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Submitted by Real Olympian Hero on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 10:35pm.
Well, it's campaign season, and we Doug Mah supporters are working night and day to get out to as many citizens of Olympia as we can. Olympia is a great town, becoming an even greater city. Doug Mah wants to make sure that you and your family are a part of that growth. The first thing you can do is support Doug's campaign for Mayor of Olympia. "I know he's been on the council for awhile, but what is Doug really all about?" Find out all about Doug and where he stands on the issues that affect you and your friends, family, and neighbors, right here at www.DougMah.com GO DOUG!! and keep eye out on olyblog and all over town for more on Doug's campaign
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Wow
Submitted by jlw on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 12:16am.wow, indeed
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 12:28am.Hmmmm....
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 7:23am."There is only one race, the human race" - The Neville Brothers
Doubled post
Submitted by Ehver Green on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 7:29am.If you don't pull this
Submitted by Ehver Green on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 7:28am.Which is to say...
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 7:43am....not guilty at all, 'cause political satire is protected speech. Just what kind of American are you?
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
I would never do this,
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 7:50am.Sleep, William Blake/All is well/There's a marriage up in heaven tonight/There's a fire in hell
Daniel Amos
Acceptable vs. protected
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 8:58am.You seem to have run these two different concepts together. I didn't say it was in good taste to associate Doug Mah with Rush Limbaugh (although I find it pretty funny), I said it isn't going to be taken down. All political satire is protected speech.
Obviously, if something is obscene or racist, it is no longer protected.
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
No worries, we appear to be
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 9:37am.Sleep, William Blake/All is well/There's a marriage up in heaven tonight/There's a fire in hell
Daniel Amos
If Doug so chooses, and I
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 2:49pm.If Doug so chooses, and I may help him, he can file a complaint with WIPO and easily win a claim against the unidentified respondant (who at this point is hiding their registration information - wonder why?). Very telling...
First, the domain name, dougmah.com, is not easily confused with other names (e.g., unlike a scenario where someone with the last name McDonald could supercede the company). Secondly, the person who registered the name did so in bad faith. It was not registered for any meaningful contribution. Third, they have no right or legitimate interest in the domain name. Fourth, the redirection of the domain name supports the bad faith registration claim and itself continues down the bad faith path.
C'mon, you're reaching here. The call that this is satire and protected is laughable. It's purely pasquinading. How can you support such juvenile behavior? Do you not value honesty?
Honesty in Journalism?
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 4:53pm.lol
Submitted by bubba z (not verified) on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 5:02pm.Check your facts...
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 7:10pm.By my reckoning, there are many uses of the internet (including domain registration) which fall within political satire (including the Yes Men, The White House, etc). I haven't heard of them being sued for bad faith.
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
Domain Name Lawsuits
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 8:40pm.Happen frequently. Microsoft was involved in one with www.mikerowesoft.com. We settled and admittedly were too serious in how we handled it. Jenna Jameson filed a suit with the WIPO and lost. Lots of past suits involving likeness and commercial profit are out there. Some won, some lost.
But this isn't about commercial profit...
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 9:35pm....it's about satire. This means it falls under fair use laws and is protected.
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
On the blog it's about
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 9:06am.On the blog it's about satire - on it's face, it is about likeness (not commercial profit here). If you can't see the jackass mentality of someone registering Doug's name and giving him a position that is clearly not his platform, well, you know what they say.
I learned a new word today!
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 7:21pm.Great word. It's a noun though, so you can't i.n.g. it.
No?
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 8:24pm.I guess I stand corrected
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 10:29pm.Get a PC! ;0)
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 9:07am.That would be like me
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 10:04am.You're wrong and so is dictionary.com!
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 4:23pm.You win, yours is bigger.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 4:46pm.You win, yours is bigger.
Of course, I'm disappointed.
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 9:15am.Well put, Meta
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 9:43am."There is only one race, the human race" - The Neville Brothers
Well Put.
Submitted by paisleyboxers on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 11:39am.Seems everything is fair
Submitted by Ehver Green on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 12:43pm.Almost
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 1:26pm.You can talk about Gore and Clinton...
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 1:39pm....but only if you got something funny to say!!
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
Well then, a Blast from the
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 1:52pm.***
I'll wait
***
Old joke with a different twist...
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 2:00pm.I had heard that was two neighbors and the "urinator" was one's son and the handwriting was the other's daughter.
Humorous none the less.
"There is only one race, the human race" - The Neville Brothers
Right
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 3:29pm.Humor, like beauty, is obviously in the eye of the beholder.
Maybe it's just that the rule applies to "righties" or "gun-head"s?
Please.....
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 1:42pm."There is only one race, the human race" - The Neville Brothers
I'm confused
Submitted by Real Olympian Hero on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 5:14pm.We at the Doug Mah campaign are very serious about our love for Doug Mah. He's got the goods. Doug Mah knows what the constitution means, he knows that business comes before pleasure, and he knows the value of a favor.
Our next installment: Mah meets Miller. Miller loves Mah. Mah wins big.
GO DOUG!!
My last post on this subject
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 5:29pm........
"There is only one race, the human race" - The Neville Brothers
Returning the Domain Name
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 08/02/2007 - 2:59pm.I'm asking Real Olympian Hero, publically, to return the registered domain name dougmah.com to Mr. Mah. I believe I've done enough research and have a valid case to pursue a claim against the registrant (unknown) and registrar (GoDaddy.com). In reviewing the potential for litigation, it occurred to me that we could simply ask for the name back. There is enough case law out there through WIPO, ACPA, and other legal entities to make a legal case. But why?
While someone might try to claim this was an attempt at political speech, that should be pretty easy to defeat because there's no actual political speech going on here. There are cases saying pure redirects without any attempt at commercial exploitation or political speech are invalid and the name should be turned over. The whole "Doug Mah for Olympia Mayor" on the application title bar supports this. This is purely cybersquatting. So, can we play nice?
FAQ about Domain Names and Trademarks
Meta, do I have your support in this matter?
There's no there there
Submitted by Rick on Thu, 08/02/2007 - 3:53pm.First of all, cybersquatting refers to sitting on a domain name with the intention of selling it to someone who is likely to want it. That is clearly not what is happening here. Indeed, 90% of what you reference depends on trademark infringement, which in turn, depends on commercial exploitation. As I noted previously, there is no profit motive in play with this situation. Thus, you have to prove that the domain name is being used in "bad faith." But if there is a political message that is being communicated, that would be a protected use. Now, you may think that there is no expression of a political message by associating www.dougmah.com with Rush Limbaugh, but I certainly do, and I think that many others do to. Thus, it is satire, with a political message as well. Please point to the specific case law that deals with a comparable situation.
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
I'll address your first of
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 08/02/2007 - 4:35pm.I'll address your first of all, first. No, cybersquatting is not dependent upon the sale of a domain name. Check the ACPA from 1999, sign by your favorite, Bill Clinton.
I'm certainly not going to do the homework for you. Instead, I'd rather the domain name owner step forward and act accordingly. If you want a head start, search for "domain names" + "personal names" in your search engine of choice.
Rick believes it to be satire, so it must be so.
Look at the application title bar, Rick. It reads, "Doug Mah for Mayor" yet there is nothing related to Doug Mah in the context of Rush Limbaugh's site.
I'm willing to continue the pursuit of this domain name for Doug because I believe it to be registered in bad faith and the right thing to do. In all honesty, I'd do the same for Meta, or Craig, or anyone else running for council. It's such a juvenile effort to put Doug in a bad light. Rather than tear down Meta's competition, why not spend your time and energy building her up? Typical politics, I guess. I was hoping I could count on Olyblog to join me in making a difference, but it seems I may have been wrong.
Tearing down...
Submitted by Rick on Thu, 08/02/2007 - 4:55pm....or revealing a piece of the truth?
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
We are so fortunate to live
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 8:11am.I'm with you EG. Call it
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 10:51am.To be politically correct
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 10:00am.There is a post today, in the LTE thread that talks about this issue. I'll hope that the poster will put the same message out on Olyblog.
I've said from the beginning that I don't vote for Mayor of Olympia, thus I have no ax to grind, but I don't like to see any political campaign become fodder for silly insults - call it "satire" or not - and I love satire.
Meanwhile, I hope Olyblog can remain a true honest place of information and not become partisan for any reason.
"There is only one race, the human race" - The Neville Brothers
Hi Larry,It's me. I am
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 10:07am.Hi Larry,
It's me. I am Zach on The Olympian's boards. I would have used that name here but had just come up with the name Ehver Green (based in part on where I live and also on the pedals I use - Electro Harmonix - that's where the Eh comes from).
What message are you referring to?
Could it be:If you really
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 10:20am.You have every right to support whomever you want. If you feel Meta's underqualified who am I to argue with you? I believe the first sentence, If you really want to understand how Meta expects to win this race, clearly implies that Meta is relying on tactics such as that even though she clearly stated she was against it.
I would ask that she move to
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 10:26am.I would ask that she move to have the name returned. Anything less and we'll play the game.
And somehow I don't quite believe that she has nothing to do with this. She's aware of it and I believe she knows who registered the site.
If you knew Meta at all...
Submitted by Rick on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 12:49pm....there's no way you would hold that belief.
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
Not likely in my personal
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 1:03pm.Rediculous!
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 1:07pm."Play the game"?
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 1:24pm.Very clever
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 1:31pm.I've talked to Doug several
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 4:45pm.I've talked to Doug several times in the last week. He'd like to have it back. It is my goal to pursue all the resources available to have the name returned.
It may or may not be possible. We'll see...
I have to agree with
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 1:27pm.I was protecting your anonymity
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 11:10am.And I will continue to do so. Had you prefered I call you "Zach" in here or make reference to you being "Zach", I'm sure you would have let me know. I was just trying to be courteous.
I was hoping you'd feel as comfortable posting your feelings about this issue on Olyblog as on The Olympian. It appears you are, and I'm glad.
As I said, I hope that Olyblog is always a place where any person can openly post the truth about their feelings, within obvious reason.
"There is only one race, the human race" - The Neville Brothers
The Truth
Submitted by Real Olympian Hero on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 1:18pm.Publicity
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 08/04/2007 - 6:26am.The marketing side of me can't ignore how much publicity Olyblog got with the readers of The Olympian on this subject
"There is only one race, the human race" - The Neville Brothers
Which may not be a good
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sat, 08/04/2007 - 11:11am.In my school of marketing
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 08/04/2007 - 11:25am.A little controversy never hurt anyone. We may attract some interesting bloggers from The Daily, but that was how I got here and I've never hurt anyone intentionally.
"Exclusive comes from the word "exclude".
"There is only one race, the human race" - The Neville Brothers
I do agree. It may have
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sat, 08/04/2007 - 11:26am.Truth
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 08/04/2007 - 3:15pm.Absolutely. I'm working only a couple of days next week then leaving town. Let's try to catch up the week after
"There is only one race, the human race" - The Neville Brothers
The site has been removed.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 10:14pm.The site has been removed. Was this intentional? GoDaddy take it down? DNS broken?
Good
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 10:20pm.I have a feeling it was
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 10:26pm.Right...
Submitted by Rick on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 8:13am....'cause Mah and Rush look soooo alike.
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
Obviously you didn't get a
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 8:23am.Obviously you didn't get a chance to see the updated site. On the updated site, someone created a page that looked like a sanctioned campaign page (complete with Doug's picture, address, phone number, and e-mail), but it was clearly taking shots.
Wouldn't these folks time be better spent supporting Doug's opposition instead of trying to tear Doug down? Is there noting to talk about with respect to the other candidates credentials?
Didn't see that.
Submitted by Rick on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 8:44am.If it's no longer satire, then it's clearly over the line.
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
I saw it, it was still
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:15am.Then why is the site down,
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:18am.Then why is the site down, Rob? C'mon, this is getting ridiculous. Only losers would resort to this type of effort. Yeah, I said it...losers.
No need for namecalling.
Submitted by Rick on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:20am.When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
I have no idea, it didn't
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:30am.I just wonder if you think Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are losers too? They engage in satire about politicians all the time, and are a lot worse on them than this site was to Mah.
I really wish I knew who did this so I could tell you and you could confront them about it, and end this crazy obsession of yours. Is a shrink covered in your medical insurance? :)
Actually, they are and if I
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:44am.Actually, they are and if I felt the need to consult one, I would.
Your assertion that this was satirical is where I believe you are wrong. GoDaddy agrees, otherwise the site would still be up. GoDaddy's terms of use are black and white. After reading them, it was clear the terms were being violated. More than one person contacted GoDaddy about the site.
You may call it what you'd like Rob, but you and I both know that passion isn't obsession. You, of all people, should understand. I'm disappointed you can't wrap your head around feeling strongly about a subject or idea.
Btw, I enjoy Stewart and Colbert. I don't place them in the same category as the person who proxy registered the site. You might, I don't. And on that note, I'll agree to disagree. I've had my fill of arguing about the subject - we'll let the chips fall where they fall.
wow, sorry EG
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:59am.No need, I was being a bit
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 1:26pm.No need, I was being a bit sensitive about the subject. My apologies to you...Mr. Richards.
I have some personal feelings about our Internet that I'll share in detail when I have more time. As it is today, the Internet is a circus. It can't be relied upon for emergency, it's infrastructure isn't being updated to support its use and the need to control the Internet (mainly by telecoms and corporations) is driving a wedge between its current state and progress. There's more, but I'm not prepared to spell it all out right now. We need better standards and we need more people to take the Internet seriously.
I should also say, I still
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:47am.I should also say, I still like you. I just don't agree with your take on something like this. I can have a beer Friday ~ 5:30 if you are up for it.
Interesting that you mention other candidates
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:30am.I've got to trust Meta is
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:50am.It's disgusting. Gotta
Submitted by Ehver Green on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:25am.It's disgusting. Gotta call it like I see it. If the effort to make Doug's record public had an ounce of professionalism to it, I'd shutup. But, it does not. It's what I'd expect from a high school ASB race, not a race for mayor in a city of 50,000 people.
We live in a country where
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:34am.I'm with you on this one,
Submitted by Phil Owen on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 10:40am.I'm with you on this one, EG. The site was inappropriate.
I'm not sure it initially had anything to do with the race though. It went up before the race began, last winter. It was probably some butthead with computer skills who was pissed about the sidewalk ordinance. I'm glad it has been taken down.
The Canaanite's Call
There were updates recently
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 08/09/2007 - 11:05am.