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Submitted by White Rabbit on Sat, 06/02/2007 - 3:45am.
... And finds the oft reported story inaccurate.

FAIR [Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting]

Coup Co-Conspirators as Free-Speech Martyrs
Distorting the Venezuelan media story

Government actions weighing on journalism and broadcast licensing deserve strong scrutiny. However, on the central question of whether a government is bound to renew the license of a broadcaster when that broadcaster had been involved in a coup against the democratically elected government, the answer should be clear, as McElwee concludes:

The RCTV case is not about censorship of political opinion. It is about the government, through a flawed process, declining to renew a broadcast license to a company that would not get a license in other democracies, including the United States. In fact, it is frankly amazing that this company has been allowed to broadcast for 5 years after the coup, and that the Chávez government waited until its license expired to end its use of the public airwaves.
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Good point

Good reminder too, that just because a story is repeated all over doesn't necessarily mean that it is completely true.
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Should it matter?

Are you telling me that the same group who, sometimes runs, and frequently listens, to FRO would agree with this behavior at all? Responsible for a coup? Are the local anarchists suddenly feeling sheepish around here? Refuse to broadcast certain events? That's mainstream media all over this country. I'm thinking FAIR is in bed with Chavez. Something smells funny here.
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FRO

I've never listened to FRO. Thanks for the straw man, even though it smells.

Really, if all you are going to respond with is personal attacks please spend the extra time to get them right. I know we shouldn't objectively search for facts in this country but rather believe what we are told; lest we be accused of listening to radio stations we don't listen to or associate with people we generally don't even like.
As FAIR's magazine Extra! argued last November, "Were a similar event to happen in the U.S., and TV journalists and executives were caught conspiring with coup plotters, it’s doubtful they would stay out of jail, let alone be allowed to continue to run television stations, as they have in Venezuela."
Were I to argue your way I'd say:
"Are you telling me "law and order" types don't support law and order? How bout the troops? Are you supporting them or just the violent overthrow of democratically elected governments? Coups for everyone then!"
Thus ends example.
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errr

Where did I say, "white rabbit" did anything, Mr. Rabbit? I'm thinking more of Olyblog as a whole. There are numerous posts/threads dealing with FRO and the "criminal" acts of the FCC trying to silence them, ala free speech. I don't always agree with them but I know they are out there.

Were a similar event to happen in the U.S...... So suddenly we are the yard stick that everyone is measured upon? Did you miss the posts about global warming our our country's terrible emission policies? How about the detainee's in Gitmo? Heck of a civil rights yard stick there. The war in Iraq? Take one look at our healthcare system. Just because the U.S. would throw a fit, doesn't mean it's "the right thing to do". If the newsmedia is so bad that it incites a coup, then there is probably something pretty wrong going on with the government.

Did any of you bother to look at the pictures of the demonstrators who were opposed to the governments decision? By the people for the people? Chavez is/was wrong. AS wrong as G. Bush is/was just in different areas obviously. Is it any wonder why these two hate each other? They are so similar that they can't stand the competition.

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Norm.

I think you should find out a little bit more before you go off on this topic. Chavez is nothing like GB, and the things that are happening with this channel bear no resemblance to FRO. Watch the movie, THEN tell us what you think, just like you did with Gore's movie (which I found to be a very thoughtful review, BTW).


When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
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Rick.

Saw the movie, quite awhile ago and I'm assuming I saw it because a link to it was posted from this site. JUST in case though, I watched the first 10 minutes again before I realized I had certainly seen it. So I went online and read a few articles pertaining to it, and a few reviews.

I STILL think Chavez was wrong. Obviously, given the demonstrations that occured after this decision, some folks there did not want this station shut down. You complain that they incited a coup, that they broadcasted false information. So setup an FCC to make sure they are toeing the line. Start fining them, start proving their stories wrong. Eventually they will either tell the truth, or nobody will watch them any longer. Chavez made this move and simply looks like a dictator (foreshadowing anyone?).

"the radio frequency that RCTV used for over half a century is being returned to its original owners—the Venezuelan people—under the management of its democratically elected leadership. Still, while the decision about how to use the airwaves might be the prerogative of the government (as many critics concede), critics of the move have a point when they complain that the freedom to use the airwaves cannot be solely a matter of majority rule. After all, shouldn't minorities (in this case a mostly relatively wealthy minority) also have access to the megaphone, so it may use it to convince the majority of its point-of-view? At least, progressives who defend the rights of traditionally disenfranchised minorities would argue that minorities should always have access to the media.[1] Even though Marcel Granier and his friends cannot be considered to be a disenfranchised minority, surely this minority deserves to be heard in the media, at least a little bit, in the name of pluralism."

THAT is what I'm talking about! Some of you on this blog are SO into the minority getting their voice heard but you are NOT into that idea when you no longer sympathise with the minority. Does the term "Hypocrite" come to mind for anyone else?

And as far as coups:

As an army paratrooper in 1992, Chávez himself participated in a bloody attempted coup, as he still proudly acknowledges. In 2003, he arrested the leader of Venezuela's largest chamber of commerce (take that, bourgeois capitalists!) for - what else? - allegedly fomenting rebellion against him.

Yet it has to be said that “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised” is only a partial picture of what happened. Clearly Bartley and O’Briain were fans of Chavez from the start, and saw his denunciations of “neo-liberalism”--the revival of pure, Smithian capitalism he sees as the essence of conventional “globalism”--as a heroic defense of the poor against economic exploitation. Their admiration might have been why they gloss over the more questionable aspects of his career (his failed 1992 coup gets only the briefest mention) and carefully arrange their footage of his opponents (mostly the wealthy elites) to make them appear almost unutterably smug and contemptuous of those they consider their inferiors. The sense of triumph at Chavez’s eventual victory over his foes is palpable, and of amazed adulation at his post-coup generosity even more so. It’s also true that the picture’s suggestion of American involvement in the coup--while perhaps, even probably, correct--isn’t examined with sufficient rigor. On the basis of the meager evidence offered here, the verdict on that score would have to be “Not proven.”

Yep, Chavez has participated in his own coups.

Here's a picture for you. If you changed the lettering in the background it could very well be evergreen behind these college students. Now that Chavez has chosen his path it seems that it will all go to the internet, youtube will pick most of it up. What will Chavez do next, refuse to renew the contract for ISP's that allow access to youtube?

Chavez = Dictator in training.

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Not convincing me.

When you ignore the difference between a coup against a dictator (that Chavez participated in, which I would consider a moral act) and a coup against a very popular, democratically elected leader (which this channel participated in, an immoral act), you have lost the argument before you begin.

If the channel violated its civic responsibility by fabricating images of gov't troops shooting into crowds, they LOST THE RIGHT TO USE A CIVIC RESOURCE. No one did that to them. They did it themselves.


When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
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I was never trying to

I was never trying to convince you Rick.

The minority in that country has been dealt a huge blow, that is all there is to it. I truly believe that this will back-fire for Chavez. Socialism will die in that country long before I grow old. If you are still kicking when it happens, Rick, I'll buy you a beer to celebrate.

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Perfect Norm

I'm convinced, but you didn't have to convince me. 

 "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure."  Ellen Ripley - Aliens 1986

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Chavez being defended in any

Chavez being defended in any fashion makes me sick to my stomach.
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Did you watch the movie?

If not, please do. Then we'll be able to have a conversation.


When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
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No - with no plans to do

No - with no plans to do so.  We don't have to converse about it, I'm not all that concerned.
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FAIR

I suggest to my conservative friends to read some articles by FAIR other than the one that is linked here.  I read only 3 articles in addition to the Chavez article, and FAIR clearly is a far left rag.  

As for Chavez, it would be very good for the USA if he came up missing much like Jimmy Hoffa. 

 

"I did what I was told to as well as I could." Simo Häyhä

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USA?

"As for Chavez, it would be very good for the USA if he came up missing much like Jimmy Hoffa."

Whom do you mean by USA?  The business interests that would love to expoit resources that Chavez nationalized?  Or the low-income working families, senior citizens, and disabled people in our nation whose energy bills are subsidized by Chavez' Venezuela?

The Canaanite's Call

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