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Submitted by Norm on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:28am.
Does anyone else have a sour taste in their mouth after this thread was closed? Maybe I'm being overly sensitive but it really didn't feel right to me. Was Rob's behavior acceptable on this thread? When called on it, his behavior simply went downhill. Instead of some kind of resolution (no, the issue does not feel resolved to me) the thread is just magically closed and we (I'm guessing here) are just supposed to walk away as if it weren't important enough? Olyblog has started feeling really sterile to me. I had hopes that it was just a phase that needed some time, but it jumped into the cold bitterness that seems to envelope it at times. Cold, sterile and bitter, fun combo. I can't really put my finger on it, something just doesn't feel right.
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Good to see you, Norm
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:38am.Hope all is well with baby. You might indulge, if you haven't, in my editorial.
I get the sense that the answer to our concerns is "start your own blog"
There is a lot of that going around....
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:43am.The fun part is my web designer friend at ZX Development, LLC totally and unexpectedly out of the blue has offered to build me one, complete with custom front end.... svlibertarian.info watch for it!
Not that I will be leaving of course. Seemed like such a wicked coincidence I ran with it. And the domain registration was on $1.20 on godaddy, and I moved the hosting to my friend's server...
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
Yes Norm,
Submitted by JT on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 4:33am.I agree with you completely. Hope all is well with mama and baby.
S6 I look forward to it, and I like your signature.
"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
It will take some time
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:10pm.I'm still in the consultation stage with the design team as to the layout. Nice thing about knowing web developers.
I stole the sig from a guy on the Ruger Forum....
Oh Crap! My Mosin Nagant is trying to get out! Bad Rifle! Bad Bad Rifle! No restarting the People's Revolution! Bad Gun!
There. That's better. Good thing I keep the ammo locked up where my soviet weapons can't find it. Blasted things always trying to lead revolutions or unite the oppressed workers of the world, or simply find Hungarians...
I have a placeholder up right now... svlibertarian.info
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
I closed that thread...
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 5:50am....for reasons that really aren't so mysterious, but I'll spell them out for you if you really want me to:
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Thank you Rick, for addressing this.
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 10:11am.The reasons aren't mysterious, but I feel that the circumstances are. MLK is a strong historical figure, and I'm not gonna shout anything about "hypocrisy". He was an important man, no arguments here.
My question: Why did it take 20 hours for the thread to be closed due to your reasoning? As shown by the thread, a docent was certainly online. Why wasn't it closed prior? If the blog is no longer catering to non-local news, why was there no closure for the recent thread where the story took place in Centralia? Geographically Tacoma is about the same distance away as Centralia, should we begin to include Tacoma in the hyper-local content? Something still smells funny Rick.
I agree, the thread did go downhill. Was this due to "guns" or due to a lack of respect for the dead? We've been down this road before.
Hopefully a shooting won't happen in the local area. I would hate for that to be the reason why firearms were suddenly talked about on the blog. It seems like we should put a stop to all subjects that get folks excited though, unless it is local. Doesn't that seem like the fair thing to do?
Again, thanks for taking the time Rick :)
Docent's are people...
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 10:44am....so they have opinions, make mistakes, say stupid stuff. Some feel that docents need to be held to a higher level of accountability. I think that's just technique to stir up crap.
As stevenl notes elswhere, Centralia, McCleary, Shelton, and I dare say, even Matlock, are smaller communities that look to Olympia as part of their immediate geography. So, in my mind, that includes stories from Centralia but not Tacoma.
I was unplugged for the weekend, so I wasn't on the blog when that post went up or I would have tagged it. That's what Rob should have done, and then walked away, IMHO.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Your docent is the one that drove
Submitted by JT on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 6:07am.the thread down hill.
As for the dangers of guns, I know the gun is a horribly dangerous machine. At least once a week, my gun will go off for no known reason. Sitting in safe, on the table, nightstand, who knows when it will happen again. The anti-gun crowd will never get it.
Thanks for framing how the gun posts will be allow though.
"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
If you blog here...
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 6:09am....then he's your docent, too.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Good example of why a public health approach is better
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 11:03am."At least once a week, my gun will go off for no known reason. Sitting in safe, on the table, nightstand, who knows when it will happen again."
JT just provided us a single data point for one of my graphs. What he doesn't get is two things: (1) acknowledging risks associated with firearms is not "anti-gun" and (2) my graph will eventually comprise hundreds if not thousands of data points. Only then can we all "get it," because personal experience is not particularly informative. We all know of someone who smoked into their 90s, yet... for another thread someday.
Most machines can be dangerous
Submitted by JT on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:27pm.if used recklessly or inappropriately.
That's the best I can do for ya Gug. Guns, cars, lawn mowers, even baseball bats and scissors are dangerous.
"...terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam...(Robert B Spencer, author)
itchyhitch.blogspot.com
Indeed,
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:50pm.Because
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:14pm.Folks start out with public health perceptions and move on to regulation, registration and confiscation. Rights are not open for debate, nor can responsibility be legislated. Especially when incidents like the one in Centralia are nearly one in a million. A huge public health crisis indeed.
I am not aware of a single major effort to discuss the alleged public health risks of firearms ownership that didn't wind up being part of an effort to restrict a fundemental right.
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
This has turned into a gun-rights thread.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:18pm.Hi Norm
Submitted by stevenl on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 6:24am.We are doing pretty good
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 10:15am.and "yes" there are lots of things looking very different in the world.
What the &!#8
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 7:29am.Rb, wht ws th pnt f ths? r vn gttng n tht thrd if dn't cr bt th g? Ths s nt wht wntd t wk p t ths mrnng nd dn't thnk w'r dng rslvs n fvrs b nt ddrssng t. thnk Rb shld hv hs cmmntng blts sht ff ntl h psts thr hyprlcl strs.
"n prncpl, m n nrchst. Krt Vnngt nc sd h ws n gnstc wh rspcts Jss Chrst. m n rchst wh lvs dmcrc." - Knzbr
Thanks Enpen
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 10:13am.Docent Rob tried to be funny, failed and then got defensive
Submitted by Laurian on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 9:30am.Rob's mistake was his attempt at humor was way too soon and way, way lame. Rob, in comedy, timing is everything. Futhermore, there's nothing funny about Sawzall. Norm, as you said, it was a poor attempt at humor. Let it be. Rick, you were the only one who hit the comedy mark.
That said, the original posting and the discussion that followed was not that interesting and clearly not hyperlocal content. I'm still unclear as to exactly what hyperlocal is, (the wikipedia def is thin at best) but I feel a discussion of C. Heston isn't it. His death changed nothing in the political economy of Greater Olympia.
There are bigger fish to fry in the local blogoshere than the death and 2nd amendment significance of C. Heston. Grudgingly, I think it was right to end the thread.
Meanwhile at the Olympia school board...
Thank You Norm
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 9:17am.I agree!
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
People are gun-shy about gun rights threads
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 10:10am.And if ever there were the seeds for a gun rights thread, they were cast at the passing of "the president." Rob really should have butted out this time and S6 should simply have been warned that the thread needed a local connection. I hope we do better next time, including some thought about the utility of posting about someone as devisive and non-local as Heston. It helps to imagine that your audience is bigger than four like-minded fellow Olybloggers.
As for the sterility of Olyblog lately, I'm not sure what that means other than we don't argue as much as we used to. If the result is more of this then I think it's well worth it. Olyblog is more than the 10 of us who like to argue when ever there's a chance to do so.
Thanks everyone
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 10:16am.I'm not going to apologize.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 10:27am.There's a lot I'd like to say about the people who reacted strongly to my comments, their chosen hobbies, and their behavior on other current threads, but I don't want to start a big argument here, instead let's ALL take a moment to look at how we can be better neighbors to one another.
So If Someone Here Had Said
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:52pm.the same things about the 2 deceased transients you said about Charleton Heston that would have been OK with you? Threads wouldn't have been shut down? Vowel's wouldn't have been extracted? Nobody would have been banned? Your knickers wouldn't have been in a wad?
Somebody compared you to Barney Fife today with the only difference being your one bullet keeps getting fired over & over...
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
*snicker*
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:03pm.Remember the episode where Barney got all excited over having a criminal in lockup and loaded his gun even though Andy told him not to? And that nearly got Andy killed when the crook took Barney's weapon? lol
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
ROFL!
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:12pm.Yep! Barney was always waiting for the perfect opportunity to utilize his power! LOL!
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
Well,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:36pm."t's nc t s ppl's
Submitted by NWarty on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 11:28am."t's nc t s ppl's drms cmng tr sn't t?"
S y chsts thrs fr thr rctn yt y sm prtty nnchlnt abt clbrtng th dth f smen whm frm wht 'v sn nd n my pnn, ws a dcnt mn. Sys lt bt yr chrctr Rb, prtclrl n yr stndrds f bng a dcnt. t gs bth wys hr bb.
"Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something." - Mitch Hedberg
Wow....Tell you what, you
Submitted by NWarty on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:18pm.Wow....Tell you what, you want to mess with my post with disemvowel or whatever this LEET speak is, then email me, PM me, whatever. I'd like to know since it's apparent you didn't agree with my comment. Instead of being mature about it, this is what you do?
"Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something." - Mitch Hedberg
Well as I understand it
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:20pm.Disemvowling isn't l33t but rather a less than subtle attempt used by some boards to draw attention to an undesireable post while still showing the rest of the readers the person who posted it did a naughty thing. I don't have the energy to read what you wrote. Can you PM it to me please?
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
S6,PM sent with the original
Submitted by NWarty on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:27pm.S6,
PM sent with the original text.
"Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something." - Mitch Hedberg
Thanks
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:36pm.Didn't seem so horrible. I would like to know who did the disemvowling. Maybe a tag with the name of the docent who flags or disemvowels a post.
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
LEET?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:22pm.What mean this?
I would like the explanation posted in these comments so we can turn this into a teachable moment.
for the record
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:31pm.Alrighty then, any docent
Submitted by NWarty on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:42pm.Alrighty then, any docent out there want to step up to the plate and claim ownership for editing my post? Want to tell my WHY you edited my post?
"Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something." - Mitch Hedberg
Your post was a personal attack.
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:46pm....play the ball, not the man.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
So it's okay for Rob to
Submitted by NWarty on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:53pm.So it's okay for Rob to attack others and condemning them for their remarks? Rob said:
"There's a lot I'd like to say about the people who reacted strongly to my comments, their chosen hobbies, and their behavior on other current threads"
So if I make comments about the docents in general, that's okay? I'm confused. I got my Wilson College Edition Football right here.
"Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something." - Mitch Hedberg
That's What Others Around Here Have Been Saying
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:55pm.every since he became a docent! It's a 2 way street and both are named Rob's Way! He does exactly what he publicly admonishes others for!
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
Why is it that...
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:58pm....you're so concerned about Rob's behavior? Did he insult you? If so, send him a pm. If he didn't, then leave it alone.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Because
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:23pm.his behavior is full of double standards around here.
And for the record, he's insulted me numerous times and I did take it up with him privately. Granted, this was before he became a docent. After you gave him his reign of power, he ran with it. He does exactly what he calls out others for & you constantly have his back instead of listening to others. He is NOT a fair, or unbiased docent. He's "snarky", snide, rude and offensive. But if anybody else stands up for themselves, he shuts down threads, whines in docent emails, calls for banishment or demands 3 local postings. If anybody else adopts his stance and posts something snarky, snide, rude or offensive he's all over it like flies on honey.
Why is it you can't see Rob's double standards around here? You're not blind to anything else going on by anybody else. Why aren't you listening to anybody else?
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
And is it so important...
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:43pm....that all perception of a double standard be eradicated from OlyBlog? This is the quest that you choose to embark on? Exactly why is this so important? As I said. If you have an issue with Rob, communicate with Rob. Leave the rest of the blog out of it.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Ds nyn ls Thnk Rck
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:44pm.lrnd hs "dncng" sklls t rthr Mrry???
" pnt f vw s nly vw frm pnt..." ~ nknwn
Say what?
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:49pm.PM Please.
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
ROFL!
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:51pm.Maybe if I'd done what he did to someone else & called him an a**hole instead of criticizing his dancing skills he wouldn't have tried to silence me???
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
I'm concerned about Rob's behavior
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:43pm.Is that burnt thread?I
Submitted by Ehver Green on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:56pm.Is that burnt thread?
I wouldn't accept an apology from Rob at this point. I've got a better idea.
STOP
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 12:56pm.It's not bitching Gug, it's
Submitted by NWarty on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:02pm.It's not bitching Gug, it's far from it. It's called double standards and calling those onto the carpet for it. For some here it's okay to take a "shot over the bow" and get away with it.
Again, it's the "Do as I say, Not as I do" approach.
"Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something." - Mitch Hedberg
Do you see what you're arguing about?
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:05pm.You're basically pissed be because you don't get to be as much of an *sshole as someone else. Do you think you could stop waisting all of our time now?
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Rick,I've sat in the
Submitted by NWarty on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:24pm.Rick,
I've sat in the shadows lurking here for over a year, rarely posting on anything. I've watched the entire docent debate go down from the sidelines, rarely saying a word.
But as soon as I feel the need to pipe up, I'm called an a**hole.
I just received a slew of PM's from people supporting me. So apparently the only person's time I'm wasting is yours.
"Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something." - Mitch Hedberg
Sitting on the sidelines...
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:07pm....is fine, but it doesn't entitle you to much. You certainly don't get to "call people out on the carpet" for anything. Why on earth would you think that in the first place? It doesn't matter how many times I come over to your house, I don't have the right to start rearranging the furniture.
If you have an issue with Rob, I'm sure he's more than willing to take it up with you. Direct communication is the key. In the meantime, leave the rest of the blog out of it.
And let's be clear: I said: "You're fighting about who gets to be an a**hole." I didn't call you an a**hole. I'd appreciate it if you'd stick to the words.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
I thought this was an experiment
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:10pm.That grows and evolves with input and from the users? If you are going to encourage folks to partcipate surely you want folks to chime in with their opinions?
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
"Calling people out..."
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:23pm....is not what I'd call constructive criticism.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Who said anything about calling people out?
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 3:01pm.I kept my accusations pretty private IIRC. I maintained and still do there is either a deliberate or unconcious effort to keep certain content or idealogy off the blog. MLK should have been flagged and shut down as quickly as Heston. Funny thing I make an MLK post and it stays open. I make a Heston post and it gets shot down (no pun intended) And yet I keep hearing there is no political motivation? I'm not sure it is deliberate, but as you have observed there are only a handful of regular users who are to the right of center.
It's pretty easy for the majority to oppress the minority, even without knowing so. Another statement I have seen somewhere on OB.
As "manic" as I may be, I try to keep my specific accusations in private.
It's real simple. There is a perception that content and power are being used in a way that ensures certain ideals are favored over others.
Those people who believe that would like to see some sort of firm policy and safeguards. Define hyperlocal. Add the name of the docent who tags or modifies a post for any reason, and why they did it.
I don't see why this can't be done.
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
Sec
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 3:10pm.Add the name of the docent who tags or modifies a post for any reason, and why they did it.
Absolutely! Can this be implemented???
As for MLK vs Heston. You would have an easier time trying to compare Rambo and a boy scout. Sure they could both survive in the wilderness, but.....
It seems to me much of MLK's power came after his death. He has been a huge influence on our society, HUGE. Now perhaps with Heston's death, and the current supreme court issue, maybe he will become a huge cultural influence after his death. I can understand why MLK threads are left while Heston threads aren't.
It could easily become a dangerous path though. MLK wasn't the only huge influence on our society, so was Star Wars. Think that one through ;)
There are a million ways to make Star Wars local...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 3:20pm.I could OC a blaster
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 3:22pm.and light saber.
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
I think it is fair to expect that the docent who
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 3:26pm.modifies your post should also PM you about it unless the reason is obvious or mundane (like formatting). I also think that before a thread gets shut down, the "owner" should be warned: if the problem is local content, then he or she can establish a link; if the problem is civility, the they get a chance to rein in the conversation.
So be it Rick, it's your
Submitted by NWarty on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:57pm.So be it Rick, it's your blog. I guess I have to be an active member and post more to get to criticize something or someone. I've said my piece, made my point, so I'm out of this thread.
"Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something." - Mitch Hedberg
Exactly NW!
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:18pm.Look at it as some people say "Enough is enough. We want this Double Standard to stop and we've taken our protest public!" I mean, after all, you found it perfectly acceptable for those who took to the streets of Oly for the port protest... We're just choosing to do it non-destructively! Why can't we voice our concerns? Why can't we be heard? Why can't there be a fair compromise? Why is it only about certain people and to hell with all the others who are good posters or members? Or who enjoy the site. Or realize that we're all adults and nobody is ever going to be in 100% agreement?
Why is this blog open to Olympians and then they're chastised for their postings, especially if they don't gel with the opinions of docents but those docents are free to post whatever they want despite it might not fall in the guidelines or offend others?
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
I'd say it becomes bitching
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:24pm.Great! If We Know Where Everyone Stands
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:31pm.what's the compromise? I know you & Rob have a BroHo Brotherhood and nobody is trying to split friendships. You were perfectly happy posting here before he was a docent, why would that change if he wasn't a docent? It's not like anybody is asking for Rob's banishment that I'm aware of, they'd just like to see him resign or be removed from being a docent and replaced with somebody they feel represents them and their viewpoint.
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
Nothing to do with my friendship with Rob
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:49pm.I think he behaved poorly on S6's Heston thread and should own up to it. But I just don't agree that he uses his docent authority to systematically suppress certain views on Olyblog. And to be perfectly honest, replacing Rob with someone who represents other views will not keep you and others from blaming Rick or enpen or Robert of doing the same thing. I stand by all the docents. Show me another site that allows the diversity of opinions we share on Olyblog but that does not enable the misanthropic vitriol we read in the Olympian comments? Provide me a link please, because I would like that place too.
What's the compromise? We are. Everyone of us is a grown up as you say. We have considerable influence on the tenor and quality of this blog. My compromise is that I do not contribute to gun-rights threads. Man, I love to argue, but I've banned myself from those conversations. S6 had an opportunity to compromise when his finger hung overt he "Enter" button before he posted the Heston thread. He knows what a hot-button topic that can be on Olyblog, but his panties were probably still in a wad about the Centralia thread. So he chose his wadded panties over Olyblog. Rob then chose his wadded panties over Olyblog, and now here we are.
Nope
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:52pm.Important actor and activist dead. Felt like posting it. Would have done so no matter what mood I was in. I was hoping that someone who had touched so many lives would have generated more positive comments either about his classic films, or his civil rights work. Not sawzall jokes.
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
Right
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:01pm.What else was I going to say about Heston?
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:05pm.I'm not a big movie buff. I saw the 10 Commandments like ten jillion times as a kid, and Ben Hur once. Planet of the Apes a couple of times. Most of what I know about Heston came from the pages of The American Rifleman. I'm sure you have seen the bumper stickers? Charlton Heston is my president."? I'm only one of about a zillion people to use similar comments that night about Heston.
I'm 27 he affected my life differently than he may have affected yours. Or my parent's. His activism is what really spoke to me.
So is it all unusual I would focus on that aspect of his many faceted life?
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
I appreciate the fact that Heston is an important infuence
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:15pm.I considered the risks
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:24pm.And found them acceptable.
I made a couple of comments about Heston and his activism which is meaningful to me, and provided a link to a news story. Pretty basic.
I wasn't the one making sawzall jokes, and you notice I stayed out of the whole conversation.
Nor did I start this thread. Or the one about hyperlocal hype. Two other bloggers with concerns did that.
Methinks there is a perception of us v them right now, among the docents and establishment, and also among the great unwashed masses.
"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
This is just silly, perhaps we can learn from it though.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:42pm.I don't feel like I very often personally attack anybody on this blog. You and Tschida constantly attack me every opportunity you get. I understand that I have opinions about death and heroes that you disagree with, it seems we can't reconcile that. Where did I call anybody a name or otherwise personally attack them? Point out where I've used my power to my own benefit. I mean really show me some examples, let's break them down one by one. Perhaps I do things that offend you without even knowing I'm doing them and would stop if I knew about them. Labeling me and ostracizing me in public isn't going to do anything to resolve the real problems you have with my behavior, only non-judgmental communication is going to do that.
Speaking On Behalf Of Others You've Done This To...
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:49pm.All I can say is RIGHT BACK AT YA BABE... And to quote you, I don't have to show you examples. They're all over the board. You know when you've behaved this way and you can expend the time & energy to go back & find it & learn from it yourself on your own time. I've got better things to do and think it best to stop responding with or to you in any way shape or form. Maybe if more people did that, you'd figure it out.
(Practicing "RP" now & walking away...)
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
Fine, walk away.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 1:53pm.Aw 'cmon...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:12pm....can't we all just get along?
Damn, Yoda
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:14pm.What happened on 9/8/88?
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 8:57pm....Besides this killer Dead Show at the Spectrum in Philly?
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Shakedown Street
Walkin' Blues
To Lay Me Down
It's All Over Now
Loser
Let it Grow
Bertha
Greatest Story Ever Told
Crazy Fingers
Truckin'
drums
The Wheel
I Need a Miracle
Dear Mr. Fantasy
Hey Jude Reprise
Turn on Your Love Light
Black Muddy River
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[Disclaimer: Unless you can't read this disclaimer, no Docent disemvoweled me.]
Auto-disemvowelment?
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"Don't try to out-weird me, three eyes. I get weirder things than you in my breakfast cereal."- Zaphod Beeblebrox
"Beware the person who would take your guns. That person is your ENEMY."
Isn't that what killed the INXS guy?
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:54pm.I've seen a definite change that I like once the "hyperlocal" started being enforced. I'm also not anti-disemvowelment - but I've seen one or two uses of it today that I disagree with. Nothing worth taking to the streets over.
Man, this new affection for disenvowelling is
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:46pm.Perhaps if we all used Czech
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:56pm.Man, that must be you for rough.
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 2:59pm.OH come on people.....
Submitted by DJW on Mon, 04/07/2008 - 8:50pm.I'm sure Rob was just playin around.........
It appears to be ok for some to 'attack' others for what they perceive to be inappropriate behavior but when it is turned around, it's passed off as 'playin around' or bad attempts at humor.
Sad really.