kill them quickly and painlessly. If we use them for medical experiments they need to be medicated so they don’t feel pain or suffer. There is a need for change in how we deal with animals in the corporate world.
As for hunting, in most cases the animal is killed rather quickly. Yes, sometimes things go amiss and it is a slower death. But most of the time, their death is quicker and more painless than if they are killed as natural prey. Most of us have seen prey vs predator movies, and it isn’t pretty, and usually it’s far from quick. So if I shoot an elk or a cougar kills an elk, the elk is dead. The animal rights movement isn’t going to stop death and suffering of animals. Tthat will continue if we all became vegans tomorrow. Also, wildlife management provides for less suffering from starvation, over-predation, and also issues arising from loss of habitat. A deer being shot by a hunter is a lot more humane and easier to see than a deer starving to death.
I wonder how many people are moved by the movie to stop eating meat, and wearing leather, etc. yet are in support of a “woman’s right to choose”? Or worse yet, how many opposed the partial birth abortion ban, like Obama? Killing a fully viable human being by cutting through the base of the neck and skull and sucking it’s brains out is pretty disturbing too. We have this movement in this country to elevate the animal's right to live to a human level, all the time we are killing our own young. Seems to be a bit of societal disconnect somewhere to me.
"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
I don't think the movement aims to end all animal suffering
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 1:05pm.Suffering is a nutural part of life. The aim is to reduce the suffering that is caused by humans. The fact that there are other moral issues to deal with, like abortion, is not relevant.
Edit: what I mean is, it makes as much sense to ask "Well, now that they've seen this film, how do they feel about the occupaiton of Iraq, or euthanasia, or etc...?" You do not need to answer those questions for the film to have merit regarding animal cruelty and exploitation.
A bit histrionic, are we?
Submitted by jlw on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 3:06pm.And yet you oppose the pill as well, if I recall, because there is a chance that very very occasionally a fertilized egg fails to implant. I don't believe that a fertilized human egg experiences a huge amount of suffering when it is expelled from another human body without implanting.
Believe it or not, people can support a woman's right to choose without endorsing the brutal death of a "fully viable" human being, or any sort of brain-sucking procedures.
Update: I just realized, about 15 minutes after posting this, that I got sucked into the high-jacking of this thread, by someone who hasn't even seen the movie. I am so sorry I took the bait. I guess it's not appropriate to delete my comment, according to the social contract? Too bad. But in any case, sorry, Chia and everyone else, for participating in this off-topic digression. No more!
No Worries!
Submitted by Chia on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 3:07pm.---------
Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
Thank You..
Submitted by Chia on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 12:29pm.---------
Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
I get your point,
Submitted by JT on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 2:23pm.and your analogy is more off the mark than my question. But there is relevance from the stand point that a peaceful and civilized society would likely not kill animals or execute its prisoners, and certainly wouldn't kill their young.
I don't want to change this thread into an abortion discussion, Lord knows it will make the 100 club if it does. I just think, for some, their priorities are a bit skewed.
"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
Agreed...let's not aim for the 100 club by such simple means
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 2:42pm.Priorities are skewed for many
Submitted by jlw on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 8:39am.Here is an equally graphic
Submitted by Chia on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 8:32am.So much for the prehensile-thumb envy theory!
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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"