Meeting of Olympia Port Militarization Resistance (Oly PMR)

Olympia Port Militarization (PMR) held a meeting this Sunday, March 2nd at the Olympia Free School, 610 Columbia St., Olympia. The meeting was scheduled for 4:30pm. I am going to leave any comments of mine till later and for now try to stick to the reporting part of this. During the meeting I refrained from making any comments or involving myself in the discussions.

I arrived at approximately 4:20pm. Two people were standing outside the Free School waiting for the person with the key. We were let in by a person next door to the Free School. The meeting started at 4:40pm with a facilitator talking with the participants and developing an agenda. Apparently there was no agenda prior to the meeting. Introductions were made. I introduced myself by name and stated that I was going to do an article for OlyBlog. I have always felt that if you are going to record or interview for publication, ethics require that the person(s) be told that. So everyone there knew that I was taking notes and would be reporting on this meeting. One person raised a question on whether they wanted reporting done on their meeting. This was discussed and the members decided to allow it. There were eleven members present.

A number of announcements were made for other “community” or “progressive” events. Drew Hendricks spoke of a presentation he will give concerning the INS and plans for the removal of illegal aliens, at 6:00pm on March 5th, Seminar 2 Bldg, room A1107, Evergreen College. Alison Bodine, who was recently banned from entry into Canada for two years, requested a speaker from Oly PMR for an event in Seattle. Drew Hendricks volunteered to speak at this event.

Drew Hendricks reported that they would be receiving a large amount of documents from the Olympia Police Department concerning the activities last November at the Port of Olympia. He also said the cost for that materials would be about $90. He also stated that Olympia Police had made a decision that if people were using children as “shields” and there was likelihood that pepper-spray or tear gas would be used, then those children would be “kidnapped” (that word choice was Drew Hendrick’s) and parents/guardians would be arrested. Most people there expressed dismay that the police would take that action.

There was discussion on “outreach” methods and also a Regional meeting. Fund-raising was also discussed. There was a discussion on keeping a separation between funds for legal defense and operating funds but there did not seem to have been a final decision on this. A hat was passed around for “operating funds”. One interesting item was that if people donate $25 or more, then they will get a gas mask. It was stated that PMR had received a donation of 40 gas masks.

The Oakland Longshoreman’s union, the ILWU, has passed a resolution for a “stop work action” for the 1st of May. There was discussion on trying to get local longshoremen to do this also. Bert Whitlock stated that “The Olympia ILWU local is largely unappreciative of Oly PMR”. Several people there recounted how, last November, the local longshoremen were insulted by the protesters. Several people then said “that wasn’t PMR”.

At the end of the meeting there was an “Anti-Oppression Session”. There was a question “Did anyone feel oppressed at this meeting?” No one spoke up saying that they were oppressed. There was also a moment of humor when a moment of silence was offered in the hope that I would “leave the dark side”. Everyone got a good laugh out of that. The next meeting will be at 4:30pm on March 16th. Meeting was adjourned at 6:15pm but most of the people hung around. I think to discuss stuff that they didn’t want me to hear.

Comments

Children in the way of war

It would also be nice if the OPD would swoop down in heroic fashion and rescue all the poor innocent children of Iraq from the dangers, the suffering, the casualties that are associated with the US foreign policies of sanctions, invasion and occupation.

Judge Not, Least Ye Be Judged Yourself

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

Matthew 7:1-5

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"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown

I Like That Verse Too!

The one I choose to live by is this one

Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.  Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues, put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

(Colossians 3:13)

 

"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown

that is not how i see it

how i see this is that Jeff is out there to ferret out activities that he can bring his band of flag wavers out to protest. his actions is the past speak way louder than his words. this jewish girl find his activities highly offensive, especially his waving of the israeli flag to his..well just everything about his political activities. i guess only time will tell on this one. as for tschida--i really just cannot devote energy to explaining activism and organizing to you. i would highly suggest going to some meetings of like minded conservative activists to see how it works...
FIGHT THE POWER. NO RULERS NO MASTERS. SMASH CAPITALISM. that is all.

That is all good and well, but the meeting is public.

You are welcome to come visit and enjoy and write about or speak about 'conservative' meetings just the same. They are, to the best of my knowledge, open to the public meetings as well. I still do not see what there is to 'ferret out'. Often when a protest is going to take place, there are announcements to the public to get the word out, to help boost attendence. So again, what is there to ferret out? I am sad that you are offended that someone take the time to actually see for himself what goes on, and to gain a perspective, whether he is looking for one or not. 


C. 

 

 

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

motives

T- Your last sentence is what i am talking about. i do not trust his motives at all. i have no prob with someone wanting to "gain perspective." thats a grand idea. i just do not see him as being there for that lofty ideal at all. nuff said on my part!
FIGHT THE POWER. NO RULERS NO MASTERS. SMASH CAPITALISM. that is all.

oh man

i just knew i did not want to dragged in to this discussion ( not blaming you, just myself...smile). However, for clarity's sake, Rick--I do not see any humanity in a person who Openly celebrates the death of a young activist (rachel corrie) because of his own political views. I do not see the humanity of someone who Openly celebrates the destruction and deaths of many innocent people, women, kids in palestine (because he believes all palestinians are terrorists, i would assume). Celebrate death and destruction and then try and be a humanist with an open mind...HMMM. Very suspect. On the issue of the war and watada, i do not agree in any way with his stance or activities, however, those are his beliefs and he has a right to them. I hope this clarifies where i am at, not that it matters anyway...because people are going to see and believe what they want to, just like me, and i am sure that i won't be changing any minds. i just had to say what i said. thanks for listening. i think i feel better.
FIGHT THE POWER. NO RULERS NO MASTERS. SMASH CAPITALISM. that is all.

TY

Thank you! I appreciate that comment. Chatting with you conservatives is not my forte and i usually just stay out of it cuz it makes me sweat and i do not like it. you made it at least a bearable conversation. amy
FIGHT THE POWER. NO RULERS NO MASTERS. SMASH CAPITALISM. that is all.

Hyperlocal media

is what Mr. Bingham has created. If his coverage is inaccurate then those who attended the meeting should critique his coverage. Speculation on his motive, his political beliefs and activism are irrelevant. As someone said previously "play the ball, not the player." I appreciate his reporting.

Thanks for the report, Jeff.

nt

Yes, Thanks Jeff

I find all of this talk of taking kids away from parents a little upsetting. These parents didn't put their kids in dangerous situations and "what if's" aren't something that should be entertained here. Any situation is potentially dangerous. Should I not walk down the sidewalk with my son because a car could hop the curb and kill us? As my son grows older he will most certainly be taken to protests and marches and events many, many times, and there is nothing wrong with that.

He came down to Camp Quixote when we were on the lot downtown and had a great time. We kept hearing rumors that the police were going to raid us. We didn't know. But I most certainly was not using him as a shield to prevent a police raid. The very idea that police would think twice about rushing in with children present seems a bit of a stretch to me anyhow.

image

thanks laurian

i am soo glad to hear my comments are "irrelevant," who made you god? this is why i do not post on blogs or the oly! blahh.
FIGHT THE POWER. NO RULERS NO MASTERS. SMASH CAPITALISM. that is all.

Comments closed.

Time to let this one go.


> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract

Beware the terrible simplifiers.
Jacob Burckhardt

kids?

I am really upset that ANY parent/guardian would think about taking kids into a scene where they could get hurt (for any reason).

This could be a good poll...how many folks "support kids at protests"?

And good job Jeff

That was well written and sounded very neutral to me. Interesting language use by Mr. Hendricks btw.

Open Meetings

It's safe to say that PMR desires "transparent, inclusive and democratic" meetings. I think that includes maintaining an "open" meeting space. However, that in no way requires PMR to allow people who disagree with PMR's stated goals or tactics to participate in meetings. In an ideal situation there would be no censorship of who may or may not attend meetings. If someone's presence has dampening, disruptive or oppressive effects on the function of the meeting, then it seems altogether reasonable to respectfully request that someone not attend a meeting. That said, no decision on whether to restrict certain individuals from meeting attendance has been made, nor even discussed, nor do I think it is necessary or altogether appropriate to maintain such a discussion on a public forum. It's an internal issue. PMR will take appropriate action and render a decision on this issue that will reflect the best interests of PMR as organization that seeks to build a broad based critical mass resistance movement to the illegal and immoral wars of occupation as they are being perpetrated by our government.

Is Mr. Brigham's account of

Is Mr. Brigham's account of what occurred at the meeting accurate? Did he post things out of context to make a point? Did he misquote, skip important things, twist events or otherwise misrepresent what happened?

Why should the PMR fear somebody taking notes at their meetings and accurately reporting the event? Is the PMR planning illegal activities? Are they embarrassed that a member who has advocated violence is getting coverage in connection with their "non-violent" organization?

I can understand why they wouldn't want Mr. Brigham in attendance on a personal level but I don't understand the fear that they could be marginalized by what basically amounts to meeting minutes.

You say that a good cause will even sanctify war! I tell you, it is the good war that sanctifies every cause!
Friedrich Nietzsche

Red meat is NOT bad for you. Now blue-green meat, THAT'S bad for you!
Tommy Smothers

Must.. resist.. urge.. to.. comment..

...even though a flood of "small" one-liners is "flashing" by me...

Edit: Added the word small

I have no problem with Jeff's story

I also have no problem with people expressing their concerns about Jeff's story. Not sure why those concerns are such a concern. But then I guess we're all free to join the ever widening concern spiral of the concerned.

Strangely, on topic...

...eh?

Who Needs OPD

in Iraq when we have all the wonderful U.S. soldiers voluntarily swooping down in heroic fashion rescuing all the poor innocent children of Iraq from the dangers, the suffering, and the casualties, sanctions, invasions and occupations that are associated with the sadistic leader formerly known as Saddam Hussein! 

The Iraqi's are grateful.  Women have more rights now, there are more schools being made available to the children.  The soldiers are handing out food, clothing, learning materials, medications, medical care and compassion to the Iraqi people. 

If your view wasn't so skewed, maybe you'd recognize and realize the good we've accomplished in Iraq for the Iraqi people. 

 

"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown

Words to live by, Ornry

I'm sure you take them to heart every time you post.

Look,

That was a terrific comment. It was honest, and I think maybe makes you feel a little better to say what is on your mind. Good job. I had a feeling that this was the point of view where you were coming from, and I am feeling much better about 'talking' with you now that you said what you have on your mind. 

Regardless of my stand on Rachel Corrie, Israel, or the Palistinians, it is only going to hlep if I understand where you are coming from. You don't trust Jeff's motives. I can now much more clearly understand why you say that, rather than it be this kind of shadowy thing. If Jeff came with a sign that says "God Bless Israeli bulldozers", it was a bad move on his part. That doesn't help, even if he really deep down feels that way. It is not productive, and is in bad taste, and worst of all it reflects badly on other like minded people. 

I am glad you said how you feel. 

C. 

 

 

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

Lot's of people subject their children to potential danger

Swimming, kayaking, rafting, horseback riding, dirt bikes, hardball, football, shooting...etc. Every one of these activities is potentially leathal. A father has as much of a right to put a child on his shoulders to watch a peaceful protest as he does to subject his child to a foul ball off of a major leaguer's bat. Let the actual level of danger dictate society's concern, not the type of activity.

Olympiagirl

Being an atheist, no one and nothing can make me God. And FYI you ARE posting to a blog. But I digress. I did not say your comments are irrelevant. My point is it is possible for a person to rise above their ideology and report an event as objectively and accurately as any of the rest of us limited humans can. Scurrilous attacks, and I cannot see how your comments aimed at me or Mr. Bingham can be considered as anything but, are not informative, useful or even that interesting. Back to the issues at hand. Did you attend the PMR meeting? If so, please comment on the errors on Mr. Bingham's reporting. If you are leery of Mr. Bingham as a matter of principle, please write an Op/Ed and make a reasoned argument as to why Mr. Bingham is, using your words, an enemy.

If I'm not comfortable speaking out to Mr Brigham

If I didn't feel it was appropriate to show him weakness in the meeting, why would I speak out more permanently and accountably now, in public?

The simple, tactical decision was that it would have been a column about us being "secretive" if we had kept him out. As it was, someone mentioned the name of an activist not present and I had to demur from responding openly and honestly, lest I allow that person's name to take on added significance, and perhaps a place in Jeff's (unpublished?) notes, had I responded openly.

Does Operation Support our Troops meet at an advertised, public place, and do I feel safe attending the meeting of the folks who last November called me Fatso and Traitor and offered to kick my ass? Should I? Should I arrive armed?

Do they have that right though?

I'm serious about this question. I don't know the normal venue of these meetings. I think it may depend on how public your meeting place is. Can you throw someone out if you simply don't like them being there?

lol

It's better to bite your tongue....y'know rather than something else

you could call it a gyre...

...but will the center hold?

how sure are you?

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

lets see what some iraqis say. 

As A Matter of Fact

I most certainly do!  Thanks for noticing!  I hope you have a great day and keep trying to bring big smiles to the faces you encounter!

 

"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown

suprising POV...

...for me, this is not about "parents' rights".

You aren't the military

If you want to hold a private meeting, do it privately. If the meeting was open anyone has a right to be there, whether you are comfortable with it or not. If PMR has a problem with Jeff being there, they need to have a change of venue. This isn't Jeff's fault, it is PMR's.

I wonder what PMR would think if I showed up to the meetings?

public meeting space

It's my understanding that PMR can regulate meeting attendance at its own discretion. Of course this is the first time that this has happened, so it is unknown what specific action, if any, PMR will decide to take. The meetings are regularly scheduled at the Olympia Free School, 4:30PM on the first and third Sunday's of the month.

as i said

who made you god? your dictatorial tone about what "is" and what "is not" i find to be irritating and grating. ps nowhere in my name does it say "girl" by the way.
FIGHT THE POWER. NO RULERS NO MASTERS. SMASH CAPITALISM. that is all.

And what rough beast,

its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

That's just flat out wrong

This isn't Jeff's fault, it is PMR's.

Not only was Jeff not kicked out of the meeting but they publicly discussed and came to a decision that it was okay for him to report on the meeting on OlyBlog. That members of OlyPMR have reservations about his motives in the exercise or come out publicly afterward with varying levels of personal anger about his presence is absolutely not the fault of their open door policy (an act of good faith with the public) and has everything to do with Jeff's history of activism in this city.

Personally, I think it says great things about OlyPMR that they have the courage to maintain an open door policy to the public for their meetings, are open to including the public in their democratic process and that they had the fortitude to carry through their most recent meeting in the immediate presence of a psychologically abusive counter-activist. If you can't see that then I think your previous negative feelings about the organization's political activities is muddling your judgment.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

I think you often do

but I have a problem with telling people that they need to get over something, move on, just because it isn't important to you. Isn't that being judgmental? I've heard you do that in reference to the PMR a few times.

True...

For me this is 100% to do with police responsibilities.

First, you and I are going to disagree

Second, how about dropping the Norm witch hunt Enpen. Wouldn't that be a nice thing to do?

Third, I stick to what I said. IF members of PMR want Jeff, or anyone else, to not be at their meeting(s) they need to change their policy, or their venue. IF someone shows up to a public meeting, where everyone is supposedly invited, then PMR is solely at fault. If you want to disagree with me, then go ahead, but don't put words in my mouth.

First

There's no Norm witch hunt. Get over yourself.

Second, I didn't put words into your mouth, I quoted you.

Third, what are they at fault for? They let him attend. They let him take notes. Are individual members not allowed to have issues with his attendance or note taking? Again, the reaction that Jeff Brigham is getting from members of OlyPMR is entirely due to his past actions. He, not they, are responsible for his actions.

<"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

Yes there is, when are you going to bring up your email about JT

and I again?

I'm not going to argue about this with you Enpen. Have a good one.

I Think This Bears Repeating

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." - (Matthew 7:1-5)

and...

Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.  Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues, put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. - (Colossians 3:13)

Does this also guide us in deciding when to say things like

"If your view wasn't so skewed..." :-)

Um.............................

Your kidding right? I suppose one could accept your take on the reality of Iraq if.......... No, I'm sorry. I can't do it. I can't imagine any conditions under which your sentiments could be taken as sincere or reasonable. I'm left believing your just trying to stir things up. And damn it, ya got me. Touche!

new thread?

no text 

I really like Matthew. Might be my favorite of the Gospels

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Matthew 7:6 (King James)

That's one of my favorites...and why I've been so good at avoiding gun-rights threads and just letting go lately. ;-). 

Agreed %100

nt

"Our way or the highway"

Guess anyone who doesn't stand firmly behind your ideals is suspect and possibly unwelcome?  God forbid anyone just want to learn.  

At least this is what I am getting from all of this.   

 

"si vis pacem, para bellum"

 

This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.  

I wish I weren't censored.

Because there's something about why Jeff Brigham makes people uncomfortable that this man really needs to know.

ha ha?

Really, I think most of us saw your thread. Personally I rolled my eyes and moved on. It's like Olyblog got in a car accident with the Enquirer.

It's actually pertinent here

Regardless of your facial expressions or your metaphors. (And what a metaphor!)

Do you seriously think it's pertinent? Thanks!

nt

You seriously DON'T think

You seriously DON'T think it's a factor? People are uncomfortable with a certain person's presence, based on offensive past behaviors. You think people forget things like that?

I haven't confirmed that it's true, that may be the issue 4 me

nt

It might be a little

It might be a little different for the people who were there and saw the incident, maybe?

Absolutely, and I hope that I didn't infer otherwise.

nt

That's what PM's are for, right? :-)

"si vis pacem, para bellum"

 

This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.  

six, really?

You don't think there is, or should be, a qualitative difference between the presence of Jeff Brigham at an OlyPMR meeting and "anyone" who may just want to learn? I think making a generalization out of Jeff's presence at the meeting would be like me generalizing that everybody opposing OlyPMR's politics carries signs that read "God Bless Israeli bulldozers".

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

Personally

I believe if anyone would hide behind children in order to keep cops from deploying standard crowd control methods, the children should be taken and the parents arrested and charged with child endangerment...

Nice report, thanks!

 

"si vis pacem, para bellum"

 

This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.  

Hello?

Why would you consider "standard crowd control techniques" to endanger children, and why would you put a lower age boundary on the right to assemble to exercise our first Amendment rights? Why would you place limits on the rights of parents with small children to gather? Wouldn't it be incumbent on the POLICE to avoid doing the endangering?
Aren't we, as parents, endangering kids more by being complicit in our Government's global war and terrorism, such as shooting bean bags and tear gas and OC-10 at protesters, and shooting lead and DU at Iraqis?

No Offense Drew But...

taking minor aged children into a protest knowingly prepared (those children wore bandanas to protect themselves from pepper spray) and then planting them in front of moving semis is nothing more than child endangerment.  Once the law no longer considers them minors, the children are free to assemble to exercise their first Amendment rights.  Until then, the police have every right and rightfully should remove them from their parents custody for protection.

 

"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown

Yes, BUT

Their protection is assured if the police actually enforce the existing laws against Vehicular Assault which the driver committed, and restrain themselves from using pepper spray to stop a legitimate protest.

I hope you're not arguing that the state does a better job of protecting kids - I don't have to write about the OK Boys Ranch, do I? Do we need to discuss foster care systems and differential psychoactive drugging of kids in and out of state institutions? Do you REALLY want to argue that the nanny state is better at raising kids than this parent, simply because you disagree with her choice of issue?

It's funny that you want the police to enforce the existing

law, in regards to vehicular assault, but not enforce the law regarding a human blockade of traffic. Am I reading you wrong here?

a little

The PMR platform has always been to use direct action first, then bring the issue to court. In short, to willingly be arrested. So yes, enforcing the traffic law by arresting the protesters was the desired outcome.

Enforcing a law, does not always mean arrest though.

Just because you need a crowd dispersed, does not mean you have to, or want to, arrest everyone within that crowd who is involved. We already have an over-populated jail, I'd rather they hang onto the guy who just beat up his wife, than the lady who sat in front of a semi-truck. I'm not sure that the "desired outcome" will ever be fully obtained in cases such as this.  

Thank you for answering my question btw. :)

Drew,

read the law, what you claim was vehicular assault doesn't meet the elements of that crime.

"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.

"RITALIN, so much easier than parenting"

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Seriously, Mr Hendrick ... I

Seriously, Mr Hendrick ... I was there and I witnessed parents placing their young children in front of multi ton semi trucks in the center of roads. This in my view is blatant child endangerment and these parents deserve to have their children removed from harms way and if that means from their custody .. so be it.

mind's made up

It sounds like you have your mind made up.

Yup,

I agree Anna, and I have the pics to prove it too.

"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.

"RITALIN, so much easier than parenting"

itchyhitch.blogspot.com

What if they are just there exercising some

1st Ammendment rights with their children in tow (not using them as shields)? Surely you do not have a problem with parents deciding what is and what is not a safe enviroment for thier children. Some people think dirt bikes and ATVs are dangerous. Shall the police swoop in on them as well?

Why are we even talking about "human shields?" Is it because of the kids sitting in front of the truck? For them to be human shields, you must assume that the truck driver would probably have run over the the crowd had it been composed only of adults. That is one hell of a heroic assumption. 

He did...

He drove three times into the crowd, slowly, including toward the kids. I have some of this on videotape.

nice

Thank you for this, Jeff. Excellent meeting reporting.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

Thank you jeff for that

Thank you jeff for that report. I want to address two things '“Did anyone feel oppressed at this meeting?” No one spoke up saying that they were oppressed.' I do not remember people not speaking up. i know i raised my hand(someone was siting between us so your view was probably blocked). The group then talked for fifteen minutes about individuals dominating conversations and being intimidating to others during meetings. The part about children being used as shields then getting kidnapped. The point Drew made was if police want to use pepper-spray, which should not be use to disperse crowds, and children are present, the police will use the pepper-spray on the parent and child, take the child into protective custody then press charges against the parent in attempt to remove the child from it's parent custody.

I’m sorry, I did not see

I’m sorry, I did not see you raise your hand. What I heard seemed to me to be more of a general conversation on the subject rather than persons saying that they felt oppressed. That is why I did not include it. I do not recall Drew saying that “the police will use the pepper-spray on the parent and child”. I am not a professional reporter and don’t know shorthand so perhaps I did miss that. I will say that I do not believe OPD would deliberately use pepper spray on small children.

Jeff Brigham


"America’s greatest chapter is still to be written, for the best is yet to come."
President Ronald Reagan

Jeff Brigham


"The best defense against terrorism is a strong offensive against terrorists. That work continues.”

President George W. Bush

I would hope nobody expects you to be a pro

for what it's worth, I think you did well with the coverage. Expectations seem to be running high around Olyblog today.

Nicely Done

..thanks for all the work, Jeff.

 

Excellent reporting, Jeff

"He also stated that Olympia Police had made a decision that if people were using children as “shields” and there was likelihood that pepper-spray or tear gas would be used, then those children would be “kidnapped” (that word choice was Drew Hendrick’s) and parents/guardians would be arrested."

I found this item to be interesting. It would seem that OPD is doing some subjective thinking when refering to the children as "shields", considering that a woman posted in The Olympian that she took her children down to the protest to "greet the soldiers and tell them thanks" and was angry that a protestor bumped her child. I'm wondering if that person would get the same treatment and would that child be considered subject to removal. Maybe OPD can shine some light on which children were "shields" and which were there to "greet the troops".

The Anonymous ThurstonBlogger

I really think it's a

I really think it's a non-issue at this point.  OPD's going to take children out of harms way regardless of which side they support.

I would certainly hope so

I felt that children had no place being there - Period

The Anonymous ThurstonBlogger

Nope.

That's not what they did when the war supporters had their kids out during the women's blockade, and that event was WAY more dark (literally it was night) and dangerous-feeling than the Friday afternoon of which you loudly complain...

Reporting on Tonight's Meeting

Jeff, thanks for coming to the meeting and writing up a report on it. It's interesting to read your perspective. It helps me to understand where you're coming from and where you stand in regard to PMR. Personally, I would rather have someone who is supportive of PMR do write-ups/reports/press releases for PMR meetings. To illustrate my point, I wonder if Operation Support Our Troops would allow someone from PMR, say Drew Hendricks for example, to show up at a meeting and take notes sometime... I am glad that you sat through a meeting and that you were able to see the inner workings of PMR. However, I question whether how many PMR organizers were made uncomfortable by your presence. Many of us remember seeing you at the port protests holding your sign that read "God Bless Israeli Bulldozers". You have been vocal in your opposition to PMR and to the anti-war movement in general. Personally I wonder what made you decide to come to the meeting, and I would be interested to hear about it and know. Again, I think it was great that you came. Although I wasn't completely comfortable with it, myself; I think pushing the comfort zone is important. I hope you understand, and perhaps respect PMR a little bit more after witnessing a meeting first hand.

Although Jeff probably isn't

Although Jeff probably isn't ideal since he could be described as an opponent of PMR, I think it would be worse to have a supporter cover the meetings. It would end up being PR.

And, to Jeff's credit, he obviously looked at the meeting with a critical eye, but he seemed to keep it in the box in terms of his description. Good job Jeff. 

I Absolutely Agree!

Well said Emmett!

Thanks Jeff!  Nicely done!  I enjoyed reading it!  I look forward to your comments when you're ready!

 

"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown

Nice work, Jeff.


> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract

Beware the terrible simplifiers.
Jacob Burckhardt

intel gathering

you know, I am really not sure HOW a known enemy/active counter-protester of social change organizing movements in Olympia (including PMR), attends a movement meeting ostensibly as a "community journalist," while at the same time collecting information about this group as well as any other who happened to have information at the meeting site is labeled here as responsible community journalism. For myself, I would label this surveillance and intelligence gathering by a right wing fanatic at a leftist meeting.

FIGHT THE POWER. NO RULERS NO MASTERS. SMASH CAPITALISM. that is all.

If as you say it is surveilence,

Who is the beneficiary of the surveillance? The column is publicly posted and available to anyone who wants to read it. How is this different than going to a Lion's club meeting? Or a Thurston County Republican Party meeting? What intelligence was there to gather? How is what Jeff did different from a reporter going to a meeting and then publishing a column in the newspaper?


C.

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

Aren't you missing something?

An open door is the best policy.

No one is going to change their minds (very significantly) based on polemics. The only thing that could possibly improve the debate is if all participants can see the humanity in each other. So, if through this reporting Jeff (and others) learn a little about the activists, what they believe in, their honesty and commitment, then openness is absolutely the best way to go.


> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract

Beware the terrible simplifiers.
Jacob Burckhardt

Rick, you're missing some data...

Jeff Brigham has explicitly thanked the Creator for bulldozers which kill Palestinians who have the timerity to use violence in self defense, and also (in one instance) killed a person from Olympia. To think that he is at a PMR meeting to witness our humanity and reflect is - well, giving him credit for work not demonstrated to my satisfaction.

I realize where JB is coming from...

...my point was really about where he is going, given that he is willing to listen carefully, engage respectfully, and interact with other human beings. In my experience, this kind of opportunity can be more transformative than hammering on the issues.


> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract

Beware the terrible simplifiers.
Jacob Burckhardt

camping

I'd call it "camping" on the issue, without any real desire to change POV...

...under the guise of CJ, JB is going though a process that I certainly do not understand and perhaps no one does.

While JB is posting politely and "to the letter" (in my own words, a "PC manner"), I doubt his motives.

What I'd like is an acknowledgment from JB where he apologizes for his "bulldozer sign" shenanigans, reflects "in public" (letter to the Daily O, or posting here on OlyBlog) on how much harm and sadness his actions and words have caused in this community, and formally declare an intention to set-aside those hate-filled ways.

I am all for peaceful expression of viewpoints and such, but I cannot take JB seriously until he "repents" (for lack of a better word)...

 

Where Jeff is Going

Jeff is working to establish credibility, which is a good thing if it is honest. However, what if he has an ulterior motive? What if perhaps his aim is to marginalize PMR? Jeff has been vocal and vociferous in his opposition to PMR. He has demonstrated himself to be a dedicated detractor of the anti-war and peace movements. One of the signs Jeff regularly holds while protesting a weekly peace vigil reads, "Olympia Police Officers Job Well Done Thank You". I assert that the sign is in regard to the November PMR protests (it appeared shortly thereafter). I am protective of PMR. After all, I believe that within PMR exists the potential for enforcing a true and genuine accountability upon our government in a time when those elected leaders whose job it would normally be to do so are failing in their responsibilities. I don't want to get into a shouting match in the comments section here, so I will leave it here. I am uncomfortable with Brigham's attendance at PMR meetings (in re: oppression and intimidation) and I am further uncomfortable with Brigham's reportage on a meeting for a group for which he has expressed utter dislike and derision.

Of course

If you or your group allow yourselves to feel intimidated or oppressed by a member of the public showing up to a public meeting, I politely suggest that PMR is still too weak to effectivley operate. If Jeff was just there to observe and listen who cares? If he started to engage in action (other than his presence and note taking, which presumably any member of the public invited is welcome to do) then you may have a case.

"si vis pacem, para bellum"

 

This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.  

That's the wrong answer.

You're blaming the victim. That's no different than telling a victim of spousal abuse that they're weak for not staying in that situation and fighting back.

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No I'm not blaming the victim

And if you pull that domestic abuse card I'll show you how pissed I can get.  That is a very sore subject with me.   I've kept watch more than once for someone because of an abusive ex, at least once with a shotgun handy.

I am simply stating that if the group is still weak enough where the mere presence of someone who is against their stated goals is oppressing or damaging they need to quit having public meetings and limit who they let in, until such time they can deal with the occassional visitor who does not embrace their views. 

 

"si vis pacem, para bellum"

 

This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.  

I apologize if something I said triggered you in negative way.

But, please, please, don't threaten me. It won't get us anywhere.

I am holding to my opinion that you're blaming the victim here. The fact is that a person who has been consistently abusive to members of PMR showed up at one of their meetings and started taking notes. That would be enough to make a lot of people uncomfortable, for many reasons. It is not OK to call people weak because they aren't willing to face down an abuser.

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I hate it when people blame the victim!

I mean, look at the smoking ban, those darn smoker were right on telling those non-smokers to find another bar and.....oh wait....nm. =P

Then don't have an open meeting

Open meetings are open to well, anyone who walks in the door.  Nor can you show the actions of showing up and taking notes to put a report on Olyblog are abusive. 

Therefore I fail to see how there was even a victim, let alone abuse.

 

"si vis pacem, para bellum"

 

This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.  

forget it

We disagree, that's all.

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"Member of the public"

Exactly what do you mean by "member"?

The general population

It is/was my understanding that these meetings were open to all who cared to wander in.  If they are not, that is fine.  They are held on private property IIRC, and the property owner, their agent, or the people hosting the meeting have the right to exclude whomever they want.  

But if there is an open invite for people to come in, then they should be prepared and capable do dealing with the mere presence of someone they dislike, or ask that person to leave and change their admissions policy. 

 

"si vis pacem, para bellum"

 

This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.  

They let him stay

What are you complaining about? They let him stay. But apparently people are suspicious of his motives, BASED ON HIS PRIOR BEHAVIORS, not all of which you know about. Are you trying to tell people how to feel?

It would appear Rick...

That some do not want someone who has an opposite and just as fervent ideology to listen respectfully or to engage what so ever. C.

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

I don't draw that conclusion...

...from people voicing discomfort with his presence at the meeting. I don't see any reason to make this into more than it is. JB has a history, and people are going to respond to it. Let's hope that they keep talking.


> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract

Beware the terrible simplifiers.
Jacob Burckhardt

I hear the twilight zone theme right now... :-)

If the meetings are open to the public, then don't complain.  If they are limited to a select few or someone has to pass some sort of muster then complain.

 

"si vis pacem, para bellum"

 

 

This is a non political tag line and cannot be linked up through a twisted thought process to an obscure company making specialty tools.  

Great job Jeff.

I think you did a fantastic job reporting and I look forward to an 'op ed' column if and when you choose to write it. I find it interesting that they PMR has to take time to see if anyone feels "oppressed". I also find it fascinating that they received a donation of gas masks. I have never been to a meeting where that was brought up. I think since you posted the next meeting for March I may try to join you and come listen in to the agenda and discussion. It is a side of political activity that I am only somewhat aware of, outside of the blogs.

Good work Jeff.

C.

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

Tifosi1F1.blogspot.com

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell