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Submitted by eregular on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 11:57am.

This is our third year doing the Torchlight Parade, we tried to get in four years ago, but we could not, because there were people from Communist China who thought Falun Dafa was bad because of the evil propaganda and slander the Communist Party had been cooking up.

We were able to show them that Falun Dafa truly is good! The beauty of the practice is shown in this video.

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For your edification...

Overview

Leader: Chinese martial arts master Li Hongzhi, who founded Falun Gong in 1992.

Formal name: Falun Dafa (Great Law of the Dharma Wheel).
Informal name: Falun Gong (Dharma Wheel Practice).

The Dharma Wheel ''is described by Mr. Li as a miniature of the cosmos that he says he installs telekinetically in the abdomens of all his followers, where it rotates in alternating directions, throwing off bad karma and gathering qi. Many Falun Gong adherents say they can feel the wheel turning in their bellies'' [source]

Billed as an exercise practice, Falun Gong is in essence a quasi-religious movement that engages in occult practices. The movement denies being a religion, but does claim that it is subjected to religious intolerance and religious persecution.

Falun Gong's founder, who promotes racism, has told Western reporters that humanity will soon be wiped out, that space aliens are on Earth trying to replace human beings with clones and that he is invested with supernatural powers allowing him to move through dimensions.

 

From this link... http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f02.html

 

C. 

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Apologeticsindex.org

In their own words, ...an online Christian ministry with a two-fold purpose. Gosh, can't imainge why they would put a negative slant on this. Maybe it's deserved, I don't know.  But could you at least pretend to find a more neurtal source.
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Another view

Falun Dafa

The Rick Ross site doesn't necessarily qualify as neutral either but I trust them more because of personal experience.  

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Apologeticsindex.org

You are correct, I could use a more neurtal source, if I were pretending to be neutral.

 

C.  

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I practiced that for about a year...

Li Hongzhi also writes that the moon is hollow due to the mining operations of an ancient human civilization and that human beings lived alongside dinosaurs. Solar systems in our dimension are atoms in the next largest dimension, and atoms in our dimension are solar systems in the next smallest dimension. Thus, moving between dimensions is simply a matter of growing and shrinking. I've never heard anything racist attributed to him (though he does claim that the four human races he identifies come from different places, while , but he is definitely anti-gay and anti-Communist. One high ranking Communist is "revealed" to have the spirit of a toad, not a man. These things are in the "advanced" texts, of course.

I don't practice anymore, but I still think the underlying philosophy is good. The three core principles are zhen (truthfulness), shan (compassion), and ren (endurance, forbearance). They're good for those moments of doubt. One is expected to give up all attachments to anything systematically and with determination. The exercises are also very powerful, but whether this is due to the fashen or the chemistry of the human body, I can't tell you. Basically, it seems to me like a reaction to the conflict between traditional Chinese culture and the current government, reviving elements of the former while rejecting the latter.
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Actually Nasa was the first one to claim the moon was hollow

Actually Nasa was the first one to claim the moon was hollow, they left seismometers on the mooon and when the lander was jettisoned back towards the moon after they had launched from its surface, the lander slammed into the mooons, this impact was picked up by seisomemters and due to the nature of the waves recieved (from the multiple seisometers) the nasa team said "the moon rang like a struck bell".

Google image search "Jiang Zemin" the former president of China who banned Falun Gong due to his own personal jealousy. Look at his picture...he's scary.

China had a Qigong Institute that studied Qigong practitioners, the energies emmited from their bodies (being sometimes so much they were not able to determine how much energy their bodies had) LINK. I don't see how the "chemistry" of the human body could cause people to be able to read with their ears, or remove a needle from a fused shut glass tube. The U.S. and Russia did much study on those with "powers" most people do not possess.

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Hello

I fail to see how apologeticsindex.org has anything to do with a peaceful meditation practice's float winning an award in a very prestiges West Coast parade...

At the end of the parade some people in the crowd were holding pro-religious banners with a slogan like "Got Christ?!, its HELL without him!" One "religion" cannot judge other religions against itself...fairly, religions are designed to be biased, thereby protecting themselves from foreign ideas, I think its perfectly reasonable for religions to want to protect themselves from contamination, but when they start dishing out codemnations and judgements of other religions, they have lost their focus they should exist to help people understand and practice morality, not condemn others.

Li Hongzhi is not the first human being claiming to be able to "move through dimensions" due to his own developed supernatural powers, this is a very common theme throughout ancient chinese history. People who claimed to have cultivated the Tao (usually in the mountains) have been reported to have all forms of abilities ranging from teleportation, immortality, the ability become invisible, and the ability to change one form of matter into another (etc...). If one wishes to dismiss all of these as legends, then it presents many problems with debating history/folklore.

Before the Falun Gong was banned the Communist Party praised Falun Gong because they were saving billions of dollars a year on healthcare...because an estimated 100 million people *(this was an estimate by the CCP, Falun Gong does not require membship/money, so the true number was unknown.) were practicing Falun Gong at parks all around China every morning of every day. Falun Gong is based around two hours of meditation/slow graceful movements, my bias is showing, BUT OF COURSE things like this well show an improvement in peoples health. I base this opinion on being a massage therapist for almost 3 years and seeing the difference of techniques designed to relax a person can have on health, both physical and pyschologicaly.

What if humanity is facing some giant problem? It is not emphasized in the practice, and there is much more "secular" and "truly religious" groups producing programming on the possibilities of a global plague, interstellar collision, worldwide earthquakes/tsunami's, solar flares/coronal mass ejections, one world government, new world order (etc....etc...etc...) causing huge damage to human life on planet earth. Lao Tzu said "A man hearing the Tao in the morning can die in the evening. Those believing the universe is based of "Truth-Compassion-Tolerance" need not fear death, as life is truly temporary.

Many religions do not endorse homosexuality, does that mean they should advocate the destruction of homosexuals? Of course not! Falun Gong requires all those who truly practice to remain abstinent until married. For thousands of years governments and countries have not recognized/allowed homosexual marriage. The bulk of the text's were written in China to Chinese people during the year 1994, gay marriage was not recognized/allowed by the Chinese Communist Party.

Scientist's have theorized that if an event such as "the big bang" happened, how could it have only created one time-space? The reality of the cosmos is still a mystery to modern science, many ancient Chinese physics have been validated by modern science. The people's of the Amazon have for centuries drawn images bearing undeniable similarities to what molecular biologists now call DNA.

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his own developed supernatural powers?

I don't know that I would call this group of people a cult, as such, considering the negative connotations. They want to be peaceful, meditate, and bla bla bla, great. Go for the gusto.

Ideas like this, "his own developed supernatural powers" and the rest of the quasi-religious hocus pocus only serves to widen the gap between the person believing that stuff and God.  

As for your remarks on judgment, well, I don't agree. I don't think people should run around telling everyone do what I say or go to hell, that is not the point nor is it Christian behavior. No one can force someone else to repent and accept Christ. It is entirely up to each person. If the people ask what happens if they don't they can be referred to the Bible, and what it says will happen to those who don't accept God's gift of forgiveness and redemption by faith. Neither you nor I can get to heaven by acts alone.

Falun Dafa, Falun Gong, or what ever you want to call a particular incantation, may sound all warm and fuzzy, but in the end it only serves to move you further away from God, and his love. 


C. 

 

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Not if you don't believe

Not if you don't believe that god is real. Then it doesn't do that at all, does it?
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Let me guess...

You are an atheist, or something similar?  There is no God or afterlife?


C. 

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Interesting. You believe in

Interesting. You believe in God, but you seem to have a hard time believing that someone cannot believe.
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Just to bring some clarity to myself

Li Hongzhi = China's version of Tom Cruise or John Travolta?
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Clarity

Tom Cruise and John Travolta: actors who are scientology members.

Li Hongzhi: One of many Qigong Masters in China, His Qigong caught on because he instructed His Disciples in how to improve their moral character, and this caused the practice to bring health and healing to its adherents http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/136/ . The China Institute of Qigong studied the Qigong Masters at the time Falun Gong was made public. They measured Li Hongzhi and found him to possess great energies in his bodies similiar to that found on other Qigong Masters bodies.

Unlike scientology all the works of Li Hongzhi are widely available and free of charge (www.falundafa.org). There is no membership or "donation". Many people may want to critize some parts of it without understanding it, or just reading it for the purpose of criticism. Thanks. I'm not going to do research on your belief system in order to find what I judge as flaws and critize you about them.

Christians looking at other belief systems; I thank you for your input, but please don't judge something you know nothing about by your current belief in Christ. I understand you want me to love God. Thanks. I don't believe all the souls of China and India who tried to be good people in the names of their religions (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism).

I don't think a blog is a place for a dogmatic belief debate.

Back to the original purpose of this blog...Look at the top video!! Look at how nice that float looked! Our marching band was AWESOME We won an award! *YaY*

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Clarity... yes.

Eregular said " I don't believe all the souls of China and India who tried to be good people in the names of their religions (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism).  Well we would disgree on this point.

Eregular also said, "I don't think a blog is a place for a dogmatic belief debate." So a blog is ok so long as you don't talk about anything difficult or something that people are passionate about, if you disagree with them. That is kind of sad really.


C.  

 

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It was a joke. I was trying

It was a joke. I was trying to get the level of seriousness to go down. Both systems (scientology and Falun) seem to believe we have other off-worldly things to be inhabiting our bodies.

I am not a Christian in the mainstream sense. I don't think you are going to hell, I don't think all the souls in asia are going to hell either, and I'm NOT trying to convert you spiritual belief system. You are confusing me with another blogger. As far as religious beliefs being criticized, they are ALL criticized. Personally I'm rather fond of Taoism but I seem to be in the minority on that one.

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Taoism?

I never would have guessed. I'm fond of taoism also.

They must find it difficult...
Those who have taken authority as truth,
rather than truth as the authority."
- Gerald Massey

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Taoism's plenty cool. Would

Taoism's plenty cool. Would you classify it as a philosophy or a religion?
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Why not both?My favorite

Why not both?

My favorite book in high school was "The Tao of Pooh"

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Written by a Greener even.

Written by a Greener even. How'd you get so Conservative? ;-)
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Lunyu

LUNYU1

"The Buddha Fa"2 is most profound; among all the theories in the world, it is the most intricate and extraordinary science. In order to explore this domain, humankind must fundamentally change its conventional thinking. Otherwise, the truth of the universe will forever remain a mystery to humankind, and everyday people will forever crawl within the boundary delimited by their own ignorance.

Then, what exactly is "the Buddha Fa"? Is it a religion? Is it a philosophy? That is only the understanding of the "modernized Buddhist scholars," who merely study theories. They regard it as a philosophical category for critical studies and so-called research. Actually, "the Buddha Fa" is not only the tiny portion documented in the scriptures, for that is simply "the Buddha Fa" at an elementary level. "The Buddha Fa" is an insight into all mysteries. It encompasses everything and leaves out nothing—from particles and molecules to the universe, from the even smaller to the even greater. It is an exposition of the characteristic of the universe, "Zhen-Shan-Ren,"3 expressed at different levels with different layers of meaning. It is also what the Tao School calls the "Tao,"4 or what the Buddha School calls the "Fa."5

As advanced as the present human science has become, it is still only part of the mysteries of the universe. Whenever we mention specific phenomena of "the Buddha Fa," someone will claim: "This is already the electronic age, and science is very advanced. Spaceships have already flown to other planets, yet you still bring up these outdated superstitions." To put it frankly, no matter how advanced a computer is, it is still no match for the human brain, which to this day remains an unfathomable enigma. However far a spaceship may fly, it cannot travel beyond this physical dimension in which our human race exists. What can be understood with modern human knowledge is extremely shallow and tiny; it is far from truly coming to terms with the truth of the universe. Some people even dare not face, touch upon, or admit the facts of phenomena that objectively exist, because they are too conservative and unwilling to change their conventional thinking. Only through "the Buddha Fa," can the mysteries of the universe, time-space, and the human body be completely unveiled. It is able to truly distinguish what is righteous from evil, good from bad, and eliminate all misconceptions while providing what is correct.

The guiding ideology for today’s human science is confined only to this physical world in its research and development, as a subject will not be studied until it is recognized—it follows such a path. As for phenomena that are intangible and invisible in our dimension, but objectively exist and are reflected into our physical dimension as concrete manifestations, people dare not approach them, dismissing them as unknown phenomena. Opinionated people groundlessly try to reason that they are natural phenomena, while those with ulterior motives, against their own conscience, simply label all of them as superstition. Those who are indifferent simply stay away from the issue with the excuse that science is not yet advanced enough. If human beings are able to take a fresh look at themselves as well as the universe and change their rigid mentalities, humankind will make a leap forward. "The Buddha Fa" enables humankind to understand the immeasurable and boundless world. Throughout the ages, only "the Buddha Fa" has been able to perfectly provide a clear exposition of humanity, every dimension of material existence, life, and the entire universe.


1 Lunyu (loon-yew)—statement; comment.
2 the Buddha Fa—the universal principles and law; the way of the universe.
3 Zhen-Shan-Ren (jhun-shahn-ren)—Zhen (truth, truthfulness); Shan (compassion, benevolence, kindness); Ren (forbearance, tolerance, endurance).
4 Tao—1. also known as "Dao," Taoist term for "the Way of nature and the universe"; 2. enlightened being who has achieved this Tao.
5 Fa (fah)—law and principles in the Buddha School.

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Of course we disagree, thats what being human is all about.

I wouldn't mind talking to you about belief systems, except I know your just going to tell me I'm going to go to hell if I don't accept Jesus into my heart. I'll pass on that.

I'm sure you think everyone who isn't a Christian is going to be burning in hell. I'm glad you are so confident in your religion. You won't get convert by telling them "believe; OR ELSE!" and if they do join because of you telling them that, then they probably aren't true believers and are just there for "fire insurnace"

I thought all this was about Compassion(aka:forgiveness)

I think some people refuse to admit that you can believe Jesus rose from the dead without worshiping him.

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So you are saying...

So you are saying that your not interested in finding and accepting forgiveness, love, faith, hope, and redemption because you don't like the consequences of choosing something else are unsavory? It is not a threat that you will suffer consequences of rejecting Christ and God, but there is a lot more to the God, Christ, the Bible, and Christians than just Hell. It seems you can't get past that though. Am I mistaken? Are you suggesting that I value Falun Dafa the same as I value Christianity, because of some politically correct notion of tolerance should be as judged by others? Does that seem like a good idea to you? I can't make you believe; only you can choose that. It is entirely up to you. God knows your heart, I don't. There is a lot more to the Bible than just judgements and judging. Getting closer to God is the point and Falun Dafa doesn't do that. C.  

 

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You've picked the wrong

You've picked the wrong forum to Witness. God comes to us in many ways, we accept or reject Him by choice. I seriously doubt anyone was ever led to Him by bug-eyed shouts and threats.

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I didn't join to witness,

I didn't join to witness, but I am not going to back away from it either. I joined for the political aspect of things. That is what I enjoy.

As for your remark "bug-eyed shouts and threats." I made it clear that I was not heading in that direction, and that the Bible has much more to offer. Did you bother to read the post or are you on about something else?

C.

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My apologies, the font was

My apologies, the font was larger and it was all compacted into one huge paragraph. I take responsibility for skimming.

However people who are already religions other than Christian, or Atheists, or anything of the sort aren't going to care what was said in a New Testament book. It'll take more than that to convert them.

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Ok then,

I am having trouble with the HTML editor, and using Word to proof my comments. Sorry for the one large paragraph.

If converting people with the truth is not enough, then what besides the New Testament does it take to be more effective at getting the message across in a meaningful way? I am curious about your opinion on this.

C.

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Living by example, being

Living by example, being honest when asked questions, goes a long way. When you tell a non-believer that such-n-such is so because it was written in Galatians, they just as easily could retort it's actually not because it is written in Charlotte's Web. There's no reason in their experience to be swayed or impressed with typewritten words.

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I agree...

I agree living by example is very important, but it one should not point to his own example of living, as to why a person should believe that God loves them, Christ died for them and rose again making our redemption possible. It takes faith. It is much easier to be "a good person" considering how subjective 'being a good person' is, and demonstrating faith in God. As for your comparison of Charlotte's Web and the New Testament, well I don't know anyone who would suggest that the book by E. B. White is the divinely inspired word of God. I see your point though and I think that illustrations and examples of faith in God are very important in getting your point across.

C.

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Falun Gong is not Political

Falun Gong is not political. The Communist Party tries to slander us and say we are being political when we protest the illegal and brutal persecution being forced upon those who refuse to give up Truth-Compassion-Tolerance. If asking for help or informing others about being murdered/tortured/slave labor/organ harvesting is "getting political", thats obviously not fair.
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Umm...

I don't recall saying that religious persecution is political or permissible. It is not, no matter the religion.

C.

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Unless you're a Calvanist

in that case, God choses you.
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Now that's funny!It's a fair

Now that's funny!

It's a fair call, but Society's to blame. ~ Right! We'll be charging them too!

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~

I know all the wonders Christianity has to offer its followers. Having spoken with many of them and being raised in Christian schools, I know how MOST Christians are when it comes to sharing their faith. They will tell you the good things brought by faith in Christ, but I don't want to hear your dogmatic beliefs that say I must believe or burn. Thats all I'm saying. Falun Dafa speaks of hell, but we believe hell is temporary for most, except for the truly vile and wicked people, hell is a place to pay off karma before reincarnating. I know Christians don't believe in reincarnation. Thats fine. In the New Testament: Jesus' disciples asked him twice if he was the reincarnation of Elijah. He says no the first time, but gives a less definite answer the second time they ask.
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