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Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 8:24pm.
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What a great read, thanks!
Submitted by Sarah on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 9:42pm.The "chicken hawk" term alway
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 11:01pm.The "chicken hawk" term always bothered me because it's so vague.
Could someone offer up a definition?
Dick Cheney would be a prime
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 8:51am.So you have to "promote and s
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 9:37am.I mean, the issue of skipping out on Vietnam can't be the only reason. That's pretty much a blemish on the entire generation.
I prefer the term war hawk...
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 3:42pm.The Republican Guard: Neo-Con Style
Would you say President Clint
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 4:20pm.sure
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 6:26pm.You don't sound as eager to u
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 7:17pm.As I said, skipping out on military service during the Vietnam era was hardly restricted to one political party.
President Clinton, while I wo
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 7:56pm.He also said, "After the chao
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 8:00pm.He continues to justify the war in Iraq by using September 11th imagery, when it has been proven time and time again that neither the Iraq government or people were in any way responsible for what happened on September 11th.
Would you recommend the uniformed services to a youth in this community?
I would recommend the uniform
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 9:14pm.I think it's important that youth do something to see how the rest of the world is living. It doesn't necessarily have to be the military but it should be something where you're asked to give an incredible amount of your time and physical and mental being while receiving little (at least in comparison to other opportunities) in compensation.
The current generation, of which I am a part of, has been called the Entitlement Generation because many in it believe we are entitled to a 40-hour workweek, Monday through Friday, making $80,000 a year.
This is absolutely ridiculous. Those who are either in college or who have graduated from college are under the biggest misconception regarding fantasy and reality. Most are under the impression that they will enjoy the same creature comforts their parents currently possess but do it in half the time (with half the work involved).It's not Vietnam specifically
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 10:57am.I like this piece because it highlights a common trend that I've seen. That is, people support the war to the extent of calling dissenters unpatriotic, but, like the people Nusbaumer talked to, would never even think of going over there. Now, I'm not saying that every war supporter should either shut up or fight, but people do tend carry the attitude that Nusbaumer, and I, and many others that I've talked to, have run into.
I especially appreciate this
Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 11:41am.I especially appreciate this quote from the article:
"Patriotism as genuine love of country is fine, good, it can motivate us to do good things, but patriotism divorced from action, patriotism as instrument to harm others -- never their family, never their interests, never their body, always others. That is not patriotism."Do you have to advocate confl
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 11:49am.After all, it wasn't too long ago that President Clinton was ordering troops into conflicted regions and he, a member of the same generation as President Bush, skipped out on Vietnam, also.
For the record, I don't think it should be mandatory or even important for a CIC to have been in combat, even if they're asking others to do so. Would it be a positive? Of course. I certainly don't think it's the most important quality, though.
As for what Sarah said, I agree. This can be easily translated into a lot of people, though. For instance, how many people in Olympia advocate more services for the homeless and low-income? Yet when push comes to shove, they donate almost zero of their own personal time at an organization such as the Salvation Army, Bread & Roses, Boys & Girls Club, et cetera.
I'm not about to turn this in
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 01/20/2006 - 12:34pm.My dispute with Pres. Bush is that he didn't serve AND he's surrounded by people who didn't serve. He doesn't listen to his military advisors, he sticks to his gameplan, which I disagree with. This is off topic and I don't want to turn this into a Pres. Bush conversation.
I think there is something to be said for "spreading the word". I work at B&R, and I love it when people I don't know talk about what B&R is doing (especially if it's positive). I have to keep in mind that people have lives and in this day and age spare time is rare. People work hard and work a lot. Not everyone can volunteer time. That's why I think if someone wants to support us, writing a check or spreading the word is enough. The payoff is the same in the end.
I don't think this is the same conversation, however. I think it's apples and oranges. Frankly, in one case, innocent people die (including our soldiers who are forced into situations where they have no body armor and are not permitted to buy it for themselves), and in the other, people are getting their basic needs met.