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Submitted by Tschida on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 3:33pm.
Century Theater Olympia 625 Black Lake Blvd. Olympia WA 98502 It opens April 18th. Watch the trailer!
C. Tifosi1F1.blgospot.com One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
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Submitted by jlw on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 3:50pm.It was there before...
Submitted by Tschida on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 3:53pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Wow
Submitted by jlw on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 4:14pm.Worked just fine for me,
Submitted by JT on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 4:37pm.thanks for posting, Chris.
This topic is way more important than the global warming topic, but we see the same thing happening there with scientists too. Not surprised some scientists have found this wall. I look forward to the movie.
"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
I highly recommend
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 5:07pm.I agree with Gug...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 8:53pm.wow
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 6:24pm.Why?
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 6:09pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
I think you know why
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 6:45pm.If film media had existed during our past we could watch awesome youtube videos about the well thought out logic of witch burnings. We could be educated about the social hygiene of the Spanish Inquisition.
This pattern of superstition and denial is not new, but is unendingly scary. It's this kind of stuff that makes it hard to trust christians. I know most of them are generally good, some of them are downright admirable. Phil Owen is a friend of mine I truly respect and he's a christian, but then stuff like this comes along and it makes me really uneasy. Christians who feel "persecuted" don't have a very good track record in terms of avoiding bloodshed and all.
I'm not saying you shouldn't like this movie or feel the way you feel. By all means go right ahead. The whole "sun revolves around the flat earth" crowd would love some company I'm sure. I want you to express yourself and se this movie and I encourage anyone interested to go.
It still makes me want to throw up though.
What is a person supposed to take from this statement?
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 12:11pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
There is a big difference between having an open mind
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 12:42pm.and ignoring the facts. For instance, intelligent design promoters point to the "irreducible complexity" of the eye as proof there is a designer. Yet they ignore the fact that there are many living creatures on earth with "less complex" light sensing organs that are sufficiently effective for their biological niche. Additionally, the continuum of complexity among living creatures indicates that "seeing" is not an all or nothing, "irreducibly complex" proposition. You could also say I should have an open mind that my headaches are caused by a demon living in my liver, but...
EDIT: But yes, I suppose one can hope for a more open mind about this (great?) movie. I'll give it a try when it comes out on DVD. I only hope and pray it is better than "What the Bleep..."
No I don't think I could say you have a demon in your liver...
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 12:50pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
"..virtually no evidence to support the "evolution" of an eye. "
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 1:54pm.Hate to burst the bubble....
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 1:55pm.Great article in the newest National Geographic on chimps and their cultures.
Amazingly human! I guess we can deny the obvious because it's not comfortable.
All that monkey business aside
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 2:11pm.What the bleep was awful. Beyond awful...
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 12:51pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
I kinda liked it....
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 12:55pm.Maybe I missed something in the translation
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 9:52am.but I don't understand how people can fight against the scientific knowledge that has been collected on global warming, origins of planets and such - and then just write the whole thing off as "God did it".
I'm all for people having the right to believe, but that doesn't mean I have to understand giving belief more credit than research.
It's not about science vs God
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 10:12am.So you have seen the movie then gug?
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 6:00pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
I was just addressing Larry's and JT's comments
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 9:31pm.Not yet. It doesn't open till the 18th.
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 7:47am.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Now that I've watched the entire thing
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 1:14pm.Ben Stein is being used for the same purpose as Al Gore is - a personality.
The message is rather martyr oriented. No surprise there either.
Re: Einstein...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 2:15pm.there are problems
Submitted by enpen on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 3:18pm.Mathematics and the sciences have been near as mystified since they've been around. They're now so specialized and genuine knowledge or understanding is so absent that for many the concepts are as meaningless as the belief in one god to the follower of another.
Ideally the sciences embody a system encouraging curiosity. Of course lame people get caught up in a label. The thing that amazes me is why people keep trotting out things like the Piltdown Man as a failing of evolutionary theory with the willingness of the scientific community to face up to the hoax and constant drive to disprove itself.
I would like a Christian OlyBlogger to disprove the validity of The Qur'an and if you can't then you admit that the book is true. Your own religious beliefs do not count as evidence, you must challenge it based upon other people being able to independently follow the same steps and arrive at the same conclusion.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
What do you want "disproved" about the Koran?
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 3:45pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
The Christian bible
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 3:53pm.Disproving and disagreeing are not the same thing
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 4:05pm.I will ask again since you seem to have troulbe.
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 6:12pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
I really didn't want anything disproved, but
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 8:52pm.The Qur'an
Submitted by enpen on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 12:30am.And apparently I should have been more specific about methodology. All methods of analysis must be applied to the analyst's own system of beliefs as a means of confirming the efficacy of the method. For example, if critical analysis involves literal rather than metaphorical interpretation then the same literal analysis must be applied to The Bible to see if it is true or false.
As well, the method of reasoning must be effective to the point that a person of Muslim faith using the same method would arrive at the same conclusion.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Trouble with Islam
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 3:41pm.I don't believe what you write about how the Qur'an advocates hatefulness of that which is not Islam.
Aldo Leopold: "We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect."
Whether you believe it or not,
Submitted by JT on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 3:56pm.it's true Mr. Whitlock.
"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
Is that your opinion or do you have proof...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 4:06pm.I'll need to see evidence of that
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 4:26pm.Have you read the Quran?
Submitted by JT on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 4:54pm.There are lots of online versions.
I like this one as it gives verses before and after the verse you are searching for, keeping the statement in context. So when I read someone's article and they quote a verse in the Quran that is advocating hate or murder, etc., I can use this to see if they are putting a spin on the verse.
I believe we all should educate ourselves on the enemy (radical Islam) and what they believe.
I don't want to hijack Tsch's thread here, so I will close by letting you all know that in the coming weeks I plan to have a post on my blog about Islam.
"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
You might try reading it
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 5:02pm.Just like the Bible, the Qur'an is complex and in places seems to contradict itself. Just like with the Bible there are zealots who will unfortunately focus on the more hateful and hurtful aspects of the Qur'an.
With both Books, and both religions, those who focus on the Hate give their whole religion a bad name despite the millions of followers who don't have a violent bone in their body.
I'm not anti-Islam, I certainly don't follow the rhetoric that "all Muslims are terrorists" - but that doesn't change the fact that there are passages in the Qur'an calling for violence on non-believers and it doesn't change the fact that there are terrorists willing to focus solely on those passages.
amen
Submitted by enpen on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 7:57pm.With both Books, and both religions, those who focus on the Hate give their whole religion a bad name despite the millions of followers who don't have a violent bone in their body.
Or
Submitted by Laurian on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 10:08pm.we could?
Submitted by enpen on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 11:48pm."Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything."
I Can! I Can!
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Sat, 04/12/2008 - 11:58am.Yes We Can! Yes We Can!
Submitted by Laurian on Sat, 04/12/2008 - 10:14pm.Mythology of any kind
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 4:49pm.nt
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 5:07pm.science
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 5:54pm.Religion and Hate
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 5:04pm.Amen to that!
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 7:53am.I wish folks like you actually went to the trouble to know what
Submitted by Tschida on Sat, 04/12/2008 - 9:43pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
ah snidery, thine name is...
Submitted by enpen on Sat, 04/12/2008 - 10:01pm.Supercilious Tschida. At least you're super something, I suppose.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Should we be pleased that Mr. Whitlock doesn't bother to know
Submitted by Tschida on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 1:04pm.Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
who said pleased?
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 2:01pm.JT gave him a link and Merwyn suggested reading it. What else is there to add to that?
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
For what it's worth
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 7:37pm.http://www.religioustolerance.org/tomek24.htm
This subject is sort of like guns. Neither side will get the other to understand or agree.
All I want to do is agree on the rules of evidence
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 8:51pm.At the least, we can all agree...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Sun, 04/13/2008 - 3:09am.Ooh, now it's getting some attention from the press...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 2:48pm.Found here.
"Expelled has also come under fire for its attempt to link a belief in evolution to Nazi genocide. When its producers offered a private screening to Scientific American, hoping for some sort of positive -- or at least newsworthy -- reaction, editor-in-chief John Rennie was withering in his criticism."
"We could simply ignore the movie," Rennie wrote. "Unfortunately, Expelled is a movie not quite harmless enough to be ignored. Shrugging off most of the film's attacks — all recycled from previous pro-ID works — would be easy, but its heavy-handed linkage of modern biology to the Holocaust demands a response for the sake of simple human decency."
(snip)
"Shermer pointed out in contrast that Darwinian theory has often been used as the unpinning for a belief in Stein's preferred doctrine of free market capitalism, a fact of which he found Stein to be "astonishingly ignorant." In fact, Shermer notes, Enron's CEO, Jeffrey Skilling, has said that his favorite book while at Harvard Business School, "was Richard Dawkins' The Selfish Gene ... a form of Darwinism that Skilling badly misinterpreted.""
Sexpelled!
Submitted by Rick on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 10:08am.> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Damn straight
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 11:01am.