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Submitted by Laurian on Fri, 07/03/2009 - 7:40pm.there are three comments, two questioning Mr. Richard's spin and the third from Rob digging himself in further. Here is what the kefuffle is about
Karen Veldheer wrote in reply to Mr. Richards:
I believe in the separation of Church and State, and that city ordinances must be supported by elected leaders. I support the City of Olympia’s equal benefits policy. Regarding civil rights for minorities, including GLBT, the State of Washington has over 200 specific rights including many of the rights most important to GLBT which I support as well.
Seems pretty clear to me. Apparently not so for Rob. He goes on in his blog and comments on Emmett's Olympia Time to cast aspersions about her personal values with a series of speculations about her church, its teaching, and her position on gay rights like he's a liberal Matt Drudge. Why Rob wants to paint Karen Veldeer as a Fundamentalist Christian just waiting to take away Domestic Partner benefits escapes me.
I have gotten to know Karen over the past year through our work together on the Steering Committee of the Olympia Coalition of Neighborhood Associations (OCNA). She has been instrumental is organizing a series of information sharing meeting between community activists and the leadership of Olympia's Neighborhood Associations leadership. She led the struggle against Tri Vo over his botched Cooper's Crest development and recently worked with State Rep Brendan Williams to pass home owner's warranty legislation. Karen may not be the most polished candidate Olympia has ever seen but she does have the kind of coalition and consensus building skill set our city council needs in light of its recent history.
This weak and hopefully un-intentional character assassination from Joe Hyer's campaign manager is the same kind of divisive, personality driven politics that has torn this city apart. It must stop here and now. In the best of all possible worlds Rob would offer Karen an apology.More info on OCNA here)
More info on Karen Veldeer's campaign here
Rob's blog post on Karen is here
Laurian
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 07/03/2009 - 8:44pm.I understand that she has done some positive things for her neighborhood, and that's great, but that doesn't change the values of the church she attends, and doesn't mean that she should she shouldn't be fully vetted before the election.
Rob
Submitted by Laurian on Sat, 07/04/2009 - 9:08am.keep right on digging. In addition to making stuff up, you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Domestic partnership benefits in Olympia are not at risk.
To risk being redundent but Karen answered your question: she supports domestic benefits, and not in some abstract fashion, but as enumerated by the City. Pretty damn concrete boyo. Again, why are you beating this dead horse.
What is the difference between being fully vetted and demanding one's private life be dissected in public by some self important blogger? If you feel she does not show the proper zeal on an issue near and dear to you, then don't vote for her, but to launch a rant based on what Karen did not, or has yet to say, is bullshit, the equivalent of asking 'when did you stop beating your wife.'
How nauseating
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 07/04/2009 - 12:16pm.A candidate for public office may or may not have values that I fundamentally disagree with and I'm talking about it. What exactly is bullshit about that, Laurian?
This is not about what side she butters her bread on, this about whether she agrees with the homophobia of her church, to which she has not responded. What do I take her silence to mean? I would think that it would very easy to write a statement that says, "I disagree with those teachings of my church and work within my capabilities to address them. I believe LGBT individuals deserve the same rights and protections as anyone else." She has yet to do that. She stated that she supported the ordinance because the ordinance is law, she never clearly said that she would vote for it, or that she agreed with it. Your oversimplification of her words is misleading people at the same time you accuse me of being Rovian (how Rovian!).
I think the best thing is for anyone who cares about this issue to send Karen Veldheer an email asking her to clarify her personal values around homosexuality in general, and equal benefits specifically.
Mrs. Veldheer can be reached at: karen@karenveldheer.com
The bullshit part Rob
Submitted by Laurian on Sat, 07/04/2009 - 5:14pm.Right.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 07/04/2009 - 5:56pm.I never, not once, called her a homophobe. I pointed out that she attends a homophobic church, and I asked for clarification.
Also,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 07/04/2009 - 5:59pm.This came up a while ago
Submitted by jlw on Sun, 07/05/2009 - 11:03am.Thank you.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 07/05/2009 - 11:28am.This is an issue that rests at the core of my being and I needed clarification. I hope that eventually Karen releases a statement saying the same thing, but I'm glad to hear this came up and she responded this way.
This wasn't a witch hunt, this is an issue that I care deeply about, it's THE civil rights issue of our time, and I just needed to get to the bottom of it. I don't feel like I should be interrogated or have to defend myself for that.
I'm really surprised at the ease in which people dismiss her involvement with a church that has homophobic values. If I ran for office and at the same time was involved with a group with racist values, I'd be called out on it, asked to explain myself, and still probably lose, and that's appropriate. What's the difference between racism and homophobia? Why is homophobia so easy to forgive?
I care about this issue a lot, too
Submitted by jlw on Sun, 07/05/2009 - 1:31pm.Thanks for the info.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 07/05/2009 - 2:17pm.I'm not sure about the pancakes...
Submitted by jlw on Sun, 07/05/2009 - 3:34pm.