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Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 10/13/2007 - 10:32am.
On the streets many of us have seen unusual things; 3 cops keeping 50 people at bay, even inspiring fear in some of them; a raised bicycle utterly terrifying a mob of would be wizards; a crowd of 300 suddenly neutralized as it hovered menacingly around a recruiting center, on the verge, the utter verge of doing what they knew needed to be done. There is more at work here in these types of occurrences than mere physical matter. Something else is responsible for 300 people not clobbering 50 pigs. A powerful spell is wielded over us all. The cops, the cops that stand in our way on the streets, have gotten into our very minds. Our nemesis has vast resources. It attempts to shape culture through its media. Through its media, the notion of the invincible cop has spread wildly in the US. But there is more to it than the media. The school system and capitalist employers do nothing but ingrain the ideas of authority, hierarchy and regimentation into the minds of the population. There is always someone above you. And they have power over your life. They must be obeyed, whether out of fear or by choice. To disobey is to be attacked by the apparatus that surrounds you. An F on a report card, expulsion, termination, demotion, wage decrease. We are taught to live in dread of those supposedly above us. People in the US who have had little or no interaction with the police believe them to be a benign, neutral entity which makes a few mistakes every once in a while. To everyone else, the police are a hostile entity. Continuously lying, indulging in sadistic violence, murdering children, planting drugs on those who have not paid them off, banding together to destroy innocent people; these are just a few of the traits of the police. We all know how vile the police are. We have experienced their violence. We have been taught to fear the police for so long that, despite how much we may despise them, we hesitate to defend ourselves. Even if we know we can merely take out our wands and be out of danger, we stop for a moment, just long enough for the baton to come down or the rubber bullet to hit us in the skull. The enemy, through its spell, has made us believe that these human beings in front of us, these men and women who have nothing but a number on their chest, are somehow above us. They may have guns and a domestic army at their backs, but they are NOT above us. While they are in our minds, the word of a cop can keep us on the sidewalk. This is pathetic (The IAC has indulged in such pathetic behavior. This statement is not meant as an attack). They are nothing but what we allow them to be. We cannot change the fact that they can shoot us, but we can refuse to listen to them until they look like they are going to shoot us. Most of our fear is mental. Our fear of the cops has been programmed into us. Part of that fear is real, coming from the weapons they posses and the jails they run. The rest of that fear is an illusion. The next time you are walking on the street and the pigs tell you to get on the sidewalk, think for a moment, judge your surroundings and your support, and figure out if you are in any real danger. You will soon be surprised when you realize that unless that cop really wants to start something in the midst of a huge, threatening crowd, you will not be in any danger. Do that, and get everyone else out on the street with you. Once you have done this, a wand will magically appear in everyone's pocket. Remove this wand from your pocket. And teach yourself how to use it That is the first step. Once it is taken you must start de-conditioning yourself from a lifetime of being taught to respect authority unquestioningly. The longer this de-conditioning continues, the more and more magical the world will seem. Unlimited possibilities for life and action will become clear. When the cops are finally stripped of their otherworldly powers, they appear to be as human as they are; broken creatures tricked by the spells of our enemy. On the street they have armor and batons and gas and guns. That is it. We should only fear what we need to fear WHEN we need to fear it. Otherwise we fall right back into their hands. To truly disobey the government we have to disobey the government. Do not listen to a SINGLE thing they have to say unless you have no choice. Examine exactly why you have no choice. Is it because they are going to shoot at you and you do not want to get hit, or is it because you are scared of something you cannot name? It is too late in the game to keep making excuses for our selves. They are not afraid of those who listen to them. The very act of listening to them gives them power. People listen to cops like they listen to a teacher giving instructions or a manager interviewing them. They listen in the same way people listen to priests or husbands or leaders on the screen. Do not grant them any power over you. They are just like you. And they are making a choice to brutalize the people around them. This cultural masochism must stop. Are their blows really that pleasurable? Should we constantly be taking them as a matter of course? Answer: No. The only cop you should kill is the one between your ears (The IAC is not the author of the previous statement). There is a lot of truth to this statement. The cop within is the most powerful cop. When it is gone the possibility of revolution stops being a vague, impossible dream and becomes something within your reach. Your life is your life and no one should be in control of it but you and those you allow into it. Stay on the street when they tell you to move to the sidewalk. After getting away with it ask yourself this: How many other things could I get away with? Answer: More than you could imagine. Sincerely Yours, The International Anarchist Conspiracy (IAC) For future reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voDihUrUtEo
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Where do you get this stuff
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 8:43am.Most of these people, I
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 8:54am.I don't drop to my knees and worship a person just because they're a cop, but I also don't believe a uniform and badge automatically makes one a pig. I'm curious, if someone were ever to assault those idiots who stand on the bridge with their anti-cop signs, if they'd call the police. If they wouldn't, then in a way it's an invite to hit them with a free-for-all. (And since I'm always seeing them from a window during work hours I wonder how many of them actually work and how many just work the system.)
Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
wow
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 1:03pm.HEY!
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 1:04pm.you're right norm, well
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 1:05pm.Dangit
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 1:16pm.I get it
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 1:04pm.Or those like Horcruxes?
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 1:05pm.You lost me a "pig"
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 10:07am.You might as well attach electrodes to Merwyn's nuts. If you want to have a thread about how we grant authority to people who may not deserve it, it must not contain pork metaphors.
And Merwyn, you would drop to your knees if a cop simply told you to. Whether or not you think they are pigs doesn't change that.
If they had their guns drawn
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 10:10am.Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
Gug
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 10:38am.Just because you have a light saber
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 11:03am.well...
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 11:21am.I would ask that everyone try to read this for the overall message and block out that word, it's really not important to the opinion.
I find myself perpetually frustrated by the stereotypes held about people of similar political, social, and economic values as I have. When you hear the word anarchist, you most likely think of molotov cocktails, rock throwing, and other violence. That's what the news organizations focus on also. Anarchy is not about violence, it's not opposed to it, but violence is not its m.o. either. Anarchy is about you being able to live your life and be happy unmolested by governments, gods, and masters (like your boss at work). It is not chaos, or disorder, quite the opposite, it is complete order, social order. The symbol that many anarchists use to identify themselves is called the 'circle A'. I'm sure you've seen it. What many people, many anarchists as well, don't know is that it's not a circle around the A it's the letter O. O standing for order. We don't want to fire all the cops and let the streets run wild, we want to create a community in which cops aren't needed because everybody has what they need. How much crime would be left, I'm talking crimes that have a victim, if everybody simply had everything they needed? I think it's a good question and worthy of some discussion.
Thanks for the reply Rob.
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 11:32am.The trouble with that is
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 12:06pm.If some punks got together and launched an assault on Camp Quixote, or even made public a believable threat to do so, is everyone going to be content that the community can take care of itself, or is someone going to call the police for assistance?
Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
Like I said to Gug, you're
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 1:00pm.Right now, I'm sure someone would call the police, but again, that's the system we live in. I wouldn't call the police personally, I would probably get lots of my friends together and go hang out at the camp, but that's just me. The police aren't going to be there when something happens, they will only be there after something happens. But we always have the opportunity to be protected by the community we choose to build around us.
How many crimes would there be if everyone had what they need?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 12:12pm.Ask the guys at Enron.
I agree that your notion of anarchism is a worthwhile topic of discussion. What if everyone had what they needed indeed? As someone who recently bought a green laser point just for kicks, I am probably far beyond my "needs."
Your point about Enron only
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 12:51pm.I realize you are talking about
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 1:31pm.Even when given what needed,
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 2:42pm.I suppose none of that is
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 3:13pm.Something else is
Submitted by Phil Owen on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 9:50pm.Something else is responsible for 300 people not clobbering 50 pigs.
The trouble with this post is that the gut level reaction to this kind of thing, at least for most people that the IAC wants to "wake up", is "dumbshit kids".
There is indeed a great deal of questioning of power that ought to happen, that could happen. But people don't simply wake up and begin examining the ideologies of capitalism or structures of power because some kid says to clobber "pigs" (besides which, I don't think this is the conclusion people would come to if they took the time to examine the power structure).
In a world that is so screwed up as ours, propaganda like the IAC's strikes me as not just inffective, but downright obnoxious.
The Canaanite's Call
Obnoxious, yes. The word I was thinking of was
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 9:55pm.psstt... don't forget the
Submitted by Phil Owen on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 10:04pm.psstt... don't forget the "s".
The Canaanite's Call
Damn!
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 10:06pm.Freedom.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 12:13am.So often this is used as a rallying cry to persuade us to overlook violent and opportunistic foreign policy. "They" don't hate us for our freedom in reality, they hate us for our vacuum of freedom. They hate us for our pop culture, they hate us because we hate them. They hate us because we turn a blind eye to the violence we bring to their neighborhoods.
Let's say that tomorrow a bomb goes off on 4th Avenue in front of Cafe Vita that kills 26 people and injures 32 others. That would be headline news for weeks afterwards. Yet this is the kind of thing that happens in Iraq almost daily with barely a mention in our press. We are so disconnected from what is going on that we somehow justify innocent lives being taken in the name of what? Security? Liberty? Freedom? No. Our policies have brought us none of those things despite what we are spoon fed.
I'm willing to admit that the IAC Communiques are directed toward a certain audience, but I post them here with hope that we can discuss the bigger picture.
I feel like I am not free. I feel like I am tied down by the system we live in and that the government is not at all representative of my needs. I live in America, and that is supposed to mean something. It's supposed to mean that I have access to inalienable rights, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness among them. I don't feel like I, or the majority of the working class have access to those rights. What can I do about that? What are my options? Vote? That hasn't turned out well. My options on the ballot don't represent the needs of the people, they only seem to represent the ownership class. Where should I channel my frustration? Do my views not matter? Should I simply slink away and allow the status quo to rule regardless of my opinion? Does my opinion really matter?
I want to live in a society that allows people to control their own lives. I want to be able to stand up for and voice my beliefs without being called immature. I want to be able to take action without being called a vanguardist. I want to create a culture of inclusion and community in Olympia that takes every single person's needs into account, without exception. That is not possible now. Our system will not allow it.
I post these communiques not because I want you to take them seriously, but because I want you to see the fun that can be had if we are free. These missives are written by people who feel free to express themselves and the joy they feel through social organization. The author recognizes the power in the individual as well as the spectacle. I hope to spread that feeling, and the power that goes with it, to everyone, so that we can all be free to be happy.
The problem is that this brand of anarchism (the free fun kind)
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 9:18am.Let's say that tomorrow a
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 10:32am.Let's say that tomorrow a bomb goes off on 4th Avenue in front of Cafe Vita that kills 26 people and injures 32 others. That would be headline news for weeks afterwards. Yet this is the kind of thing that happens in Iraq almost daily with barely a mention in our press. We are so disconnected from what is going on that we somehow justify innocent lives being taken in the name of what? Security? Liberty? Freedom? No. Our policies have brought us none of those things despite what we are spoon fed.
Of course not, that's happening on the other side of the globe. Do you expect an Iraqi newspaper to cover the recent school shootings over here as well?
I want to live in a society that allows people to control their own lives. I want to be able to stand up for and voice my beliefs without being called immature.
Unfortunately giving some folks control over their own lives means no control over their own lives at all. Our current system is broken, but going on a free-for-all isn't going to change the fact that some folks have NO self-control. What happens when we say, "Do whatever you want, you are in control." and the guy in the corner shoots up some heroin and rapes the little girl down the street? I'm guessing you would want to try and give him tools to clean up and some therapy to figure out why he wants to rape little girls. Me? I'd hang him up by his private parts and let people use him as a pinata until he stops breathing. Who decides what to do with him? Some folks have no self-control, and I don't think we as a society, if your system is in place, should have to babysit anyone. Do you have the guts to remove them from the world when they show they have no place in it?
Very good point, and it
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 10:36am.Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
Exactly!
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 12:54pm.Good point Merwyn!
"Do not mistake for conspiracy and intrigue what can best be explained by stupidity and incompetence." - Unknown
It doesn't take guts to remove people from the world
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 10:43am.So what do we do with the
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 10:44am.Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
Sorry Gug
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 10:49am.No need to appologize
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 10:55am.Once we pass 33, we can
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 11:09am.Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
That's fine by me. I'm all
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 11:14am.That's fine by me. I'm all for forgiveness, but I don't think it should be allowed to happen again. What's the one way to guarantee that? Removal from this world.
Again Jim, what would you suggest? How would you choose to deal with him and how would you deal with the folks who just want him gone?
I would just stand between them
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 11:41am.And what if you had KNOWN the man was a molester?
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 11:54am.Good way to get knifed. And
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 1:20pm.Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
The life of a might be child
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 1:24pm.As I said, peacemakers don't have a lot to fear
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 1:28pm.I wasn't trying to say sit
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 1:57pm.It's been almost twenty years since I was a teen in a fight and my body's only gone downhill since. I still remember a moment where I considered getting into it with my ex-sister-in-law's then-boyfriend. I found out after the fact, when everything was calmed down, that he was a black belt and an MMA athlete. Now let's say I tried to step up to him during a tense moment...Bye-Bye Me.
With broken bones even.
Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.
Peter Viereck, Yale Professor
I'm (only) slightly past my prime
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 2:24pm.Anarchy and Capitalism
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 12:34am.This may be slightly off-topic, but, I like to make the argument (I believe in it) that the problem is not the form of the society, i.e. whether it's democracy (though that certainly helps) republic, anarchy, capitalism, socialism, communism, etc.. The problem is not the "what" of society's design. The problem lies in the "how." How is it? How is society? Is it (or will it be) equitable, fair and just? Or is it (will it be) corrupt, exploitative and unjust? I think that the goal for society ought to be nonviolence, truth, humanism, sustainability. What form (democracy v. communism v. anarchy, etc.) that is in is of less import. I think this goal is achievable in a variety of societal forms or structures. Some, I will agree, would be easier than others.
I also want to mention my concern with what I sometimes interpret as a violent sort of anarchist movement. What will a violent anarchism, that seeks to overthrow the current (corporatist) capitalism, replace the current system with? How can a violent and vengeful movement hope to create or lend itself to a truly peaceful and life-serving society? Maybe that's not the goal here... I think the goal should be a better society and I think that a life-sustaining, life-serving, nonviolent basis for whatever type of societal structure, as well as the foundational movement to create that new structure, is critical.
In the Course of Events
And now a message from WalPepsiBurton
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 1:20am.anarchism and violence
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 1:34am.Yes, I know it's past my bedtime.
I can only do what I did Norm
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 12:12pm.Jim, we are talking about
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 12:18pm.