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Submitted by stevenl on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 4:57am.
The CNN headline says it all: Huckabee: Washington State vote like the Soviet Union In this piece, Gov. Huckabee is quoted: "That is not what we do in American elections. Maybe that's how they used to conduct it in the old Soviet Union, but you don't just throw people's votes out and say, 'well, we're not going to bother counting them because we kind of think we know where this was going.'" This passes for local. So, is he sour grapes or is he justified?
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Haven't Republicans been
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 5:49am.Haven't Republicans been saying Washington State politics derive from Soviet thought for some time now?
Ever since
Submitted by stevenl on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 6:28am.What kills me...
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 9:42am....is that after all the accusations about King County four years ago, the GOP can't even run a primary with out completely screwing the whole thing up.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Poetic Justice
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 10:02am.No, He is Not Justified !
Submitted by Jeff Brigham on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 10:19am.Nobody said anything about stopping the counting of votes. The people did need to get some sleep on that Saturday night. The counting of delegates continued the next day. There was no "conspiracy". See http://www.wsrp.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=705
As I stated in a previous blog comment, all should realize that for both parties, the compilation and communication of caucus results are not being done not by the state elections machine but rather by a lot of average Joe and Jane Citizens.
The bottom line is that the State Party Chairman should have kept his mouth shut and not issued any "proclamation" on caucus night. Contrary to the conspiracy theorists, that all that it boils down to.
Jeff Brigham
Stopping the count...
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 10:34am....was not the only problem. What about counting preferences and not elected delegates?
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Yeah
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:15am.Well, we are a lot better at the caucus thing, you must admit.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:18am.I can only admit that it's a
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:23am.Terrible?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:32am.Yes
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:41am.Sorry you feel that way
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:46am.Lots of drama
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 12:13pm.Actually, Gregoire only
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 12:33pm.Actually, Gregoire only asked for one recount. The first recount was legally mandated (not requested) because of the close election. On December 3, the Democrats requested a hand recount. On December 22, the Supreme Court ruled that rejected ballots in King County should be counted (not a recount). The election was a cluster puck indeed, but the keep recounting until you win meme is not based on reality.
Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
Tongue-in-cheek
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 12:43pm.Sorry dude. Meme-busting always takes precident over humor
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 12:47pm.that's a great quote
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 1:14pm.My original question
Submitted by stevenl on Wed, 02/13/2008 - 11:19pm.Was "So, is he sour grapes or is he justified?"
And the answer seems to be "sour grapes."
If so, is this presidential? And if not: Does he deserve a place on the Republican ticket as a running mate?
I'm mostly interested in hearing from you Republicans out there on this. My requested ground rules in your response: stick to your own party, I don't want to read a comment where you point to another party and say, "But Daaaad, they're doing this bad thing too." And I'll ask you progressives not to stir things by pouring salt into the wounds of the politically injured. They really screwed up on handling their tallies. We know it. They know it. Let's move on to bigger issues.
The Republicans are really going through a major change right now within their ranks, and I am very interested in who what where when why from the Republican point of view. And what are the local Republican expectations of the next election? Using George W. Bush as a focal point, what direction is your party going?
This has been a very interesting campaign season for both parties. On the Republican side, it would appear that no matter who was nominated some big segment of the party would be offended. Is the Reagan coalition falling apart? Why?
Nice.
Submitted by stevenl on Tue, 02/19/2008 - 6:38pm.Funny
Submitted by stevenl on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 5:04am.How quiet it gets at times like this ... I know there are thoughtful Republicans in OlyBlog, I even met one. C'mon out. I'm the son of a Goldwater Republican. I won't bite.
Using George W. Bush as a
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 5:37am.I think it's going in a positive direction but - as you noted - there's a bit of division. A lot of people support people like Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul. I think it says a lot that Buchanan is still influential both on television and in print media. Paul has also had extraordinary success fund raising. Unfortunately, it hasn't translated into many votes this election.
Howard Dean had a good run in '04 with fund raising but was ultimately derailed in the election. After being the head of the Democratic Party since then, there is now a candidate like Barack Obama who is significantly different than any other candidate.
Maybe the Paul campaign will act as the same catalyst?
But then you have Mike Huckabee, who is still in the race and has remained competitive even after it became clear that John McCain was going to take the nomination. Maybe it's Huckabee who will act as the catalyst?
After all, even Buchanan himself suggested on MSNBC that losing this election will not be the end of the Republican Party and said it may be an opportunity to come back strong in 2012, drawing comparisons to Jimmy Carter's presidency and his immediate successor: Ronald Reagan.
Thanks TFI
Submitted by stevenl on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 6:06am.If I thought Paul was going
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 6:13am.If I thought Paul was going to win, I would have voted for him as the Republican candidate. I think putting Paul and Obama on the stage in a presidential debate would have been very, very interesting.
As is such, Paul really didn't register at the polls and by the time the choice came to Washington, it was pretty clear who to vote for if you wanted to get behind the nominee.
As it looks now
Submitted by stevenl on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 6:23am.it is going to be interesting anyway. Not to count Clinton out, but an Obama/McCain race will be fascinating-- especially in reaching out to us independents. In this regard McCain will face a bigger challenge. Many of us non-party types are really turned off by the Religious Right and their non-libertarian agenda. It will be a real test of McCain's skill as a politician to see how he can get the RR support without alienating the average independent voter.
How come Huckabee is still running?