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Submitted by DrewHendricks on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 10:11am.
Thursday, May 11th 2006, Olympia Washington
» On Monday, the Tacoma News Tribune mentioned (casually) that the first Stryker Brigade which went to Iraq would be going back by the end of May, through the Port of Olympia. Thursday morning, the Port of Olympia has five Coast Guard fast boats (These belong to the MSST unit from Seattle, unit number 91101) in the water, and 10 or 15 men on the quay doing "training." When is the next high tide? Which ship is heading through Nisqually Reach or the Tacoma Narrows as you read this? Which mode of transportation will the Stryker vehicles use - rail, road? Those vehicles have not yet arrived, and the Port's observation deck is unlocked (which is unusual for an actual loading operation). The troops on the quay might actually be on a training mission, to be rolled into a protective mission as the vehicles arrive. Who knows? Let's see what collaborative journalism can accomplish. By the way, the 833rd Transportation Battallion public affairs officer (Heidi) had no comment. And she still wonders which papers I write for. ("Who are you with?" "I'm alone, why?" "Who do you write for?" "I wrote for a bunch of papers, but I'm not on assignment, I'm myself." "The 833rd Transportation Battallion has no comment at this time.") Maybe your results will vary, if you can cite an actual newspaper for targeting by the DOD's TALON program: her number is 206-764-6503. The Port's payphone (at the observation deck) is 753-9794. Maybe someone will pick up and tell you what's going on.
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::Air raid sirens throughout
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 11:13am.Sound the alarm!
Why are you against the Port of Olympia allowing military shipments?
I have a general idea (tacit approval of the conflict in Iraq) but just wanted to confirm.
Some links:
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 11:33am.OMJP Stories on the Port's cooperation with Military uses
Essentially, the war in Iraq (and the subsequent occupation) are not legal, defensive war but offensive, and hence illegal, war. The kind of thing we hanged high ranking Nazis for in the late 1940's.
Best of luck with that...
Submitted by crackhole on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 12:59pm.Just so you know - the CG doesn't take things like this lightly, meaning they'll have their Port Security Units either on location or on standby, and you don't want to mess with them. They're not the orange and white CG - but by all means, please get yourself shot in the name of whatever your unclear and pusilanimous issue is.
I'm sure "Heidi" forwarded your questions to the higher ups, putting you on the NSA's list of peeps to watch. That was really smart.
Bravo!
Huh?
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 1:41pm."pusilanimous." Hmmm... Try two "L"s in that, it might work better... here it is: "weak and cowardly; frightened of taking risks"
Sorry, that would apply better to the man who hides behind a moniker to shoot attempted insults at someone who clearly and succinctly explained why he does not like the Port of Olympia (a local governmental entity) supporting the war in Iraq.
Oh, and if you want my "real" take on the issues, you might try listening to my radio show on Free Radio Olympia, where I also use my real name while I commit a class C felony, broadcasting without a license. So much for claiming I am cowardly.
I've been taking photos of the MSST teams which cover the Port of Olympia every time they come. They have not fired any of their automatic weapons at me yet, nor have they visited my abode, nor have the nice men in the clean white shirts hauled me off to Gitmo or Western State. So calm down, and re-read my Actual Reasons for Opposing the Port's use by the Military: THE WAR IS ILLEGAL SO WE SHOULD NOT BE HELPING IT CONTINUE.
Which part of that was "unclear" to you?
Decaf dude, decaf.
Submitted by crackhole on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 7:00pm.OK, you don't like the Port of Olympia helping conduct what you call an Illegal war but it's OK for you to commit a felony? Your logic is all messed up. Illegal is illegal, be it war or FCC violations, somewhere in there you drew a personal line that said one is OK and the other is not, which makes you a hypocrite no better than the ones conducting the illegal war.
As for remaining calm, you might want to try decaf and turn off the caps lock key...
Stupid Distractions
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 1:13pm.I break the Federal law on radio broadcasting because my First Amendment rights to use my airwaves are far more important to me than the statute which activated the FCC in the middle 1930's. It's not hypocritical to stand up for my own rights and yours.
I'm not interested in debating the war with you, either - so don't bother to post on my stories or I will lock them and you can spew at someone else.
Stupid is getting a bit low
Submitted by crackhole on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 3:17pm.I'm not debating the war with you - but if you feel the need to silence me, please do.
HUH?
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 3:40pm.How do you figure that? What the hell do you write to your ENEMIES, if this is how you treat your ALLIES?
As for not putting up with nasty tone and disrespectful namecalling, that is not silencing, honey - it is your right to go off and create your own page on this blog. This one is mine and you'll show me some manners.
(This was posted prior to my reading your call for a truce)
THE WAR IS ILLEGAL-------NOT!
Submitted by white feather on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 4:34pm.Lets read, shall we?
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 1:22pm.This Guardian Unlimited link tells how "In a startling break with the official White House and Downing Street lines, Mr Perle told an audience in London: "I think in this case international law stood in the way of doing the right thing."
So with the United Nations and Richard Perle agreeing that the war against Iraq was illegal, how exactly are you going to make the affirmative case that it was, in fact, legally justified? It's your turn. You got anything?
Yeah I have something
Submitted by white feather on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 1:35pm.WE AREN'T GOVERNED BY THE UN!!!!
If that's all you got then we are done!
United Nations, International Law, etc
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 3:46pm.If you're willing to ignore / throw out that entire body of law, then you're going to have an awfully hard time getting any of these terrorists extradicted from anywhere else they may be caught.
So as a purely futile gesture, why (in your opinion) did we bother trying and hanging those Nazis at the end of WWII? Was it just because we won?
FRO
Submitted by white feather on Thu, 05/11/2006 - 4:42pm.Assumptions
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 1:14pm.THE WAR IS ILLEGAL -- CORRECT
Submitted by DU Ordnance on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 7:07am.ROTFLMAO
Submitted by white feather on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 10:19am.DU Ordnance, since when do we need to be attacked to take military action against a country/local? But if you feel we need justification like that, anywhere terrorists live, can expect to get the same, and they were and are terrorists in Iraq prior to us going there. And if governments harbor terrorists, they can feel the pain too. If needed we can head off to Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, 3/4+ of the African countries, Indonesia, etc.
As far as the innocents that have been killed, no one ever said war was antiseptic.
I'm sure you anti-war types will go make yourselves heard yet again at the port. And because the law enforcement here is so milk toast you will probably get to do it with no consequences. But I will re-state what crackhole said. The groups of fighting men and women that are there to protect the scene will use force if needed and aren't afraid to shed YOUR blood if you choose to be less than peaceful. AND I SAY, GOOD FOR THEM! Protest all you want, but don't get stupid, cuz stupid WILL HURT!!
Like I said before, obviously the FCC thinks of FRO as a wart on Olympia's ass. Because if they wanted to take action against them, it would take all of about 30 minutes to locate them and arrest them and confiscate all their equipment.
I don't think you know what courage is....let's see you take on the ones protecting at the port for the cause you think is so righteous. If it is that important, will you really do something, are are you too scared?!
Inaction is just this
An Answer
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 1:25pm.Since we helped found the United Nations in the late 1940's and signed onto the UN Charter, which prohibits wars of agression (as opposed to wars of defense against another state which has invaded yours).
Everybody LOVES FRO!
Submitted by djmega on Sat, 05/13/2006 - 2:21pm.whadda you know about it? obviously, the FCC field ops in Kirkland love FRO! they probably listen all the time!
besides, sure they could find us pretty easily, they already have. but they need a judge to sign a warrant for arrest of the equipment. and they almost never arrest people.
Everybody but White Feather
Submitted by white feather on Sun, 05/14/2006 - 5:40am.Bwahahahahaha!
Submitted by crackhole on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 12:28pm.Please cite specific examples - otherwise your claim is baseless just speculation.
The Iraq war is clearly not legal as we were never attacked by Iraq, sorry.
Er. Dude. Based on your statement, half of WWII was illegal, I can't remember Germany attacking us. Speaking of WWII, it was the spinmeister hisself, Drew, who compared the current administration's war to Hitler and how we hanged them for their actions - well, I don't see anyone complaining about our lack of non-action in Sudan to stop the genocide there. Why is that? Oh, right - you need to complain about "your" port. Forget about genocide, your port is important, not the lives of people getting slaughtered daily.
So listen up jarheads- it's our port.
Uh. Yeah. who's "we"? The Peoples United Republic of Olympia? If it's your port, I agree - go take it back. Last I checked, it was everyone's port. Sorry to disappoint, but I was never in the Marines, don't have a helmet, though I did once and spent more time in wars you'll never know about in jungles facing oppressive governments and rebels than you could ever dream of.
If you don't like it, try living under an occupation like you've created in Iraq today.
Well, thank you very much for your ignorance and blindness. What exactly are you saying with that statement? Are you capable of an original thought or just complile what all of the anti-war people say? I've been on both sides and in the middle, meaning I get my facts from people who really know what they're talking about, not just rhetoric. I've actually seen first hand what it is like to live under those governments.
You want to piss and moan about a port? Are you kidding? I mean, if you're going to protest and have an effect, at least protest something that will work. A port? That's just laughable. Sure, sure, They're going to stop all shipments of miltary equipment because you and maybe 3 other people showed up and complained and cried around the peace tree. I'm sure Bush will just stop the war right then, apologize and step down from office.
You are cowards and your dishonor is a shame for all of us.
You have issues, man. And seeing as you really know nothing about me, or anyone here for that matter, fall into the category of Generic War Protester Without The Facts. I never said I agreed with the war, was for it and continually attempt to divert you to a more useful venue of protest. Read posts before spewing - it helps.
This concludes my input on the legality of The War, beacause it seems to be pretty much a useless discussion. However, if you and your 3 cohorts, 2 of which will bail at the last minute, decide to hold a protest at the Port, I wish you the best of luck.
War debates get so old...
Grief gets old, too
Submitted by rainy gray on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 1:05pm.I couldn't agree more
Submitted by crackhole on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 1:20pm.My simple point is this: If you're going to protest the war, which I am all for, make it count.
Just simply saying it's illegal isn't going to stop it.
Put your own money where your mouth is...
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 1:30pm.What are YOU going to do to stop this war, or are you going to dish out advice and take none of your own?
we're on the same side
Submitted by crackhole on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 3:33pm.As for my involvement, I do it through education of inner city youth and help them have a voice. Some of the actions taken can't be voiced, but you could figure it out.
So - I hereby wave the white flag, apologize for intruding on your posts and in belief that we see more eye-to-eye that I originally thought, extend a hand of peace. Accepted?
If you want to have pro active off air discussions, email me @ idiot@crackhole.com
There is a reason I use a moniker and not my real name...
Short and sweet
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 3:56pm.Yes.
I use my real name for my political work because the most important thing about political ethics for me is honesty. (If I can't tell you who I am, why the heck should you listen to a word I say?) I therefore tend to have a jaundiced and intolerant attitude toward those who hide and snipe. But I accept that some of my friends go through life named "Squirrel" for reasons similar to your own. I, on the other hand, have no such aspirations for longevity. I've already died twice - it just doesn't scare me like it used to...
Back to the facts at hand...
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Fri, 05/12/2006 - 1:06pm.As far as we know, the Stryker Brigade will be going out through the Port of Olympia by the end of May, so stay tuned.
Tides
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 10:57am.The three days I think are most likely for a return of a large ship to Olympia's Marine Terminal are Thursday, May 25, Friday, May 26, and Saturday, May 27. The high tides are approximately equal height twice per day during this period, lending more flexibility to anyone navigating the inlet. High tides during this period are around 14-15 feet twice per day. The tides just before this are only that high very early in the morning (2-3AM) which makes the turning basin operation very dangerous, since it is dark out at that time. But if they did slip in before Thursday the 25th, they would have better tides for leaving with a full ship once they got loaded. Stay alert, and watch the Port!
Protest the Government not us.
Submitted by DoctorClaw on Tue, 05/23/2006 - 11:16pm.