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Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 6:42pm.
11:50PM UPDATE: Things have gotten pretty ugly downtown. I've heard reports of police vehicles attacked with rocks, and windows of police cars being broken. This makes me very sad. It didn't need to get this out of hand. Violence begets violence. The scene was peaceful until the police made it violent. I can only assume that they got what they wanted. Our downtown was turned into a war zone by those tasked to keep the peace.
» I can't wait to hear the responses to this. This is my last update of the night, I'm going to bed.
11:29 UPDATE: Primary source confirmed concussion grenades and lots of gas, he then had to get off the phone because the riot police were advancing again. He did report that the crowd was still at about 200.
11:20 UPDATE: A secondary source just checked in and reported that the police indeed did move in, tonight with gas and rubber bullets. The source witnessed one woman shot in face with a rubber bullet. A convoy of trucks came through where the secondary blockade was and the police managed to scatter the people enough to get the trucks out. The people from the primary blockade rushed over to attempt to block the convoy when the police attacked with gas and rubber bullets. Also reported that at least 10 people were severely affected by gas.
11:15 UPDATE: I haven't heard back from my contact yet, I'm a little worried. I stepped outside and heard lot's of sirens from that area, also a loud bang, maybe concussion grenade. I also heard other loud noises, maybe a train.
10:48PM UPDATE: The situation is still calm. The scene looks like this: There is a line of cops in front of the port gates. Then the group of women who were seated on the ground. They are being arrested one by one and taken to police vans. There is another line of cops in front of them keeping the big crowd back. The main blockade is still holding and another group has split off to block the road that goes around the port down to Anthony's Hearthfire in case the military tries to use that road. My source mentioned nothing about the counter protesters, they are quiet now. 10:54 UPDATE UPDATE: All of the women have been put on the bus and the riot police are now masking up. The main crowd has formed a seated blockade in the street, and are basically watching the police prepare to gas them. Again, more when I know it.
10:05PM UPDATE: No Stryker vehicle movement yet. Police did not rush into the crowd. YAY! They are arresting people one by one in a very orderly fashion. About 15 arrests so far. AND, the crowd of demonstrators is at about 200 people now. When I know more, so do you.
9:35 UPDATE: Police have issued a final order to disperse. 100+ anti-war demonstrators are seated on the ground in defiance of the Port Of Olympia being used in support of the Iraq War. 40 or so riot police are most likely moments away from descending upon the crowd.
9:15PM UPDATE: I'm using this thread as it on the front page already. The police have given a dispersal order. From my experience that means the police will wait a few minutes, and if the demonstrators don't leave, they will attack. Remember that this is a group of people sitting on the ground, probably chanting or singing, but primarily being non-violent; and the police will most likely soon rush them with gas, rubber bullets and batons.
A soldier from the Stryker Brigade just walked out of the port, up to the protesters, shook their hands and said, "Thank You for doing this. Fuck this shit. I'm not going to kill anybody else." He then joined the protesters and is talking with the Veterans For Peace crowd right now. Also, the pro-troops crowd is larger than it has been tonight and is, according to my source, "Looking for a fight". One has been arrested already for ripping signs away from protesters and attempting to tear them up. More to come when I get it.
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no way
Submitted by enpen on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 6:53pm.Also, the pro-troops crowd is larger than it has been tonight and is, according to my source, "Looking for a fight". One has been arrested already for ripping signs away from protesters and attempting to tear them up.
As OlyBlog is extremely moderate (usually) compared to the vitriol found in the Olympian's comments, and considering what has been said here over the past few days...I can't say I'm surprised. Sad, but not surprised.
The story about the Stryker soldier, if it holds up to be true, is pretty awesome.
Interesting...
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 6:53pm.Is this funny?
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 6:56pm.Tell me this is your idea of a joke.
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
I'm not sure I get your
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 6:59pm.And I, for one, aren't trying to be funny.
Please give me a second grace. Please give me a second face. I've fallen far down, the first time around, now I just sit on the ground in your way.
Nick Drake
As I said...
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 7:00pm.My home on puget...
Submitted by paisleyboxers on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 12:02am.Friendblog: None are known to exist since bloggers don't have friends.
Makes my night
Submitted by Sarah on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 7:08pm.I'd like to see video of the
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 7:22pm.I'd like to see video of the Soldier doing this, because I almost refuse to believe this happened. Just leaving his squad (or platoon; however many people are there) to join the people protesting? No way.
And then you have to consider he was leaving his post to do so.
I'm sorry I can't give you
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 7:35pm.If you're willing to put
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 7:41pm.If you're willing to put that much into it I can, also.
But you're former military. Can you imagine actually leaving your squad while you're carrying out an official duty to join a protest? I don't care if the protest was about the sky being blue and your duty was a detail of scrubbing the shitter.
How well do you think that would go over with your buddies, nevermind your NCOIC or OIC (and First Sergeant and Company Commander and on up the chain)?
Hey
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 7:46pm.I'm Not Surprised
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 8:27pm.I know several on the blog are currently in the military or veterans of military service and I could see the story about the soldier holding up. For all we know his EAOS is near and he's ready to walk. We also don't know anything about his status within the Army. I remember my first days in the deck department on an aircraft carrier and recall several sailors continually getting crappy duty. Fire watch was another area where underperformers were sent. I would bet the duty at the port isn't much better, if not worse.
And finally, did we honestly believe Watada would be alone? The Army is huge - we can't expect all soldiers to honor their duty with integrity.
I find it improbable
Submitted by Debmonstrative on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 8:35pm.I believe it when...
Submitted by wilson on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 8:26pm.If I cannot imagine it
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 8:33pm.Hmmm
Submitted by wilson on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 8:52pm.NEW UPDATE
Submitted by amnesiac on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:12pm.just posting to promote the
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:20pm.Is it not getting enough
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:21pm.just wanted people to see
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:24pm.See the update....
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:26pm.no
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:27pm.running
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:28pm.Six, why don't you go down to the Port and
Submitted by Debmonstrative on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:45pm.I'm sure
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:40pm.D'oh
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:35pm.Police "attacking"
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:42pm.The Police are acting in defense of the city and of the trucks being blocked. The protesters blocking the shipments are engaging in an attack against the trucks and truckers. In essence the protesters are engaging in an assault upon the public order (they are breaching the peace), and the cops are charged with defending that peace. You cannot fault self defense.
Six
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:44pm.Let the games begin...
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:45pm.Information about AWOL, Desertion Here:
Submitted by Tenzing on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:45pm.Aiding in desertion is a crime...
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:49pm.Aiding and Abetting
Submitted by Tenzing on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:11pm.How am I responsible...
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:21pm.So how am I "aiding and abetting" this "illegal war" and are you and all your friends gonna come put me under some false "citizens arrest"? Try that one and see how far you get. Heck, if you want to do it, I'll set up a meeting place, and have a cop standing by to take custody.
Put your money where your mouth is. If I am aiding and abetting the horrible crimes you state, then perform a citizen's arrest.
No threats intended
Submitted by Tenzing on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:18pm.This is a soveriegn nation...
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:29pm.Whatever Iraq is, and I do not care to speculate, the buck stops where our borders begin. I will never support "international law" flouting domestic law. Ever.
Just to be clear about the "law"
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 9:37am.The Constitution
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 9:59am.Like I said, look it up
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 10:49am.Tenzing, help me
Submitted by wilson on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:56pm.Strange,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:58pm.Don't take it the wrong way
Submitted by wilson on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:02pm.1st platoon, C Company 787th
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:04pm.1st platoon, C Company 787th MPBN, Ft. McClellan AL
hm
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:07pm.I couldn't find a list of members on the website.
I know many are veterans. I
Submitted by wilson on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:10pm.VFP
Submitted by Tenzing on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:25pm.It looks like..
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:00pm.I'm listening to Free Radio
Submitted by Axcordion on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:16pm.radio free olympia
Submitted by Tenzing on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:55pm.Uh...
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 12:29am.Now...
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 12:44am.Reporting many at the port
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 12:47am.I think that's funny, because it was probably just your normal "Alpha Tango Bravo"-type stuff. I got a laugh when O.J. Simpson's Las Vegas raid was described as "militaristic." As if that means there's military training involved.
Any 13-year old with the latest Tom Clancy game has a basic idea of "military speech."
Lima Oscar Lima :-)
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 9:32am.Mercy Sakes
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 9:36am.Please give me a second grace. Please give me a second face. I've fallen far down, the first time around, now I just sit on the ground in your way.
Nick Drake
Not the Alphabet
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 9:44am.He made no mention of using the phonetic alphabet. The phrases equate to battlefield talk. "Hold the line" - "Retreat" - "I'm hit" were a few examples. The caller was actually denouncing this mentality and was tired of the machoism being displayed by some of the protestors. Sorry, I didn't catch his name but he was all fired up!
I could see both sides using
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 9:47am.Please give me a second grace. Please give me a second face. I've fallen far down, the first time around, now I just sit on the ground in your way.
Nick Drake
nm
Submitted by paisleyboxers on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 1:22am.Breaking out windows? This
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 12:02am.Breaking out windows? This is not going to go over well.
and a dumpster was thrown into a stryker vehicle's path..
Submitted by briotron on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 1:00am.Nonviolent protest?
Submitted by Tangpo on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 1:50am.Tonight OlyPMR has rewritten Gandhi's rules for civil disobedience.
1. The resister will harbor no anger OlyPMR- The resister will be irrationally pissed off at anyone who disagrees with him.
2. He will suffer the anger of the opponent. OlyPMR- He will never let any comment or provocation go unanswered without a retort or greater provocation.
3. In so doing he will put up with assaults from the opponent, never retaliate; but he will not submit, out of fear of punishment or the like, to any order given in anger. OlyPMR- In doing so he will never put up with assaults from the opponent and will always retaliate but NEVER in a way that requires physical courage or emotional maturity. Such retaliation should preferably be against persons or property which have nothing to do with the resistor or opponent.
4. When any person in authority seeks to arrest a civil resister, he will voluntarily submit to the arrest, and he will not resist the attachment or removal of his own property, if any, when it is sought to be confiscated by authorities. OlyPMR- When a person in authority gives a a resister a lawful order he will ignore the order. He will then be surprised and irrationally angry when the person in authority actually exercises said authority and arrests the resister.
5. If a civil resister has any property in his possession as a trustee, he will refuse to surrender it, even though in defending it he might lose his life. He will, however, never retaliate. OlyPMR- (The analogy starts to break down a bit but...) The resister will gain revenge against his opponent by attacking the property and freedom of movement of average citizens, businesses and government officials who have nothing to do with the issue at hand. Such attacks will surely bring them to our point of view.
6. Non-retaliation excludes swearing and cursing. OlyPMR- Swearing and cursing are the preferred method of communication with those who disagree with us
7. Therefore a civil resister will never insult his opponent, and therefore also not take part in many of the newly coined cries which are contrary to the spirit of ahimsa (nonviolence). OlyPMR- A resister should insult his opponent whenever possible. We define "nonviolence" like George Bush defines "torture", so all our actions are nonviolent...because we say so. .
8. A civil resister will not salute the Union Jack, nor will he insult it or officials, English or Indian. OlyPMR- US flags, if carried at all MUST be carried upside down or with a gigantic peace symbol in place of stars. Such representations of the Nation's most sacred symbol will demonstrate how much we really really support the troops.
9. In the course of the struggle if anyone insults an official or commits an assault upon him, a civil resister will protect such official or officials from the insult or attack even at the risk of his life. OlyPMR- We will take actions which the vast majority of our community (even those who agree with our motives) believe to be disrespectful and insulting. We will secretly believe most in the community don't have the balls or intelligence to come to our side. Though we will give lip-service to the concept of "honest and open" debate, we have no interest in listening to anyone else's point of view.
To say "it was peaceful
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 6:49am.Maybe I should refer to the police as "those meddling kids"?
That arrested woman from the Olympian's article, who was released early due to a heart condition, had it right when she referred to her fellow criminals as "little girls"
Please give me a second grace. Please give me a second face. I've fallen far down, the first time around, now I just sit on the ground in your way.
Nick Drake
Merwyn ~ Excellent!
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 7:58am.To say "it was peaceful until the police escalated it" is like a rapist saying "I was getting mine until the police killed the mood."
You just summed it all up in one well stated sentence for me! Thank you!
"Do not mistake for conspiracy and intrigue what can best be explained by stupidity and incompetence." - Unknown
Well said
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 9:34am.What is the goal again?
Submitted by briotron on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 11:17am.I am a bit confused here. But trying to be open minded. The military cargo and strykers are coming BACK to Ft Lewis. Not going out. Don't we want our troops and war machines/equipment to come back home? Or does OPMR ideally want to keep it all stalled up at the port? For how long? The civil disobedience actions seem to be aiming to keep all this equipment at the port behind the gates.
I guess I haven't read enough OPMR statements or something, their publications/flyers aren't that widely available in the local area unless you're totally in the know or something. So I'm guessing. I'm guessing they want to keep backing up all this gear until it pressures the Port of Olympia to stop taking shipments. Then other ports will have to take them. Then let me guess-- one by one all these other ports will want to stop taking in this equipment? Until it's all just hanging out on ships in the ocean? For how long? Should it all stay in Iraq instead then?
Are the convoys and the cargo targeted simply because it's been used in Iraq, whether or not it is being sent into battle? Ft Lewis if anything is the main source of all outgoing Ft Lewis troops and military support.
If the "civil" disobedience were against outgoing military support then I think I'd feel much more enthusiastic about the demonstrating and civil disobedience and chaos. The only way I participated last night was by picking up a garbage can, and its contents, spilled down the street from me. Which a radical resister radically dumped on the edge of the fucking street (not even to obstruct anything) for un-radical me to be reasonably disgruntled about. Even I won't be won over with the "symbol" of a trash can dumped on the ground. As I was picking it up with a friend and putting the trash back in a crazy woman dozens of feet from me was yelling LEAVE IT DOWN!! LEAVE IT DOWN!! I mean, give me a BREAK
But I digress, this isn't a dumped garbage can. Olympians who have been living here for decades, not just a couple years (ahem) are going to be fucking pissed about all last night's chaos today but I guess they "just don't get it" right? They don't get the news of cop cars attacked (well this one is debatable), A US Bank's windows smashed, trash all over streets, cops having rocks thrown at them, concrete poured on train tracks (um, CAN that derail a train? "hey mr. train engineer, better not take this train anywhere because if you do you're fucked!" fucking A). If you blow off average Olympians for not getting it then my friends, you have strayed so far from the mainstream that you really don't care about what they think or whether or not you're winning them over. Which means it doesn't fly as well when you chant "our" port, "our" streets etc. I mean look, I'm out there, I think 9/11 was an inside job and that martial law could be coming (uh, ya might want to tip them off that you're a "threat") but I'm not going to join a fucking riot in this town because military cargo is coming BACK to the states
Good points. I don't
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 11:24am.If you'll forgive me being a nanny our f-bomb permissions are rationed out. You might be able to get some black market f-bomb stamps but I've already said too much.
Please give me a second grace. Please give me a second face. I've fallen far down, the first time around, now I just sit on the ground in your way.
Nick Drake
hmm I did use f-bomb a lot.
Submitted by briotron on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 1:17pm.I believe the goal is to discourage the use of
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 11:43am.ah
Submitted by briotron on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 1:16pm.whatever y'all do beware of big brother!