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Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 1:04pm.
My mother and grandparents lived in the Swabian village of Gunzburg, Germany during the war. Opa locked the doors of the guest worker dormitory at night before walking to Die Rose to drink his beer. Oma cooked for them, the Czechs and Poles who slaved at the factory owned by Karl Mengele, Josef’s father. Firma Karl Mengele & Sohne continues to supply the world with farm equipment today. Oma and opa were law-abiding, hard working, good Catholics who, like everyone else in that little town, knew not to ask questions or say the wrong thing to the wrong person. No one could ever accuse them of hating their country. So in little Gunzburg, “evil incarnate” was able to flourish. Update: Today the New York Times posted a slide show that touches on the banality of evil theme and includes an appearance by Josef M., favorite son of Gunzburg.
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Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 2:46pm.So...
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 3:25pm.By not protesting ICE we as American citizens would be permitting the possibility of evil to flourish here in Lynnwood, Tacoma and I think recently in Shelton? Is that what you are trying to imply? It is a good column but immigration and customs law enforcement is not a moral equivalent of a Nazi police state. ICE is not a secret police of the federal or state government.
Here is the problem; ICE is not implementing some kind of beginning to a 'final solution' to deal with illegal aliens in this country. ICE is not arresting people and deporting them if they are legally permitted to live and work in this country. (I understand that there may be some instances where this is not the case, and of course those people should be returned to their homes and families if they are legal citizens or legal visitors in some capacity) We are not sending them to concentration camps. We are not putting them in jail for being illegal in this country. Instead we put them in jail for other crimes they have committed. ICE is not a moral equivalent of the Gestapo, no matter how you look at it.
On a side note, I lived very near the city of Gunzberg. I lived for two years in Zweibrucken from 1988 to 1990. It was one of the best times of my life, I was able to travel great deal from Spain to Yugoslavia, and I learned a lot about cooking, skiing, Formula One, among other things. I want to go back some day. It is a good column but we still profoundly disagree.
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
I wasn't trying to defend the ICE-Gestapo analogy
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 3:41pm.Oh Noooooooo! Not F1?!
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 3:30pm.my husband would talk your ear off wanting to know all you know about Formula 1! He's a major addict! So's his dad! They DVR everything they can find about F1! They both race continentals & spec racers in the SCCA circuit and hubby told me he'd take me to Italy under one condition... He gets to go to a F1 race!
How frickin' romantic!
"Do not mistake for conspiracy and intrigue what can best be explained by stupidity and incompetence." - Unknown
How could you go ...
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 3:38pm.How can one go to Italy and not visit Modena, and Ferrari in particular? I would love to go to Monza, but I would be just as interested in heading to Marenello! Viva Enzo! Viva Schumacher!
C.
P.S. give your hubby my email any time!
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Yeah! Yeah!
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 4:34pm.He mentioned those places too but they just didn't sound as interesting to me as the restaurants of Rome or the ancient Roman ruins or the fashion district of Milan...
He was a huge Michael Schumacher fan before he retired and now is Hamilton Lewis's #1 fan! He's still pulling his hair out over that whole McLaren/Ferrari debacle!
He even built a race car simulator with a real F1 racecar seat, force fed steering wheel & pedals & he pulls it out in the middle of the theater and practices racing on his 12 foot TV screen! He likes to use the Live For Speed racing game! He says it's the most F1 realistic! But you can only race the F1's if you buy it for $50.00! You can download the demo & have a ball racing Golfs & RX7's! They also set up demolition derby car tracks in parking lots & it's great to take your aggressions out in! LOL! If you try the demo, look for him! His screen name is Alpha633!
"Do not mistake for conspiracy and intrigue what can best be explained by stupidity and incompetence." - Unknown
again, again, again,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 3:45pm.I was going to ask you some questions but why bother.
Yep, and Gugli was just
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 3:53pm.I wasn't 'on your back'.
Submitted by Tschida on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:26am.Why don't you ask your questions.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
OK
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 10:08am.What would a Brownell administration do to fix the problem?
Good points Rob
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 11:46am.I'm sorry Guglielmo what did you say?
Submitted by Tschida on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 11:59am.I hope you find the response to Rob's questions below satisfactory. I don't think you find any questions except "How many more examples do you need?" That is not to say that the questions you asked are not legitimate, and I gather you feel they are intrusive and convoluting. Why don't you go ahead and answer them for your readers?
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Rob,
Submitted by Tschida on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 11:54am.- HV Connect—On April 11, 2006, a federal indictment was unsealed in Ohio charging two temporary employment agencies and nine individuals with hiring and harboring illegal aliens; mail and wire fraud; and laundering approximately $5.3 million. The indictment alleged that HV Connect, Inc., and TN Job Service, Inc. provided hundreds of illegal alien employees to unwitting companies in Ohio by falsely representing that they were legal. The indictment also alleged that the owners of these agencies used the profits from this scheme build a new home and purchase jewelry for themselves.
There are plenty more examples of how businesses are punished when they violate the law when it comes to hiring illegal aliens. How many more examples would you like? One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.Thomas Sowell
I'm not satisfied, but nice try
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 1:18pm.You support an amnesty program. That's good I guess, I'm surprised.
Not to sound too much like my slightly to the right liberal/Dem/Green friends, but what about those children I asked about? By taking away the main bread winner of the family you force the family onto state welfare rolls, which are taxed enough as it is by the folks born here that didn't work hard enough for the American Dream.
I am short on time today,
Submitted by Tschida on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 2:39pm.Maybe, just maybe you could do a little critical thinking and look up Kmart yourself. I think almost for sure that WalMart settled out of court, but still paid some fines. Again I don't have time to do all the research for you.
What happens to children who are left with out a bread winner when the father is jailed for some other offense? What happens to the kids when a single mom is hooked on and dealing meth? There are community resources both public and private. If the child and or family are illegally here, they either need to be in the process of becoming citizens or they need to be deported to their home country.
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Oh
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 5:44pm.Your words not mine
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 4:10pm.By not protesting ICE we as American citizens would be permitting the possibility of evil to flourish here...
However, by constantly resisting, rejecting, and condemning those who are wary of authority you may be providing one of its necessary nutrients. There is little to be gained by discouraging dissent.
Yep!
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 5:05pm.Regarding Tschida's initial comment....
Submitted by Debmonstrative on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 11:27pm.What a bizare statement.
Submitted by Tschida on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:22am.Whether or not it is a good idea to protest the ICE
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:36am.is not the issue. The problem I see, and why I wrote about Gunzburg, is that people should not be discouraged from speaking out. Bad things can happen in that sort of atmosphere.
You seem very invested in getting people to justify why they are protesting this or that. I won't call that kind of thinking bizare [sic] because that's rude. But it is certainly a kind favor to those who wish to stifle dissent.
I thank you for sharing the
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:54am.If you click on the links
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:59am.Ok...
Submitted by Tschida on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:59am.I don't understand why you would protest the people at ICE who are doing their jobs. The aliens have broken the law and come here illegally. ICE is charged with removing them. Why would you protest that, unless... you are really trying to advance a different and less obvious agenda?
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Perhaps you should start a thread about that
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 10:01am.Tsch...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:10pm.