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Submitted by Ehver Green on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 1:53pm.
As was expected and previously reported on Olyblog, Doug Mah will run for Position #1 in '07 with a Mark Foutch endorsement. I realize it's a symbolic effort as he already occupies Position #6, but we all know how important symbolism can be! Right out of the gate other endorsements include Ralph Osgood, the mayor of Tumwater and Virgil Clarkson, the mayor of Lacey (Yelm and Tenino mayors as well). Also onboard are Reps. Hunt and Williams. That's a pretty strong endorsement trail. So much so that I wouldn't be surprised if he goes in unopposed...we'll see. No word yet from Johnson or Ware. The article in The Olympian suggested some seat maneuvering. I suppose this is to find the best races and victory for Johnson and Ware. Johnson won his last election - but not by a wide margin. I don't think he's helped his status here in Olympia among undecided voters and may have even pushed away some support with his views and actions. Rheda Strub, from the Thurston County Planning Commission, would also like a seat on Olympia's City Council. Given the direction of Thurston County over the past several years, I wonder what the future of Olympia looks like if Johnson and Ware don't run or lose their seats.
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Mah is vulnerable..
Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:26pm.He is way too Anti - Homeless for Olympia..
More and more people are starting to find this out..
Taking Mike's words in to
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 5:50pm.A Public Sidewalk..
Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:46pm.Is for everyone's use..
Not just the shoppers..
And the 1st Amendment Applies there all the time..
Not just when you feel it should..
Making it illegal for a person downtown to: "orally" "beg, solicit, or plead" in order to receive "alms or charity" not only targets the homeless, its also unconstitutional..
Here ya go, since your
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:24pm.Here ya go, since you're opposed to discovering it on your own:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=seattle+roulette+9th
Read the decision. Upheld. Constitutional. Unless the SC has reversed, it stands as ruled upon and the city is legally in good standing.
Tone it down EH...
Submitted by bubbaz (not verified) on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:41pm.Question:
Have you even read Roulette v City Of Seattle?
Yes, all of it. I'll tone
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:49pm.Proof?
Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 1:03am.Im a person walking on a public sidewalk downtown who is about to "orally"; "beg, solicit, or plead" in order to receive "alms or charity"..
Explain to me where Roulette v City Of Seattle applies here..
Venetian Casino v. Local Board of Las Vegas
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 9:06pm.Venetian can be read here. That one reaffirmed sidewalks as public space even when they are constructed on private property with private funds. From page 13 of that 41 page decision:
I scanned Frisby and notice that it gives a lot of leeway to use of the public forum for picketing. Frisby can be read here.
Reading Frisby makes me wonder if a picketer choosing to sit or lie down in the course of their picket would have the protection of this Supreme Court decision in this seated or lying down picketing activity.
Roulette is far from "settled law" with regard to the various public uses of sidewalks.
things that stand out
Submitted by enpen on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 9:48pm.Two things immediately stand out to me in the drawing of parallels between the majority decision in Roulette and Olympia's Pedestrian Interference ordinance.
The first is that as a result of the passage of this ordinance anyone sitting on a sidewalk in downtown Olympia could (should) state that his/her sitting is in protest against OMC Section 9.16, thus making her/his presence an exercise of "facial freedom of expression." For example? Holding a sign which reads, "can you spare any change to help me protest OMC Section 9.16?"
The second thing that stands out is that the scope of Olympia's ordinance is far more vast than Seattle's. As per definition 3: "Public place" means an area generally visible to public view and includes alleys, bridges, buildings, driveways, parking lots, parks, plazas, sidewalks, and streets open to the general public including places that serve food or drink or provide entertainment, in the doorways and entrances to buildings or dwellings and the grounds enclosing them. Whereas in his majority decision Judge Kozinski states affirmation of Seattle's ordinance in part on the basis that it "doesn't restrict sitting or lying in public parks, private or public plazas, or alleys, nor sitting on the sidewalk in noncommercial areas of the city." This is a pretty major difference if one seeks legal justification vis a vis parallel reasoning.
Oh yeah, all italic emphasis is mine.
"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."
Because of the picketing
Submitted by Mike on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 7:36am.All of this conjecture of course, not to be construed as legal advice. For legal advice on the matter I think I would look to the ACLU for assistance.
"All of this conjecture of
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 12:58pm."All of this conjecture of course, not to be construed as legal advice. For legal advice on the matter I think I would look to the ACLU for assistance."
Yes, excellent addendum. One of those, "I should've said that!" moments.Contacting the Washington chapter of the ACLU.
"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."
He has my vote. I think the
Submitted by Norm on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:31pm.Wasted Money....
Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:43pm.What about all the time and money Doug Mah made us waste on that stupid Conference Center idea?
He ended costing the city almost a million dollars studying it, by the time he was done dragging his feet..
The Sidewalk Ordinance is another waste..
By the time they get through fighting that in court, and hiring extra officers to end up on Youtube, uh.., i mean.., enforce the Ordinance, the City will be out even more millions..
Sad really..
Olympia deserves better...
Yeah
Submitted by Norm on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:08pm.I'd sink a million into a stupid conference center that might actually kickstart the city rather than a thousand into the NFZ that doesn't do jack-squat.
Politicians spend money, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm going more for intent here. I haven't made up my mind yet but he's looking better to me than others on the council.
Norm, make me a promise.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:45pm.“One man scorned and covered with scars still strove with his last ounce of courage to reach the unreachable stars; and the world was better for this.
Ah, the plea. He's not a
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 5:15pm.I'll keep an open mind
Submitted by Norm on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:06pm.Mah will not go unopposed.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:49pm.“One man scorned and covered with scars still strove with his last ounce of courage to reach the unreachable stars; and the world was better for this.
Don't wait until the last
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 5:12pm.Mah will get my personal support
Submitted by OlyCop on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:16pm.and I predict many if not most of the police department will support him as well. The Police Guild supported him in the past, and I believe we will support him in the future.
Saying he is anti-homeless is incorrect. And I do believe he brings balance to the current City Council.
"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." General George S. Patton Jr.
oh
Submitted by enpen on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:39pm.nice quote.
"Anybody who doesn't know that politics is crime has got a few screws loose."
funny that,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 3:23pm.“One man scorned and covered with scars still strove with his last ounce of courage to reach the unreachable stars; and the world was better for this.
Police, in the past, were
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 3:44pm.Jumper cables.
Submitted by Mike on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 4:10pm.Democrats are more interested in helping criminals?
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 4:11pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
I don't want to hijack the
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 5:23pm.I don't want to hijack the thread, so I'll leave it at this:
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you Crenshaw. In my short life, in conversations I've had with folks who identify as liberal, progressive, and when forced to choose, democrat, I've noticed this trend over and over again. When it comes down to a murder, or rape, sure they are into the idea of imprisonment, everything else they want another alternative. God forbid it involves someone they know or love.
As for the death sentence, that wasn't what I was going after. I'm still a bit on the fence with capital punishment.
Our system is setup so that the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Which is fair, unfortunately if the state screws up with ANY procedure, the bad guy can get off on a technicality. Where the hell is the justice there? This comes to mind.
So yeah, my thoughts. If someone does something wrong, they go to jail/prison. I don't care if jail/prison is a scary place, you should have thought about that before you committed the crime. No sympathy from me, at all.
FYI this applies to marijuana, drinking and driving, and other things that people don't consider to be "that big a deal".
I encourage you to post your
Submitted by Mike on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 7:01am.This thread is about Mah. I think he is a slick mouthpiece for the money interests, the top 2% of the income spectrum, none of whom post here, the folks who have been winning their class warfare for the past thirty years. I think he will play to the folks who are manipulated by the money interests by working on low impact public policy that plays to the prejudices of the manipulated folks, but he serves the top 2%. Where the public policy has impact and where the money interests care, he will serve their wishes. Best government that money can buy.
Your link runs to a NWCN
Submitted by Mike on Tue, 01/16/2007 - 7:26am.but here is the text of the Court of Appeals decision about the Judge's inappropriate ex parte communications with the jurors in the case and how, in totality, the ex parte communications between the judge and jurors cause the Ct of Appeals to remand for new trial and new judge:
Readability is so-so, here's a link if anyone wants to read carefully.
I have found that when I hear about how a stupid technicality has caused a "criminal to go free", if I take the time to study the Court's opinion, I find that the stupid technicality has most often occurred at the level of the journalist, not at the level of the Court.