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Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 09/07/2005 - 2:17pm.
Sorry for the non-local news, but this is important to me.

–Rob

–We are in Jefferson Parish, just outside of New Orleans. At the National Guard checkpoint, they are under orders to turn away all media. All of the reporters are turning they're TV trucks around. Things are so bad, Bush is now censoring all reporting from NOLA. The First Amendment sank with the city.–

I found this on DailyKos

Which came from here

Which gives me a Forbidden message, are you guys able to access it?

This is covered by the media here

To me, this is an embarassment. It's not enough that the government won't allow the media to talk about what's really going on in Iraq, but now this. All I can say is that I am outraged. This is happening on our own soil. Americans are dying because of the Bush Adminstration's "Inarguable Failure", as Jon Stewart so eloquently stated on The Daily Show last night. To those who would point the finger elsewhere Stewart offered, "No. Shut up". From what these folks are saying, it sounds like media suppression. Authorities don't want the people, you and I, to see what they caused. Most notably, the thousands and thousands of deaths that were caused by the woefully inadequate and delayed response and the budget cuts made over the years, by both Bush adminstrations, to money that would have gone towards prevention of a catastrophy of this magnitude.

I was given great hope by the media's reaction to Bush's nonreaction to Katrina, and they deserve praise for their return to pull-no-punches journalism. I just hope that journalists will find the guts to either sneak past the checkpoints and risk prosecution or make enough noise about this that authorities have no choice but to let them in.

I'm interested in other peoples reactions to this.

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It's pretty early to blame th

It's pretty early to blame this only on the Bush administration. I'm certainly not going to absolve the federal government of responsibility but the problem with the levees (rated only for a Cat 3) has been known for decades. The way government is set-up, though, money is misappropriated. Only a few years ago the Corps of Engineers asked for $120M/US to bolster the levees but received roughly $40M/US, less than half of what they asked for. During the same period a bridge in Alaska, costing roughly $200M/US, was built. Do you think it came down to which was more important? No. It came down to which Congressional member held the most sway. For the record, just to keep with accurate reporting rather than a hatred for the Bush administration, it's FEMA which has barred reporters from taking photographs of the dead in New Orleans. Don't take this message to mean I agree with the policy, either.
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You're absolutely right about

You're absolutely right about the politics of funding.

Also, the problem with the levees HAS been known for decades, and funding has been cut for decades because it was considered pork.

I spent the last week glued to my computer, with cnn on in the background. There wasn't much time that I was away from a news source. I was trying to get every little morsel of info out there. I think I got most of it. What I saw, was people suffering for a number of days, with no help. No help even in sight. No one did anything for days. I don't blame god or racism for this at all. I blame unpreparedness. I can't imagine, had the local authorities had thousands of people to help, and millions of dollars in supplies, that this would have happened. The federal government has the resources. They didn't use them. Pres. Clinton has stated this on Larry King, calling for an independent investigation.

If it was democrats in power I'd be just as outraged.

Who gives those kinds of orders? I don't think the order to turn away the media or block photographs came from FEMA, I think it must have come from higher up than that. Those just aren't the kinds of things that are decided on that level.

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I'm curious what local and st

I'm curious what local and state authorities have been doing all of this time? If they were so worried about the levees and their potential to fail in a Cat. 4 or Cat. 5, I am sure that at some point in time, through temporary tax increases, bonds, etc. the necessary work could have been accomplished. It's just too early to start pointing the finger. I think what we are going to find, though, is that much of the trouble (the levees, response, and everything inbetween) could have been avoided were it not for a bloated bureaucracy.
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I think you may be right abou

I think you may be right about that in a lot of ways. But nothing you say could change my mind about this: people suffered needlessly. Despite a lack of preparation, when the hurricane hit, it was bad. The local infrastructure was wiped out. What could they have done at the time? The feds had the resources to be there the next day, but they weren't. Explain this to me.
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The local infrastructure was

The local infrastructure was wiped out in New Orleans, not the state of Louisiana. Of course, this is after the hurricane. Prior to the hurricane there were evacuation orders. If the mayor of New Orleans and even the governor of Louisiana were so concerned with the well-being of the citizens staying behind, shouldn't they have deployed resources before the hurricane made landfall? For days prior various weather services repeatedly said, "This is a Category 5 hurricane with the very real possibility of hitting New Orleans." Even New Orleans' own planning for a hurricane states that citizens who stay behind will be left on their own, without government resources. I'm more concerned with your last statement, "the feds [having] the resources to be there the next day." I am equally troubled by this not because I think the federal government should have been in New Orleans the next day but because of the inability. I cannot believe (and hope it's not true) that the federal government cannot move resources and personnel within a 24-hour (or even 36-hour) window. As far as what occurred after the hurricane (looting, rapes, assaults, etc.), you're going to see a lot of politicians try to pass the ball. Some are going to say it was the job of President Bush to send more personnel to the region. Others may point out that in neighboring Mississippi the governor declared marial law immediately following the hurricane while the governor of Louisiana, for one reason or another, did not do the same until the situation had deteriorated. Like I said, I don't necessarily agree with the federal response but I don't think the federal government is the only portion of government to blame for how Hurricane Katrina unfolded.
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I think we're arguing in the

I think we're arguing in the same direction and just using different points. I believe the entire response after the hurricane was inadequate, I especially believe the feds could have and should have done more. I think the level of preparation for a hurricane of this size was inadequate, to me that's where the locals dropped it. They should have systems in place. I will note however that New Orleans in particular is an extremely poor town. They throw yearly rent parties (Mardi Gras) that are one of their only sources of income. I don't think any of the states in the deep south have the kind of money to put into major hurricane relief or preparation programs. In my opinion, this places the burden squarely on federal shoulders.
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The part about the declaratio

The part about the declaration of a state of emergency is being said a lot. It's not true. Not true at all. Check this out. The date is Monday, August 26th. This was before the hurricane hit.

As far as rapes and lootings and hordes of gangs with guns. I've heard MANY interviews with people who were or are actually there, and they deny it. They say there is some of that going on, but not to the extent to which some would lead, or like, us to believe.

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If I read the declaration cor

If I read the declaration correctly it was a state of emergency, not martial law. I would have to research if there is a difference but, simply going by my basic understanding, I think a declaration of emergency and a declaration of martial law are separate. In the next few weeks and months we'll know what took place inside of New Orleans once there was an absence of government. I was watching "NewsHour" tonight on PBS but couldn't really gain a firm grasp as to how bad the situation was, since the footage took place once the National Guard and police agencies across the country had swarmed the city. Right now I can simply go by published accounts as to the "rapes and lootings and hordes of gangs with guns." One thought, separate from the conversation, is how the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina is the posterchild for the Second Amendment. As some have pointed out, those looting firearms were more than likely doing so to protect themselves. If you were not already exercising your Second Amendment right prior to Hurricane Katrina (again, according to published reports) you not only had the vicious side of nature to deal with but also the vicious side of mankind.
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Here's the wikipedia for Mart

Here's the wikipedia for Martial Law

Here's the wikipedia for state of emergency

Wiki says of 'state of emergency' – Such declarations usually come during a time of natural disaster, during periods of civil unrest, or following a declaration of war (therefore, in democratic countries many call this martial law, most with non critical intent) –

This leads to me to believe that there is no difference.

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From the Wikipedia article on

From the Wikipedia article on martial law: "Contrary to many media reports, martial law has not been declared in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, because no such term exists in Louisiana state law. Rather, a state of emergency has been declared, which does give some powers similar to that of martial law. On the evening of August 31, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin did declare 'martial law' (in name at least) in the city and said that 'officers don't have to worry about civil rights and Miranda rights in stopping the looters.' Another common rule during riots and disasters is a curfew from sunset until sunrise."
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The NRA should jump all over

The NRA should jump all over this!
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Everyone should be jumping on

Everyone should be jumping on this. The federal response to this disaster was inadequate at best - and possibly criminal.
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From Slate: "In practice, ho

From Slate:

"In practice, however, martial law has been all but barred since the late 19th century. During the Civil War, President Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and set up military courts in several states in the South and Midwest. Many at the time felt that Lincoln had superseded his authority, and in 1878 Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids the military from performing civilian law enforcement without congressional approval."

What I get from this is that it is unfair to lay blame on the governor for not declaring martial law when, A.) it does not exist in Louisiana law, and B.) because it was, basically, outlawed in the US 127 years ago.

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A governor could still, in th

A governor could still, in theory, simply disregard the court. Lord knows Lincoln did it all throughout the Civil War.
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A lot of things can be done i

A lot of things can be done in theory, that doesn't make it realistic. And it doesn't mean that it should be done. State's don't/can't override federal law. If that was possible we wouldn't be 'United' anymore. This is part of our system of checks and balances. It's kind of important.
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Of course, that's going to de

Of course, that's going to depend on whether you believe the federal government is the end-all, be-all or whether the United States is a collection of independent bodies working together. Then again, that discussion was already settled through force. EDIT: A letter to the editor prompted me to point out that the City of Olympia recently took it upon itself to override the federal government regarding the transportation of nuclear materials. I guess that shouldn't be permissible, eh?
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The reason I believe that mos

The reason I believe that most of the blame should be placed on the feds is because I believe they were derelict in their responsibility to a state in need. I don't think the fed gov is the end-all, be-all; but I do believe that in the end they should be the catch-all. If a state has a great need, or is in danger, such as the gulf coast states were, and still are with two more hurricanes off the coast of Florida, then I believe it is the fed gov's responsibilty to assist in prevention and recovery. If you read the Nat. Geo. article I posted, you'll see how environmental policy and "safety" measures (levees and canals) over the years actually put New Orleans in more danger than if they were never used. This is the part of the whole thing that is the most frustrating, experts have always known this, and have been saying it for years. Leaders have chosen easy money over sustainability at every turn.
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In response to the Oly NFZ or

In response to the Oly NFZ ordinance: The ordinance did not actually block the transportation of nuclear materials. It allows them to come in through the port, travel down Plum St. and onto the freeway.

Also, this is apples to oranges, a symbolic nuclear free ordinance is, in my mind, not comparable to declaring martial law.

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Everyone should read this a

Everyone should read this article that I found on National Geographic's site. It was printed in the mag in November of 2004.
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The media is going to be allo

The media is going to be allowed in, per CNN: "HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans." Article continued: http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/10/katrina.media/index.html
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This is amazing. Instead of

This is amazing. Instead of just accepting it, the media is actually threatening to sue the gov't. Perhaps we've turned a corner. I was having a conversation with a friend last night about the lessons that the American people have learned over the last five years. Starting with the 2000 election, then 9-11, the 2004 election, and finally Hurricane Katrina. These all, in my mind could be described as national disasters of one form or another. This, of course, is my admittedly biased opinion.

Tragedies happen from time to time and we are not immune to them. The 2000 election was a tragedy not because Bush won and I didn't vote for him. It was a tragedy because it was a failure of our political process. Whether you believe that the Bushies stole the election from Gore with the help of a conservative Supreme Court, or you believe Bush was the rightfull winner of the election, it's a fact that the majority of American voters did not vote for him. Doesn't this expose flaws in our system? Shouldn't the majority be represented no matter what the beliefs of the majority?

This leads to me to 9-11. It happened. On our soil. It was bad. Whether you believe that the Bushies were involved from day one in the planning and execution of the attacks or you believe that they were victims just like the rest of us, there was a breakdown in our system that allowed the PATRIOT Act to be passed without any major dissent and without even being read on the floor. Now, some people say that in times where their security is in question, they are willing to give up some rights if it makes them safer. I see no problem with this. I do have a problem when the same people promising me security via the PATRIOT Act, are changing the name "french" fries to "freedom" fries on the sole grounds that the French had a differing opinion than they did. It doesn't make me feel very secure, considering the fact that I too have differing opinions on issues than this administration does.

Now, the 2004 election is not as big a tragedy as the other events, but it did cause a vast number of people to simply lose hope in their fellow Americans to think and act in the best interest of all, and not just a few.

Hurricane Katrina, the most terrible thing to happen on our soil since the Civil War, was the biggest eye opener of all. The media woke up and people are waking up from a slumber that we've been in since Camelot. How can the Bushies ever tell us that they can protect us again? How can they ever tell the world that they are making it safer. I don't want to dive into the particulars of Katrina Week because thinking about it makes me physically ill, but THIS WAS BAD. People say: "this is not something that you expect to see in America". Well I don't think this is something you expect to see ANYWHERE.

My largest hope as we move out of this tragedy and attempt to go on with our lives is that we don't forget. I'm not talking about the victims, I'm talking about OUR government's response. The sight seeing of Condoleezza Rice and the real estate shopping of Dick Cheney, and the brush clearing of George Bush is what I'm talking about. Let's remember how incompetent Brown and Chertoff were when they actually had to do their jobs, not to mention how they got their jobs in the first place.

Let's remember to hold our leaders accountable so that something like this never happens again. The 2004 election was so terrible because it was as if the American people allowed themselves to be fooled twice. I hope, I believe, that now, finally, people are going to start to migrate out of the dark woods that we have all been living in for decades and demand representitive government. Demand that politicians operate with transparency. Demand that the media hold the government accountable. And, most importantly, vote in the best interest of our fellow citizens.

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Rob, I found the comment "Sho

Rob, I found the comment "Shouldn't the majority be represented no matter what the beliefs of the majority?" to be the most interesting part of your post. I don't think I need to point out what is potentially wrong with this statement. The Electoral College, while certainly not perfect, has (for the most part) done the job it was designed to do. I'm actually a bit torn between the Electoral College and a more representative system similar to, say, the UK or even Mexico.
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I could have clarified my tho

I could have clarified my thoughts a little better. In 2000, had Bush won the popular election, and there had been no evidence of shenanigans in Florida, I would not have been happy. I would, however, have felt OK in knowing that that was the direction that the majority of Americans wanted to go in.

I agree that the electoral college has done the job it was designed to do. I can't help but think, however, that it may be a bit antiquated at this point. I see nothing wrong with revisiting the Electoral Process and updating it for the 21st century. It was established in a time with a much smaller population, and much, much less communication technology. It's purpose at the time, if what I know is true, was to make an even playing field. Those in the wilderness of the western US (from the Mississippi to the Pacific) would have just as much say in choosing a president as those in the more populous east coast. It kept the people who had gone west from being ignored.

With the advent of the television, and especially the internet, this, in my opinion, is not as big of a concern.

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