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Submitted by Sarah on Thu, 01/26/2006 - 2:40pm.

At least I think he does. I'm skimming through an active white supremacist discussion board that includes info and conversation about the Oly rally. A member states that he was one of the public members on display and that he wore black jeans and held a WPWW (White Power World Wide) flag.

One man was indeed dressed in such a manner with such a flag, and was photographed, so we can probably put a forum nickname to a face. His other posts seem to state that he lives and works in Olympia.

Good reminder that there are a wide variety of people, believing and doing a wide variety of things, everywhere.

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lynch mob time.We need to MUR

Submitted by will_is_ok on Thu, 01/26/2006 - 10:35pm.

lynch mob time.We need to MURDER all them nazis

I'm beginning to think this i

Submitted by The Fire Inside on Thu, 01/26/2006 - 10:38pm.

I'm beginning to think this is starting to resemble colonial New England.

I hope you're being facetious

Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 12:42am.

I hope you're being facetious, will.

Sorting out who was public

Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 11:58am.

Sorting out who was public as a white supremacist at the rally has -nothing- whatsoever to do with calling for a lynch mob.

Finding out that someone you know locally is a white supremacist could also inspire a reaction of deciding to invite the guy out for a beer and conversation.

When someone states publically and repeatedly that I and most of our community needs to die, I figure it is a-ok to find out more about them.

It is also a possibility that

Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 1:46pm.

It is also a possibility that it could lead to violence against him, and his family, if he has one.

Several of us have the abilit

Submitted by emmettoconnell on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 6:56pm.

Several of us have the ability to moderate comments, I think now is a good time to talk about when we should do that.

Sounds good, sent you a msg.

Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 7:11pm.

Sounds good, sent you a msg.

Isn't it wonderful that we li

Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 01/26/2006 - 11:35pm.

Isn't it wonderful that we live in a community diverse enough that even a Nazi feels comfortable living here?

Evidently we're going to star

Submitted by The Fire Inside on Thu, 01/26/2006 - 11:53pm.

Evidently we're going to start hunting them down.

I myself am not hunting anyon

Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 12:03pm.

I myself am not hunting anyone down.

The information I found was all public.

I wonder why negative motivations are being assumed in others so quickly.

My commentary was directed mo

Submitted by The Fire Inside on Sat, 01/28/2006 - 2:30am.

My commentary was directed more at Will.

If things like addresses start popping up, though...

No addresses.

Submitted by Sarah on Sat, 01/28/2006 - 8:27am.

No addresses.

This is good.

Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 01/28/2006 - 12:45am.

This is good.

Well, at least we have the op

Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 12:41am.

Well, at least we have the opportunity to show the Nazi's that Hate and Violence are not the only means to solve conflict.

We haven't shown them that ye

Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 11:25am.

We haven't shown them that yet. Up until now we've done nothing but help them spread their message of hate. They won. They won because we hated them. They came to town to spread hate and it worked. The protestors first reaction was to hate, and Peter Bohmer said that there wasn't much time to plan for it, as if that is a reasonable excuse for his actions at the rally. Bohmer's actions were a violent and angry reaction to hate. If our first reaction to Nazis' is to hate them, what does that say about us? How can we preach tolerance and diversity on one hand and on the other act hatefully toward a group of people? We can show the Nazis' that their ideas have no place in Olympia by living in love of one another, and by living as an example.

I'm uncomfortable with the

Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 11:51am.

I'm uncomfortable with the generalizations people are making about the rally. I know that folks are going to tend to focus most on what was dramatic.

But.

I'm part of that "we". I did not hate and I did not spread any messages of hate. My first reaction wasn't to hate.

The woman I stood with in front of the Risen Faith church was not standing there in hate.

Many of the people I walked around town with, including in the park, were not about hate.

I view life as not an either - or proposition. Life is messy that way, which is good and bad and even indifferent. Events and motivations can be nuanced and complex.

I am hoping someone hears me. I'm grateful to Sophie for hearing me, amongst others.

This all reminds me also to brush up my own listening skills. If I don't understand something, rather than assume what I think the person's motivation is, would be better for me to actually ask them.

I do apologize for making you

Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 1:56pm.

I do apologize for making you feel like I was including you in my comments. I realize, of course, that not everyone present was a party to what I see as violence and intolerance. I have a problem with the actions of Peter Bohmer because he is someone I consider to have an important "leadership" role in this community. He is Evergreen faculty and has the ears of many young students. He also is very active in OMJP, a respected community group. I hope his actions were an anomoly; I hope that that is not the example he hopes to set for future generations of advocates and activists.

Thanks for clarifying, apprec

Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 2:13pm.

Thanks for clarifying, appreciated.

Hopefully Peter eventually can join in on OlyBlog discussions or we can have other opportunities to talk with him. Naturally I cannot speak for him and I know I'm not being asked to either.

The whole issue of what the responsibilities are of public figures, including teachers, is interesting, especially in terms of their non-teaching activities.

Whether Mr Bohmer likes it or

Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 01/28/2006 - 12:00pm.

Whether Mr Bohmer likes it or not, he is a public figure. With that comes responsibility. People look up to him, young impressionable people, not so young impressionable people, etc. A friend told me what was said to Peter by a Nazi right before he chased them and jumped on their car. It was something to the effect of: "We've got an oven for you, Jew Boy!"

Now, this is an awful thing to say, and to hear said, I don't deny that. It would prompt a similar reaction by many people. My point is that in his role, Mr Bohmer should not have reacted the way he did. People were looking to him as an example, and for leadership. I'd like to hear his take on it, and for him to be able to answer my criticisms. From what I know, he's a reasonable person. We had a discussion group that he sat in on at the Bread & Roses house, and it was great to hear what he had to say about national politics/economy and how that effects local non-profits.

I don't want to give the impression that I'm attacking Mr. Bohmer personally, it's his actions on a certain day that I've taken issue with, not him.

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