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Submitted by emmettoconnell on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 3:26pm.
I'm going to the town hall over at Capital HS tonight to see my congressman. Anyone want to talk about that? I'm also waking up at 5 a.m. on Saturday to watch the US national team put the crush on the English in the second quarterfinal of the Women's World Cup. So, what are your plans this weekend?
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I'm Staying Home Recouperating...
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 7:51pm.Yesterday morning, I endured 5 hours of oral surgery. 3 gum transplants, 1 titanium rod insertion and 65+ stitches later, I now know what I'd look like with Angelina Jolie's lips! LOL! Trust me, it isn't pretty!
I have pics of it, but one of them, alright, all of them aren't pretty! And I had just gotten out of the shower when hubby shot them too so my hair's all wet!
"Do not mistake for conspiracy and intrigue what can best be explained by stupidity and incompetence." - Unknown
Ouch
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 10:30pm.I'm not doing a thing. I
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 10:50pm.pretty bummed
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Sat, 09/22/2007 - 8:04am.Baird
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 11:29pm.It was a good meeting. But Rep. Brian Baird is not facing the same reality as 90% of those who attended the meeting. The occupation is very unpopular in Olympia.
There were moments when tempers flared. There were outbursts. All in all it was interesting. I left before it ended. I was disappointed to learn that Rep. Baird didn't talk to any normal every day Iraqis before he made the decision to support the Surge. He talked to 11 parliamentarians and two Sheiks among the Iraqis that he consulted. He also met with members of the American government and military in Iraq prior to making his decision to lend his explicit support to the Surge and to the Occupation.
He feels that the USA has a responsibility in Iraq - a responsibility to right many wrongs. I agree with him that the USA has a responsibility. But he supports the US military role in providing these many reparations.
I disagree with him, and disapprove of his stance, insofar as my perception of the ability of the US military to accomplish the reconstruction mission. In fact, the mission is to hunt insurgents. But it is the presence of the US military that is feeding the insurgency. So it is a cyclical game of cat and mouse. The way out is to stop playing the game.
Change the mission. 1. Make the mission priority to reconstruct the civilian infrastructure.
2. Hand over the keys to the Iraqi government for real. Trust the Iraqi people to manage their own governmental/political process.
3. Hold the Bush Administration accountable. I support holding prominent war planning decision makers in confinement until such a time and place that a fair trial can be made for the assessment of any wrongdoings that may have been committed in re: the invasion and occupation of Iraq...
Rep. Brian Baird share a lot apparently in terms of our views of Iraq. We both believe that the USA has a responsibility to foster progress and change. But we differ fundamentally on the analysis of progress. His understanding seems very narrow and limited. He sees a few specific instances of progress and thinks that justifies the heavy handed military presence. - I think the military presence, in its current incarnation, is part of the problem.
Another thing that struck me was the defensive tone the Representative took from the very beginning.
Also - The Representative didn't listen very well to many of the comments and questions... He often provided (what were to me) unsatisfactory responses and answers. It was like something was missing... Something important. It was like he had well-thought out and rehearsed political responses to many of the citizens' comments. A lot of his statements sounded canned, phony and stale.
I am glad that I went and would be interested in hearing others' perspectives on how the Town Hall Meeting went.
Finally, I encourage the Representative to truly think over the ideas that were shared at the Mtg. and to not fear changing his position accordingly. There is no shame in admitting a wrong like this. It would be the honorable thing to do.
Waging offensive military campaigns in the name of resource acquisition is inhumane, immoral, illegal - fundamentally anathema to the tradition and spirit of the USA.
The fundamental reason for the US presence in Iraq is unjust. It is time to radically shift the military and diplomatic mission - or else to begin immediately a full scale, safe, responsibly and complete (likely over the course of one year) military withdrawal.
Peace.
Geopolitics vs. Humanism
Submitted by darrow on Sat, 09/22/2007 - 3:07am.I can imagine that someone such as Rep. Baird who has a background in clinical psychology could only have been horrified by the general level of human suffering experienced on all sides of this conflict. Without a rebuilding effort, we (the U.S.) will have merely contributed to and exacerbated suffering.
Baird sees the evidence of the very reason that we didn't go the whole way to Bagdad in 1991--the mission was to get Saddam out of Kuwait, but going further would 1) contravene international law and custom by taking an offensive stance against a sovereign nation, 2) potentially decimate the infrastructure of that nation, causing a power vacuum--essentially the present day situation on the ground.
I seem to remember reading
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Sat, 09/22/2007 - 6:37am.Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee.
If you ain't got the do-re-mi
Submitted by darrow on Sat, 09/22/2007 - 12:58pm.But...
Submitted by Rick on Sat, 09/22/2007 - 7:54am....if the US troops (and even more contractors) in Iraq are the primary cause of the violence (provoked or otherwise), then it doesn't make a difference if we have a moral obligation to rebuild. Our presence there will keep the current conflict status quo, and nothing but more deaths will come of it. Only by getting out can anything different occur.
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
Rebuilding a sense of morality
Submitted by darrow on Sat, 09/22/2007 - 1:10pm.USA 3, England Nada
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Sat, 09/22/2007 - 8:40am.Bloody
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sat, 09/22/2007 - 12:06pm.I did, I actually wrote it
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Sat, 09/22/2007 - 12:26pm.