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Submitted by Rick on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 8:51am.

There is an excellent write up in The Olympian today about the recent activity of the Nazis in the Nortwest. Go read the whole thing.

One important point that Latson makes is that the Olympia police expect that there will be direct confrontation and possibly violence:

Olympia police Cmdr. Tor Bjornstad has met with some of the local groups working on a response to the neo-Nazis. He counsels community members to ignore the group entirely but says he knows it is unlikely that everyone will heed his advice.

"It's just terribly wishful thinking on my part," Bjornstad said.

"I know 100 percent that there's going to be a confrontation of some kind there," he added.

I think Bjornstad underestimates Olympia. It is the expressed goal of the Nazis to draw us into some kind of nasty behavior (I've got the emails to prove it). But we don't have to play that game. We can make our own rules. Humor is the best approach in this situation, and I'm very glad to hear that we're moving forward on that front.

One other very important point: it is crucial at this time for all of the groups planning a response to band together and establish a coordinated plan to include everyone. If, through acting independently, the various response groups don't get everyone involved, we run the risk of there being a group of people at the protest who are not associated in either a coordinated direct action (e.g., ridicule and mockery) or a separate demonstration (e.g., singing, dancing, education, speeches). If the Nazis can draw these unassociated folks in to a confrontation, they will.

I call on the leaders of the response groups to meet , decide together how best to coordinate the different response plans so that they include the maximum number of people, and work hard to publicize the ways that people can join in and participate.

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I wonder if the Olympia Polic

I wonder if the Olympia Police Department would actually be involved? The only big protesting we've had recently were the first two May Day events.

I remember Black Lake Boulevard being tied up all afternoon while our local police agencies watched. Allegedly, the next year they weren't going to let that happen. And then it did...

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The OPD is unlikely to be inv

The OPD is unlikely to be involved in Riot Control aspects, but their detectives had an open case last I checked and were working on IDing the NSM people who were in town on the 22nd January.

I'd expect the WSP to be the primary on this, with OPD doing traffic support and standby. Their (OPD) downtown patrol (Special Operations) and Traffic patrol are the only two units likely to be visible and in uniform.

On the other hand, the WSP will have their special response teams dressed and ready to go. I'll be there for the photo op.

There is already a lot of planning going on, and much of it IS coordinated. But don't assume that an affinity group out there is not going to be directly confrontational, just because we plan our own responses. Diversity of tactics means we have to be aware that someone is going to choose what we chose not to do. We should avoid stopping them, and let them learn their own lessons (or teach us, if their tactics work better than ours).
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Sure. Intentional confrontat

Sure. Intentional confrontation is one thing. The thing I'm concerned about is unintentional confrontation between Nazis and people who get caught up in their hate message. It seems to me that the best way to avoid this kind of altercation (which doesn't do anybody but the Nazis any good) is to make sure everyone is hooked up with a group, and is working intentionally in some way.

So my question is, for those people who are not already in the network, how do they get involved in the action of their choosing?

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Most problems I've seen on te

Most problems I've seen on television from rioting stems from people wearing stuff over their face.

Is this going to be discouraged?

Like the internet, anonymity is both a positive and negative. People feel more free to say what is on their mind, but they are also more free to become part of the Violent Mob.

I'm actually kind of curious to see how all of this will turn out.

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It's funny, how totally separ

It's funny, how totally separate our viewpoints can be on this - when we essentially want the same things.

I don't want the Noxious-E's to be shot and killed, or beaten to death, or forced to defend themselves physically, etc. Ditto for the police who will be there, ditto for the people who will protest against the Nazis. Yet I don't think I would locate the blame for any of these consequences on the masks worn by the Riot Cops.

If you want to blame them for feeling anonymous, don't worry - I'm going to be filming them in detail ahead of any action just so that we can hold them accountable as individuals. They will probably have unit numbers or some name patches or something. Worst case scenario we'll have a series of face pictures we can run through TIA, right?

Meanwhile, the Noxious-E's have posted the photos of people who did not mask up, and have threatened to do so again, and will thus deliberately force many who want to confront them to mask up if they want to remain anonymous. Some have even mentioned that we should consider mask affinity for anyone planning to confront the Noxious-E's whether nonviolent or pacifist or militant, so that we can support a diversity of tactics which widely covers us all. The maskless can rally at Sylvester Park or what have you.

The real unknown in the mix - where the Noxious-E's decide to land. If we advertize a non-confront rally, I bet they will go there deliberately. Maybe.
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That is a good point -- about

That is a good point -- about the Noxious-E's showing up at a different location. What's their status then with respect to the cops and their permit? I guess the cops would just try to stay between the groups?
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Cops will usually say they're

Cops will usually say they're there to "Keep the Peace." Unless they're there to support an eviction, or stop a walkout or a picket line. Then they're more transparently class-oriented toward "keeping the inequalities." That's their real function - make sure the monopoly on sanctioned violence remains theirs, and keep the property in the hands of the powerful.

But don't accuse them of "keeping the violence." We would not want to appear biased, now would we? When they take pictures of people who march in a May Day Parade, that's really the same as taking pictures of folks who openly call for racist violence, yes? And when they attack people who protest on the left, but protect people who protest on the right, that's not bias - that's "keeping the peace."

The Noxious Ones will probably stay in their protest pens, but their non-uniformed supporters will mix it up anywhere they can, because they will not get through the police cordon. Like Orlando.
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Raccoons don't show up in you

Raccoons don't show up in your yard much when you don't feed them.

Unfortunately, there are no shortage of Olympians who persist in setting out raw eggs and calling "here nazinazinazi, here nazi" and then challenging the Nazi to a contest of "who's bigger."

If you persist in feeding them, remember to keep your fingers out of the way.

It's only fun until you pump up the adrenaline and escalate it into someone getting killed.
Oh, but that won't be your fault... You can just keep trying to rationalize away your part in it all... Keep believing... attack anyone who suggests otherwise true believers.

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You're new here. Here's your

You're new here. Here's your one warning: personal attacks will not be tolerated. If you don't have something to offer to the debate, then don't bother. Get your own blog. They're free.

The short version: "Play the ball, not the man."

Now, you might be tempted to say something like: "But what about taunting the Nazis? Those were personal attacks!" Well, the Nazis have posted my name on their "hit" list, so a little mockery is justified. I feel like the Nazis want us to fear them. Well, I think they're hilarious, and if I can inoculate the community from being afraid of a bunch of severly misguided wankers, then it is a public service, ain't it?

Now, to address the 10% of your post which raises a point: people are going to show up to protest. No matter what, folks will be there. If we tell them to stay home, they won't listen. Now, it seems to me that the best approach, for this and many other reasons that you can read about on this and other blogs, is to plan a coordinated response. It is my belief that this approach will result in the least likelihood of violence. If you don't want to join in, offer a suggestion, or make an informative comment, then stay home. I'm tired of the blame the victim b.s.

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I did not attack any person.

I did not attack any person. If you saw anyone in particular in the post, that is not my fault. I named no names. I attacked a point of view- and that is discourse. Unless divergent views are not welcome. Is that the case here?
A point of view is not a person. There is a fundamental difference between attacking a point of view (part and parcel of any argument) and attacking a person.
By your (wide) definition, you just attacked me. I however, do not ascribe to the view that attacking a point of view is a personal attack.

Also, as I said before, counter-protesters are not victims. Calling them such cheapens real victims.

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Do you need me to explain the

Do you need me to explain the meaning of the word "you"? Or can you figure that one out by yourself?

As you may have noticed, there are lots of different opinions here on Olyblog. We seem to get by most of the time without the kind of baiting that you've engaged in. If you need lessons in how to be civil, then don't bother posting.

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"You" in context refers to th

"You" in context refers to the "general" people referred to directly above who feed raccoons and set out food for nazis.
This is called, "reading in context."

Though you have attacked me personally here. Civilized people call your actions "hypocrisy."

I wash my hands of you. You may keep your precious board free of any thoughts or opinions that stray too far from your own.

Please delete my user account.

Hail Victory! Down with unpopular views!

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We seem to be talki

We seem to be talking past each other here. I admit, I did let my buttons get pushed. I'm VERY tired of being blamed for bringing the Nazis here. I'll just say that I don't think we're causing (provoking, enticing, etc) the Nazis to come here, and leave it at that (still p.o.'d about it, I guess).

You are welcome here at Olyblog, where we do, in fact, have a wide diversity of opinion.

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Nazi's Need Hugs - Not Drugs!

Nazi's Need Hugs - Not Drugs!

I wonder how they will respond to ridicule. I know how I would. I would feel hurt, then possibly angry. But certainly, I would feel more alienated than I possibly might have felt before.

What types of behavior might I display in an alienated condition?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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I'm not sure how much it matt

I'm not sure how much it matters to me about how they feel about it. The thing that I think is important is how the community deals with it. I really don't want there to be no structure to the situation. That, I feel, would lead to people being drawn into the anger. However, with a humorous, mocking approach, there is some structure to the response that protects us from the hate, and places their behavior in the proper context -- small-minded nitwits who like to dress up in silly costumes.
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I found this story in the boo

I found this story in the book "Pronoia Is the Antidote For Paranoia" by Rob Brezsny: "Leo Alard was the first Hispanic to become an Episcopalian bishop in the US. His pioneer spirit emerged early on. As a young priest in the 1960's, he headed a racially integrated parish in Cattahoochee, Florida. The bigots of the KKK didn't look favorably on his work, and on one occassion they burned a cross on the church lawn. Alard, who was supervising a youth group on that particular night, brought the class out and had everyone toast marshmallows over the fire." I found this story to be exactly the sort of approach & response being suggested in many of the threads regarding the future rally by NSM.
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Exactly! Better living throu

Exactly! Better living through humor!
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